Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[RendHeaven]

Ok let me get serious and try to steelman you.

sex is typically a negotiation between 2 people's survival agendas.

you're surviving the self, and she's surviving the self, and you both come together and survive together while pretending its pure and benevolent and motivated by goodness and "love" when actually you're just being mutually transactional + in denial of your own self-serving nature

people only have sex to acquire personal benefit. Even the tantric "divine feminine" with her opened heart-chakra, exploring her sexuality and self-expression with no strings attached, cherishing "sacred union" with the "emotional containment" of the "divine masculine" is really just farming positivity which fuels her self-agenda.

In that sense, you can see any and all sex as inherently seducing you away from truth. There WILL be a conflict of interest between what's actually happening VS how you would rather frame the process to maximize self-serving agenda

But then that gets me thinking, what would truthful sex look like? Surely this exists...

I imagine that to have truth and sex at the same time, you just have to be very lucid and transparent about your own incentives to yourself.

As long as you're able to spell out to yourself how you are actively succumbing to self-agenda in real time, you actually do salvage a meager morsel of truth, relative to the version of you who would rather do away with truthseeking entirely.

But even then you're not in the clear because even though you may have seen through your own self-agenda, it's not the case that she has seen through her self-agenda. And it's not your place to deconstruct her agenda on her behalf. In fact, to give her a good time, you have a responsibility to keep her fantasies in-tact. The more you play up the fantasy, the more fun it is for both (but especially her). Good sex is like handling a delicate vase and trying not to accidentally drop it, causing it to shatter into a million pieces. HARSH REALITY kills the game. womp womp.

Ok but surely if you find your super spiritual hot witch wifey, you can both be enlightened together and finally have truthful sex without coy fake dual-agendas

but actually every relationship must, by necessity have at least a little bit of falsehood.

because you're choosing to love a specific person unequally from the rest of reality. You're being awfully selective about your union. You will only unify flesh with that which you are attracted to. Of course, this is not a glitch by any means. You have no obligation to fuck people outside of your category of attraction.

But just notice that you are necessarily using your genitals to carve distinctions that you dare not question (ESPECIALLY if you romantically favor them): "this one here is more special than the others"

you are voting with your actions and there's no denying that your sensemaking is being deliberately skewed as you elect to cherish one person at the cost of all other beings (you having loving tantric sex with your unicorn wife is you NOT having loving tantric sex with an obese woman; an ugly grandma; a MALE; a dog; a donkey; etc.)

It's not that selectiveness is bad. It's that you are grotesquely effective at cherry picking who to unify with. You are happy to NOT love the majority of beings deeply, intimately, and personally. You dare not hold a homelessman or a sewer rat or a cockroach the way you hold your wife. And again, this is not a mistake or a moral judgement. It's just an objective measure of your distance from God.

If you wholly commit to truth, it's not enough to merely acknowledge your biases and then to continue acting them out. At some point, you yearn for unbias so sincerely that you literally cannot bring yourself to discriminate so blatantly with your cock. As you are fucking your unicorn wife, you're almost disappointed in how limited she is - that she is not all beings at once. But this is not her fault, she's not meant to be all beings at once. That's a distinction for MIND to collapse. Ultimately, your method of unification can no longer be your cock. Your cock becomes untenable. The only way to unify all beings into absolute intimacy is pure MIND

there's something deeply human about sex and relationships. by definition it is a biased pursuit that derails the quest for unbias.

It is actually this rich, inescapable bias that is precisely beautiful, but nonetheless false

[CARDOZZO]

Play, Play & Play

 

 

[Schizophonia]

23 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Ok let me get serious and try to steelman you.

sex is typically a negotiation between 2 people's survival agendas.

 

Recently my Chinese-style inflatable doll complained about mistreatment.

I reminded her that without me she'd still be a PVC coil somewhere in a warehouse.

That shut her up.

Edited July 21 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

@RendHeaven You can say the same thing with every pleasure.

Liking éclairs au chocolat is impure because liking éclairs au chocolat is discriminatory and so selfish.

I don't really understand the emotional implications behind this; it sounds like a narcissistic block or something like that.
Even if you're a winner, you can have a narcissistic block and be disgusted by discrimination; even a good-looking guy can be incel; it's just expressed more through projection (onto fat and ugly women, other men with more difficulties, etc.).

