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[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It can't be that way.

This forum cannot be a job for me. It's a place where I let loose and have fun.

I don't get paid for this. Don't forget.

Fair point. 

[LoneWonderer]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It can't be that way.

This forum cannot be a job for me. It's a place where I let loose and have fun.

I don't get paid for this. Don't forget.

@Leo Gura Do you believe you will close down the blog and forum one day you are unable to keep running it such as in the case of illness or death? I can imagine the blog devolving into a cult and breaking factions of ideology in your absence. 

There are so many different viewpoint on here and even with the moderators so many disagreements and hard opinions amongst forum members. 

Edited 6 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Truth as Transparency

This one reminds me of a practice in Ralston's Zen Body-being called 'Inside - Outside' (paraphrasing, I think that is what he called it)

Where you move through your day & interactions as if everyone can hear all your thoughts with total transparency.

Initially it can be frightening, but your mind begins to make slow corrective measures.

My thinking became a lot more soft, and it helped with my ability to apply discernment over judgement.

Powerful process to engage and train integrity.

 

[Lazarus93]

18 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I actually went down the rabbit hole with this guy yesterday. To be honest I do think part of his gimmick is that he sees how much attention he gets for basically doing this “looksmaxxing” meme stuff. He really  leaned into it and just from a marketing / click perspective it sets his videos up so they are kinda funny to watch and go viral due to how ridiculous and outrageous they can get. Apart from that he he’s now grifting a looks course and stuff so he’s able to grift insecure people this way, also it seems a lot of his followers send donations to him to talk to him on his stream. I have no clue why anyone would pay $5 to send this guy a message. The new generation is really so lonely. Apart from all that I don’t think he really cares about red pill or politics. He has 100% leaned into the looks thing and I think wants to run with that gimmick hard. If the trend on that moves on, which it will, he will probably then pivot to being more political or whatever else is popular with young men and incels who spend money on stake us. 

I used to (and still do) frequent the same forum Clav did and watched him way before he blew up when he was a niche YouTuber with under 20,000 subs. He blew up from his collabs with big streamers like Cuffem and Cheesur. They thought it would be funny to get a 'looksmaxer' to roast their friends' looks for content. As such, this exposed him to a way wider audience, which allowed him to get bigger and bigger each stream he did. 

Firstly, he is pretty intelligent and does realize how he can play into his blackpill ideology to gain a lot of money, status, and followers. Keep in mind though, although he is a grifter in one sense, he does genuinely believe in looksmaxing, the blackpill, and hypergamy. He also fully realizes that looksmaxing won't ascend you if you're already too chopped. Trust me, as someone who used to post on that forum a lot, he definitely knows that one needs to already have a good baseline level of attractiveness to softmaxx and hardmaxx. Also, he doesn't really want to get surgery. He larps that he will get a Bimax in Turkey, but obviously he doesn't need it, and keeps saying it because it gives him more virality.

Secondly, the donations thing is just what a lot of streamers get. The streamer reads your message in front of the whole stream if you pay, which obviously is gratifying to a viewer who wants to see how Clav (or any other streamer) will react to their message. 

The main reason he is so big is because the blackpill and lookism is a big thing in our generation. To meet a girl that is your looksmatch nowadays is very hard if not downright impossible for the average male zoomer if they don't already have a good social circle. Keep in mind, most male zoomers don't have a social circle like that. Also, no one really approaches anymore and most people are glued to their phones. The only viable method for most male zoomers is online through dating apps or social media, both of which are hard to meet girls through unless you are already somewhat good looking. As such, a lot of male zoomers have a defeatist attitude because the way society is set up right now does not allow us to meet girls naturally like we could back in high school, and the only way to meet girls for us is to be good looking or high status enough where we can get success online. However, the bar for what is good looking or successful enough shifts daily. This is why approximately 63% of men under 30 in the U.S. were single in 2022, nearly double the 34% rate for women in the same age group. 

And yeah he doesn't really care much about politics. He just cares about being able to say and do whatever he wants, and thinks both parties are corrupt, and that the average person should focus more on things that are in their locus of control rather than politics which they have no voice in.

Edited 5 hours ago by Lazarus93

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Truth as Transparency

This one reminds me of a practice in Ralston's Zen Body-being called 'Inside - Outside' (paraphrasing, I think that is what he called it)

Yeah.

