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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@LoneWonderer holy shit. I dated someone who's extended family were all from Zimbabwe. Similar corruption in the police force with similar stories reported by his family. Maybe not to the level you shared....but bad enough!

[gettoefl]

What is fully and completely understood, leaves no trace as memory. ~ JK

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[Sandhu]

6 hours ago, Stick said:

thats just not true. maybe in dictatorships, or religiously fanatical countries .

Not to mention that police in America commits just as many crimes as 'third world countries'  epically ICE

You just don't know man. Hello from Pakistan 

[Stick]

Most of the examples yall have given are a dictatorship though. Similar things also happen to some degree in russia even though it is developed.
What really determines a non-corrupt police is the institutions in the country not the gdp itself. 
Mozambique Zimbabwe and Pakistan are all run militarily through a iron fist. Idk about south africa though.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Stick I don't understand - are you implying a 3rd world country cannot be a dictatorship? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

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This is deep but may I ask more about what mean with " far side of skepticism" ?

Edited 13 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[Stick]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Stick I don't understand - are you implying a 3rd world country cannot be a dictatorship? 

Im saying that corruption in public servents such as police or army mostly happens in dictatorships. third world or not.
Its just that most underdeveloped countries are a dictatorship that we conclude that lack of gdp is causing corruption.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, Stick said:

Im saying that corruption in public servents such as police or army mostly happens in dictatorships. third world or not.
Its just that most underdeveloped countries are a dictatorship that we conclude that lack of gdp is causing corruption.

You define a third world country based just on gdp? 

[Ajay0]

20 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

In India police rape, beat and extort street kids, beggars and low lifes of society. 

On the contrary, the Indian police, in coordination with municipal bodies and the Union Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment, are implementing rehabilitation-focused initiatives to make cities "beggar-free" by 2026.

Key initiatives include the SMILE scheme, rehabilitation homes, the punitive "No Alms" policy in Indore, and welfare programs like Visakhapatnam's "Jyothirgamaya" among many others. 

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/up-front/story/20250210-indores-battle-against-begging-2672876-2025-01-31

https://theprint.in/india/over-1100-beggars-vagabonds-shifted-to-shelter-homes-under-rehabilitation-drive-in-central-delhi/2688557/

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/state-launches-drive-to-rehabilitate-beggars/articleshow/74261460.cms

Mahatma Gandhi, during his stay in South Africa in his youth, developed his non-violent civil rights philosophy and methodology over there in protests against white discriminatory policies against the Indian community there.

This was used by the native african leaders later on to end racial discrimination in white dominated parts of south africa, end the fascist regime and set up a democratic south africa. 

Nobel prize winning african leader Nelson Mandela stated thus on Gandhi...

"The Gandhian influence dominated freedom struggles on the African continent right up to the 1960s because of the power it generated and the unity it forged among the apparently powerless. Nonviolence was the official stance of all major African coalitions, and the South African A.N.C. remained implacably opposed to violence for most of its existence."

At present south africa and India are the original member countries in BRICS. 

The African Union joined as the 21st member at the 2023 G20 summit in India and was officially represented at the 2024 summit in Brazil. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ajay0

[Stick]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You define a third world country based just on gdp? 

'3rd world' is a term from the cold war referring to non western(1st world) and non soviet (2nd world) countries.
Its doesnt have much meaning nowdays but yes, I define undeveloped countries based on just gdp per capita.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Stick I think this might be where your and Leo's difference is - not sure how he defines it?

[Human Mint]

5 hours ago, Stick said:

Im saying that corruption in public servents such as police or army mostly happens in dictatorships. third world or not.
Its just that most underdeveloped countries are a dictatorship that we conclude that lack of gdp is causing corruption.

Not true. Dictatorship or not, there are unhinged police men.

Edited 2 hours ago by Human Mint

[LoneWonderer]

The problems of corruption in third world countries is systemic. A minority elite control all the money and resources of the nation. The rest of the population has to fight and struggle to survive. This is by design btw. The only reason a cop is corrupt is because he doesn't make enough money for his family to survive. I've watched some YT videos of cops in third world nations that when interviewed on the subject they say it how it really is: Nobody likes being corrupt, it hurts their souls every day to extort money from their fellow human beings, but if they don't their children won't eat next month.

And the worst part is there are systems in place that perpetuate this abuse of human beings and cycle of poverty for the majority with only the minority controlling all the resources. Leo has some great books on his updated booklist that go in depth into how these systems of societal abuse perpetuate and get left unchecked for decades and centuries in some cases. It's not a coincidence Africa, India, South America, South East Asia are underdeveloped in contrast to Western Nations such as Australia, EU and USA. How a country organises their systems of governance and political structures will make or break a nation in the long run. Stop blaming the corrupt cop and start asking high quality questions such as why is this cop in this situation? What systems perpetuate cop corruption? Who benefits?

Edited 1 hour ago by LoneWonderer

[Leo Gura]

India is a democracy yet it is corrupt as hell.

Brazil is a democracy yet it is corrupt as hell.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

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