Edited July 21 by Schizophonia

[Davino]

Brilliant post on Game Awakening.

Sublime insight and nice revelation on God-Consciousness. Whenever I get into God Mode, answers to long contemplated problems just pop up spontaneously and contemplating feels like having an Infinitely powerful mind cracking through each avenue of the problem, viewing it through every perspective, increasing Consciousness more and more... It's like a fucking anaconda wrapping itself till it cracks the insight like a truth orgasm.

[Davino]

On quote 264, so you've been having fake sex

[ExploringReality]

Wow @Leo Gura that video on your blog of of increasing your feminine was amazing. It made me feel really good in my body listening to her explaining this. What is Feminine? It's a great question. Wow, some insights that occurred to me in my mind is that being feminine is about accepting and flowing with Truth. Not just dry truth, but a living Truth. Not this or that, but this and that!!! It's being fully alive within my body, receiving truth, beauty and love. It's a constant flux of changing energy. It's being open and allowing of reality. It's Maya fully naked and fully comfortable with being. It's so fucking hard for me to explain, but it's not logical in a any logical sense 

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Liking éclairs au chocolat is impure because liking éclairs au chocolat is discriminatory and so selfish.

Yes, actually.

Which is why if you 100% committed to truth, you would have 0 preferences and actually drop dead as you neglect to feed yourself

In that sense, a baseline falsehood is necessary to sustain human life.

Still, the allure of sex is categorically different from your preference for a particular pastry.

Sex dominates your day to day thoughts, unless you're asexual or already having lots of it; Sex is highly personal and emotionally charged. You perceive real stakes. Whether you get to eat your éclair or not is trivial. Having sex with the wrong person, or having no sex at all will drive you crazy. Furthermore, sex invovles complex social dynamics and the coordination of competing agendas, which makes navigation a whole lot more thorny than going to your local french bakery

13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I don't really understand the emotional implications behind this; it sounds like a narcissistic block or something like that.

It's really simple. Are you acting in service of truth or not? That's it.

If you take this inquiry all the way, you realize your entire life is one giant falsehood, and one of the most egregious offenders is your sexuality

To be clear, I barely believe in the things I'm writing. I'm a devil. I choose sex. I'm just following Leo's claims to its ultimate logical conclusion with good faith. Everybody here should be able to do that much.

[RendHeaven]

4 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

Wow @Leo Gura that video on your blog of of increasing your feminine was amazing. It made me feel really good in my body listening to her explaining this. What is Feminine? It's a great question. Wow, some insights that occurred to me in my mind is that being feminine is about accepting and flowing with Truth. Not just dry truth, but a living Truth. Not this or that, but this and that!!! It's being fully alive within my body, receiving truth, beauty and love. It's a constant flux of changing energy. It's being open and allowing of reality. It's Maya fully naked and fully comfortable with being. It's so fucking hard for me to explain, but it's not logical in a any logical sense 

@ExploringReality she literally starts wiggling around as she's explaining lol. peak 

[Princess Arabia]

Leo's explanation of his GAME AWAKENING is superb. Guys, take heed. It's not all, but a big chunk on how females get attracted - genuinely attracted, not for some pay off or reward system, just pure raw attraction.

Why do you think PLAYers get all the play. Pun intended. The mind is a serious and clever self creator. Just calling or perceiving a man to be a player is half the work. The attraction is in the word. 

So when you're coming on here complaining about women and despising the dating scene and blah, blah blahing, while the comedian and the 'play r us' guys are out there getting laid and having a grand ole time, you could be out practicing your playful skills. Practice here by finding humor in your need to blast women or find humor in your seriousness for not getting laid as you'd like and also stop telling me I'm not a man so I won't understand so and so, I understand humor and I understand what makes me feel like wanting to sleep with a man and knowledge has nothing to do with it. The playful sense of the attraction energy is what penetrates all of this existence and how the energies interact and perform this beautiful melodios thing called life. Energy is playing with itself but we're just not laughing.

Thank you Leo for that beautiful post. I can't say enough about it. 