That thing he doesn't talk about is how mankind as a whole is avoiding this, and how it plays into worldwide civilizational corruption.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah.

That thing he doesn't talk about is how mankind as a whole is avoiding this, and how it plays into worldwide civilizational corruption.

Haha, he would dismiss that as all social domain jargon.

It is an interesting thought experiment as a standalone. How much individuation may be lost due to a sort of 'telepathic' transparency? How might our use of language change? It very much touches on dissolving the barriers between us. And sometimes it is those differences that create unique people, personalities. The contrast in individuals is a novel thing for sure. Variety of experience/perspective is tasted this way. Cohesion, integration, truth and integrity would rise up at the cost of individuation. 

God wanted to taste that separation and what rises up between.

Good contemplations  

Edited 5 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Haha, he would dismiss that as all social domain jargon.

He's well aware of how much mankind lies and how immature and corrupt everyone is.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

He's well aware of how much mankind lies and how immature and corrupt everyone is.

For sure!

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/truth-as-transparency

That's scary. But as I read that post, it got me thinking of all the reasons why I got scared.

I have to dwell on that. Thanks for sharing!

Btw @Leo Gura your text posts have been gems from day one. Those are my favorite types of posts. I think many people here would agree. Really appreciate it, throughout the years they got me thinking on all the various topics and ideas that I wouldn't have considered myself, so thanks for that.

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-pickup-lines-work

I also do this intuitively, not only with girls but in general, it comes off as natural and the best ones aren't pre-planned, it's always the ones that are just coming out of me when I'm in a good mood and a fun state of mind. I like to compare it to jazz sometimes. It's spontanious. The ones that are spontanious always get the most positive reactions. You also intuit when to say what, and don't think it through.

One difficulity I have though is with language. My first language isn't English, so I think / speak 99% in my primary language, and I find that all this intuitive spontanious humor / wittiness / cleverness is tied in how intuitive for you is the language you use. So I'm mostly able to do that in my native language, because otherwise it comes a bit to mechanical if it's too custom and sounds cringy. Not the easy ones like "thats what she said", thats a low hanging fruit 

I need to level up my language skills 

Edited 3 hours ago by bazera

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He's well aware of how much mankind lies and how immature and corrupt everyone is.

Respectfully, I'm curious why you seem to be obsessed with how corrupt things are.  It's just a theme with you, and I want to understand.

[gengar]

4 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Thank you Leo, means a lot to have you personally say that. It’s been quite a journey from the unconscious, selfish devil I was in my younger years.

Even in 2020, when I was 25 and just re-bumped into your content again (previous time was squirting video  — imagine the shock in my face tho when I saw you talking about God!), I was deeply delusional and lost in non-dual brainwashing. And the worst part was that I truly believed I had it all figured out! God is truly genius for inventing non-duality!

I can confidently say that this development of mine would not have been possible without your work, and I am just getting started. Wait till I master my survival and get my hands on psychedelics! I will be writing the most profound and beautiful trip reports.

Perhaps you will send me off into the journey with your retreat. That would be quite romantic.

For now, good night ya’ll. I’ll try to catch up with ya tomorrow evening after work ❤️

I must admit that reading this post made me angry, sad and jealous, yet happy that you made it.

I just realized other people have actually made growth even though I have been knowing and consuming Leo's content for almost ten years now. And not only consumed it, but it changed my life, Consciousness, worldview.

I just became painfully clear to me that I am stuck in karmic loops of darkness and desire. I am stuck here in the rat life and this rat city, and I want to be king of the rats. I want to dominate other rats and be loved by rats. 

Lack of social experience due to rejection, medical issues, mental health issues, childhood trauma has stopped my growth. This feeling of wanting to be loved and desired by the opposite sex, but it only being a dream visible in porn, movies, social media, other people's lives feels like absolute torture, although i have become quite numb to it. My heart is dead, I think that is fair to say now. A childhood friend of me died 3 months ago and I couldn't even cry. I haven't cried for a long time, not even when my cousin killed herself 3 years ago. The anger, anxiety and loss of hope made me become so deeply cynical about my life and myself that I have almost no hope at all in myself anymore. I loathe myself.

