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[Leo Gura]

@aurum It's a genetic/chemical disorder. The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics.

Maybe yoga might help with it. Unsure. It needs a physiological intervention, not a mindset one.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[aurum]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@aurum It's a genetic/chemical disorder. The protocol is chemical. Anti-psychotics.

Maybe yoga might help with it. Unsure. It needs a physiological intervention, not a mindset one.

Anti-psychotics, yes.

My understanding though is that current anti-psychotics are pretty limited. They genuinely help with the most obvious symptoms, but struggle in other areas.

It seems analogous to taking an SSRI for depression. 

[LifeEnjoyer]

Latest posts reminded me of when I went on a meditation retreat with Roger Gabriel (Deepak Chopra's right hand man(?)) 

I asked him what he thought about "sanity is just an island in an ocean of insanity." (paraphrasing) He said he'd switch the two terms around.

I found him very interesting because he came really close to saying a lot of the things that Leo talks about, just slightly off. Another example was when I asked him what the highest value was and he said Love, True Love... 

He laughed at the idea of using psychedelics.

He also said that there is more to this experience than just this present moment though. I remember asking the question and the lady next to him started shaking her head arrogantly. Lol.

Was my first experience at the feet of the master and it was still pretty powerful overall though.

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, aurum said:

current anti-psychotics are pretty limited.

Because it's a band-aid over a genetic defect.

The real cure is to re-write the genetics.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, LifeEnjoyer said:

He said he'd switch the two terms around.

The number of ways to be broken far outnumber the number of ways to be functional.

Which is why you can't make life by just mixing a bunch of chemicals together in a blender.

Sanity requires near-perfect precision. Madness doesn't.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Michal__]

If you are seriously psychotic psychiatrists will lobotomize you.

I've seen it in my stay at the psychward. 

Even electro shock "therapy" is still legal.

Edited 3 hours ago by Michal__

[cistanche_enjoyer]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If cannabis works on you, test the entire gamut of cannabinoids.

On me it works very well.

So you just tested all the individual cannabinoids? And THC-A is the one working best for you right? How is it different from regular THC?

I live in Germany where regular weed is legal, but individual components are not - not even edibles. I’d have to see how I could isolate them, if it’s even possible.

 

[UnbornTao]

Here we go again conflating altered states of mind with becoming conscious, and making little worldviews out of them. Cool.

[Davino]

7 hours ago, aurum said:

I find the question of how to treat schizophrenic patients fascinating.

If you're a psychiatrist, you cannot just tell your patient to hallucinate a stronger boundary. True or untrue, this is unlikely to be useful advice for them.

So the question is, how would you translate the metaphysical truth (porosity of mind) into some kind of tangible protocol or medicine?

If that protocol already existed and was part of standard of care, then I would expect a lot less people who are suffering from schizophrenia. Which makes me think that protocol does not exist. Or, perhaps such a protocol cannot be sufficiently scaled / standardized at all. 

What would certainly help long term is science realising the true metaphysics of reality. 

The materialist philosophy is not only wrong but has silent victims, one of them is people with mental disorders. As long as the status quo is materialist these people will continue to be misunderstood and solutions will be superficial and based on being functional again, surviving and delivering value again to society.

[Miguel1]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

What would certainly help long term is science realising the true metaphysics of reality. 

The materialist philosophy is not only wrong but has silent victims, one of them is people with mental disorders. As long as the status quo is materialist these people will continue to be misunderstood and solutions will be superficial and based on being functional again, surviving and delivering value again to society.

Yep. So many fundamental problems in our society would receive tools to be solved, if this paradigm shift happened.

But not in our lifetime.

[Miguel1]

Anyone remember this that Leo recommended few months back to clean your ears?