[Eskilon]

51 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Sex dominates your day to day thoughts, unless you're asexual or already having lots of it; Sex is highly personal and emotionally charged

The same can be said about any desire, really. Dont you think that for people who really like alchohol or say chocolates, that the desire to obtain those things doesnt dominates their thoughts? Every desire is personal and emotionally charged, this isnt exclusive to sex.

Theres a way for you to not be dominated by sex, its called: sexual transmutation. You dont need to be asexual or having lots of it in order to not pursue sex like an animal. Furthermore there's an argument for sex being trivial, I bet most males would say to you sex means nothing after you ejaculate, like literally nothing, you feel drained, and in a certain sense, you feel clear.

I would say its really hard to pursue spirituality if you dont have a deep understanding of why you chase sex, and how to transmute/transcend it. Only if you do peak consciousness work(psychedelics) and skip base-line consciousness work(meditation, kriya yoga), because if you do the latter you not be going crazy after sex.

Edited July 21 by Eskilon

[Joshe]

Sooner or later you should outgrow strong desires for sex. After you push your member into a warm wet hole enough times, at some point, the animal disappears, you look down at the penetration point from a metacognitive view and ask: "What am I doing here?".

You don't "need" sex. You need to ejaculate. Ejaculation is more fun with the real thing, but as Eskilon mentioned, once you ejaculate, it's all over. No more magic. It actually feels disgusting to slide my penis out of a vagina I just ejaculated in. And there I am, engaged in what is most likely a petty human relationship, which I now have to tend to because that's the price for what I just received. 

Once sex becomes as common as enjoying a tasty meal, the magic of it diminishes, the same way the magic and pleasure of all things diminish from repeat experience. 

If one were deprived of sex in their early years, hasn't had much of it, and/or has narcissistic tendencies, it makes sense that sex would be a hang up for them. 

Edited July 21 by Joshe

[Nick_98]

I have some questions regarding peter ralston and I hope that someone enlightens me.

Ralston Claimed and Leo recently quoted that you can save 10-20 years of your life learning something if you just get an insight into its nature. 

Ralston claimed that this can be achieved if you seriously contemplate into the nature of something specific. So my questions are, if you really possess this ability to gain insights into different fields of life , and your whole goal in life which I assume is Ralston's goal , is to make people reach that. Why wouldn't you go ahead and prove it to people. In other words I mean. Why isn't Ralston now the best rapper in the world ? Why isn't he the best kickboxer in the world? why isn't he the best Tennis player in the world ? Why isn't he the best table tennis player in the world ? why isn't he the best basketball player in the world ? why isn't he the best Golf Player in the world ? 

What 's stopping him from achieving that. IF I ever possess this ability to get insights into the nature of something , I will do contemplate each day, gain new insights and implement what I learned. and More importantly Prove to people that I'm legitimately a Man with Superpowers. Because I have access to higher intelligence. So my Question is .. Why isn't he proving what he is talking about? Am I missing something here ?

Edited July 21 by Nick_98

[ExploringReality]

@Nick_98

In 1978, he became the first non‑Asian ever to win the World Championship full-contact martial arts tournament held in the Republic of China (Taiwan) .

His martial arts credentials are impressive. By age 20 he had earned black belts in Judo, Jujitsu, and Karate, was the sumo champion of his high school in Japan, and had been Judo and fencing champion at UC Berkeley. He also studied Kempo, Ch’uan Fa, Northern Sil Lum Kung Fu, and later internal arts like Tai Chi, Hsing‑I, and Pa Kua Chang

Go research Peter Ralston and read his books you fluff

Edited July 21 by ExploringReality

[Nick_98]

11 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@Nick_98

Go research Peter Ralston and read his books you fluff

Thanks for your reply. Just to clarify, my goal here is not to underestimate his value or minimize his worth by any chance, I'm just trying to understand Why Not ? 

Why not if you have access to a the higher dimension, the dimension of insights. Is he only successful in one sport ? Why didn't he prove himself in other branches and areas of sports as well. 

The same mechanism that got him an insight into judo , can work to get him an insight into Tennis ? No ? 

If I had this ability I would go subscribe into the tennis world and Beat Nadal, Federer , Djokovic combined just to prove my point that I can have insights into multiple areas of life. 