The paradoxical thing about this is, and whether this had made my situation worse or better I don't know, is that I actually have had some sort of Awakenings in my life. Especially in the start of 2020, when I broke through to realize my Consciousness is the thing that is Absolute, and that it is God. That all forms of the universe are not external objects, but forms inside my own Consciousness. Till to this day, how broken, hopeless and more corrupt I have become, it is painfully obvious to me that this is true. And not in some Buddhist/non-dualist way. But in a enchanted way, always present in the background. I have a deep appreciation for beauty, whether in nature or created things. I recognize that all human art is God doing his work through humans, and that humanity is an artpiece in itself. Walking through the harbors of my city I know I am walking through God's architecture. There is no way around it.

But this love for reality and life makes my disability worse somehow. I would love to just have some experiences with girls, fall in love with eachother, just experience love as an adult for once. I am still a child because I never experienced this. I was never responsible for the others love in a polar relationship between two people. This hurt and lack keeps you as a child forever. You have literally not gone through the qualification of what makes you an adult. Women are the most beautiful creation of God, which is of course my bias as a straight male, but I do recognize that their beauty is the beauty of God and that this is true and not relative or darwinistic. I have a huge lust for life inside of me yet it hurts all the more to not be able to fulfill it.

I am stuck in these karmic loops of resentment and trying to succeed, but becoming more bitter and corrupt as time goes on. I have fallen into various death-driven ideologies, mostly involving resentment against women. Back in 2018 I was driven into Incel/blackpill ideology after feeling betrayed by pickup/RSD promises. You could say it's funny that @Leo Gura was the one who brought me out of it with his "How to get laid" series, where he explicated that looks don't matter that much to women, yet he is now the one who has came around and admitted the blackpill. I feel deep resentment against women and the men who let them free. Isn't it a fact women are hypergamous as hell and reward society being a battlefield of looks, money and status, where corruption and lies blossom, and most men end up with nothing? I know I sound like an incel, but isn't this the empirical truth of what we are now witnessing? A culling of the weak, ugly and poor? I know women don't make this decision out of evil, it is just survival. And who am I to talk, I'm evil myself. Yet isn't it obvious that this system of freedom of sex will lead to so much more death and despair than stricter family systems and arranged marriage? Or at least a culture where those things are seen as good? I feel so fucking ashamed that my parents were able to do what I will never do. Why do women get to slut themselves out with 30 guys before settling down? Isn't it obvious by intuition that this breaks down society, causing men and women to fail their parents and become wretched corrupt creatures, looking only to fulfill their carnal desires?

The thoughts of failing my parents, the thought of their despair after my death is the only thing keeping me from doing it - beside a vague dream of making art about the Love that I have seen beyond the sickness of this world, yet even in it. But my despair is growing and my corrupt, broken hateful self is there evermore. The devil whispers to me almost literally, telling me to follow him into the mountains and throw myself off. I know life is eternal and that there is nothing but my consciousness in the end. The devil is promising me that life will be my creation, a life with desires fulfilled at last.

Or I dream of war, of going out to the battlefield so that I can at least die a manly death. With the wars starting and raging these last months that desire has grown bigger. 

Beside venting, since I have nobody to talk about this to, the reason I'm writing this to you, @Miguel1, is to ask you to contemplate about your freedom of these karmic loops. I think the fact that you are even able to make this growth to the upper levels of life and development, and maybe even sagehood is rested on your foundation of experience of the lower levels. You have gotten laid and were loved and desired. This is no small feat. A lot of this was attributed by your looks and other dispositions. Yet of course you have done a good job yourself and made the proper decisions to pursue Consciousness and selflessness. Kudos to you and I hope you become a sage. If Leo sees your growth that is a good sign since he is a radical ascetic when it comes to a lot of bullshit. 

Just please don't forget the devils like me, stuck in the loops. Sure, maybe I could make it out with some work and create a niche as a hermit somewhere living by the sea, in a house all alone, and reach sagehood that way. Socially i would still be underdeveloped, but it would probably be possible if the economics allowed for it. But to be completely honest I'd rather die. This is not to sound dramatic but to showcase the effect resentment, anger, unfulfilled desire, lack of love and lack of agency in life can do to you. My desire for women and being a man worthy of them is so deep, my self-loathing so vicious. I have given up that my condition will change. But something will change sooner or later, whether I follow the devil or God. I hope all are forgiven.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@gengar I wish you did not have to carry this burden alone - my compassion to you 💔