Again , I might be missing something huge here. But I'm still looking for clarification just to understand. Why didn't he do that ?

[ExploringReality]

@Nick_98

You have limited time as a human. Just because you can generate insights into the nature of something doesn't mean your ego will just get whatever it wants. It's completely immature the way your framing it. You can have amazing insights into any domain, but you must examine your motivations, and why you are doing this. Why would you want to be number one in anything in your case? Why the need to be the best in tennis in your case?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I'm liking the example regarding Ralston and accelerating his career through consciousness work and insight. 

A similar process occured with myself regarding my work in commercial construction. I was pretty deliberate about what I was trying to get out of the insight. He taught me real world physical feedback can be a direct way to verify insight - similar to the Game Awakening. The process transitioned to be 'effortless'

Some of those lectures on YouTube from Ralston, and his books, you can digest over and over and they keep on giving. Not saying he is perfect, but he has had many years to drill down into the topic in his chosen arenas.

 

Edited July 21 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Soul_Guy]

@Leo Gura In your Game Awakening post you say "An insight that even the best pickup coaches do not teach because they do not comprehend its significance."  But I would say this is EXACTLY what Owen Cook teaches. Sure, he probably overcomplicates it sometimes, but all the stuff he talks about is trying to get you out of the logical mind and into a state of play.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Soul_Guy said:

@Leo Gura In your Game Awakening post you say "An insight that even the best pickup coaches do not teach because they do not comprehend its significance."  But I would say this is EXACTLY what Owen Cook teaches. Sure, he probably overcomplicates it sometimes, but all the stuff he talks about is trying to get you out of the logical mind and into a state of play.

He teaches it, but indirectly. I studied Owen's work for years and practiced it. But I still didn't have that play insight without my God-Consciousness.

Of course all great coaches are employing play, but they aren't teaching it that way. I've never heard a coach properly explain the essence of game as I now understand it. They teach techniques and tips.

There is a difference between doing techniques that work vs profoud insight into the totality of a dynamic.

Edited Monday at 10:50 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Nick_98 said:

I have some questions regarding peter ralston and I hope that someone enlightens me.

Ralston Claimed and Leo recently quoted that you can save 10-20 years of your life learning something if you just get an insight into its nature. 

Ralston claimed that this can be achieved if you seriously contemplate into the nature of something specific. So my questions are, if you really possess this ability to gain insights into different fields of life , and your whole goal in life which I assume is Ralston's goal , is to make people reach that. Why wouldn't you go ahead and prove it to people. In other words I mean. Why isn't Ralston now the best rapper in the world ? Why isn't he the best kickboxer in the world? why isn't he the best Tennis player in the world ? Why isn't he the best table tennis player in the world ? why isn't he the best basketball player in the world ? why isn't he the best Golf Player in the world ? 

What 's stopping him from achieving that. IF I ever possess this ability to get insights into the nature of something , I will do contemplate each day, gain new insights and implement what I learned. and More importantly Prove to people that I'm legitimately a Man with Superpowers. Because I have access to higher intelligence. So my Question is .. Why isn't he proving what he is talking about? Am I missing something here ?

There are many practical reasons why.

• Limited time. Masterful insight still requires a lot of time and effort. It's not like you can just to into a new field and have a master level insight right off the bat with no experience.
• Insight alone is not enough, lots of pratice is required to rewire the mind to align with the insight. Training is always required and training is a long process.
• Passion is mandatory for mastery. You won't master a thing you don't care about. Passion and can is very limited.
• When you are as conscious as Ralston you don't care about most human pursuits and you don't care about proving yourself to doubters.
• Being worldclass also requires alignment with genetics, talent, and personality type. Ralston is talented in martial arts, I am talented in philosophy. We would not be talented in basketball or rap. Basketball requires very specific genetics to be worldclass. It also requires a young age.
• Many fields may not benefit much from a master insight. I doubt there is much insight needed for basketball. Basketball is more about raw training.
• Even though I had my insight into game does not make me worldclass at game because I don't enjoy socializing so it doesn't suit me. And I would still need more training.

Insight is not a magic pill.

Edited Monday at 11:04 PM by Leo Gura