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[Leo Gura]

On 7/17/2025 at 4:34 AM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Amish Culture is Survival Unflavored

It's more like Classic flavor

Farmboy fantasy.

You're basically cosplaying as a farmer.

Stardew Valley for people without computers.

Edited July 19 by Leo Gura

[LoneWonderer]

Hey Leo, could you please elaborate a little bit on this latest quote of psychedelic depeception post and after? I didn't really understand what you meant? Could it be that there is self deception prior to taking these substances and that without proper epistemic grounding a post psychedelic trip could be a trap as one tries to piece it together but filters everything through one's biased and incomplete world view, coming to confuse and conflate the trips wisdom with one's personal selfish survival agenda? 

Thanks

[Leo Gura]

@LoneWonderer I would rather leave it up to your interpretation.

Thanks

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[LoneWonderer]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@LoneWonderer I would rather leave it up to your interpretation.

Thanks

@Leo Gura 🫡

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

Hey Leo, could you please elaborate a little bit on this latest quote of psychedelic depeception post and after? I didn't really understand what you meant? Could it be that there is self deception prior to taking these substances and that without proper epistemic grounding a post psychedelic trip could be a trap as one tries to piece it together but filters everything through one's biased and incomplete world view, coming to confuse and conflate the trips wisdom with one's personal selfish survival agenda? 

Thanks

Bro, Albrey Marcus, Mathias Stephano amd many other Infakefluencers did psycadelics, that is proof enogth that even psycadelics will not per se give immunity to self deception. I left the ayahuasca groups because of this, for me to listening the sharings after the nigth started to make me question if I really would like to be around those people. Of course not in a judgment way, but enough to me to see that people or some people are simply using psycadelics to expand their egos and not consciousness. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Leo Gura the JW video was dope. Reminded me long time ago sitted in interview with a Mórmon Bishop confessing having sex with a girl. First time I was ashamed and he made exactly that condescendent thing, next week I confessed I fall into temptation again and he told me to not drink sacrament ( bread and water) third time I confessed and he said: Oh, wait ..you are not repenting, you are repeating the sin over and over again!!

And i said: Well, you know Bishop.. the problem is that I actually like it and I like her, and Saturday we will do it again. And more, for you is easy to make me fell guity about it no? You are married dont you? Dont you like sex ? So yes I am planning to sin saturday so what? 

He made and appointmet to my excomunication. And I accepted with no remorse.. 

Ps: The church never excomunicate me. I thing it was weird for them to have someone gladly accepting it by free will.

[Daniel Balan]

Hi @Leo Gura! Why you say conservatives always lose? Across the world they seem, for now, that they regained their foothold. America has chosen conservative over liberal 2 times now with Donald Trump. Maybe in the long run they lose, but they will still win and regress society from time to time. And why do you say things like tradition or religious fundamentalism being untrue? Maybe I don't understand english that good, but in one of your videos you said that truth is that of which is the case. Tradition is the case for over 50% of the globe and so is religious fundamentalism. They are the case. They exist! Why you say they aren't true? Please explain this to me. I always had a difficult time understanding what you mean when you say something isn't true. Please 🥺

[Daniel Balan]

@Leo GuraPlease explain to me what is falsehood and what is truth? Why for example tradition, conformity, religious fundamentalism, atheism, nazism, fascism are false? And what are the criterias you use to recognize something as false? And viceversa what criterias do you use to recognize something as truthful? This is the biggest hurdle I have encountered when I try to understand your teachings.

You said in the past that atheism is false, but from my direct experience I perceive atheism as being true because it is not rooted in any illusion, no sugar-coated lies are found in atheism, only brutal cold reality. There is no God that looks after our wellbeing, no God to pray to give us a couchy life. I think we both agree that God, even if it exists, doesn't care more for me than it does for an ant.

[ArcticGong]

The actualised quotes are thought provoking and are worth contemplating, however, I see this mistake over and over. Words like “because” and “which”are used for subordinate clauses- to add information about the main subject, and should not be used for main clauses. I felt it was worth pointing out. 
 

A more correct way would look like this. 
 

“No one will bullshit you as effectively as you bullshit yourself, because you automatically believe yourself. 

 

Edited July 19 by ArcticGong
Added an example

[Rafael Thundercat]

@Daniel Balan  you have really a difficult time conecting the dots of Leo work dont you? Or maybe I just have a to good memory that I can remember most of the alerts leo ready gave about conflation,nuance and paradox. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Last post with the giant list of Conservative Lost Cases match with the studies I am doing about Rome Empire,Slavery,Colonialism. 

I think Oswald Spengler Perspective of History have something to add to it. One thing is true about Reality, it is constantly changing and even somehow cyclical.

Conservatives fear change and diversity. Even when Rome started to incorporate Greek traditions adopting their gods and changing names like Zeus becoming Jupiter, Atena -Minerva and others.. there was this guy called Cato the Elder that acted similar to this Americans who dont want to accept diferent cultures for fear of contagion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder

Cato could be a sort of anti-Woke of those times. And looking to his statue I could even imagine his face spiting antagonism about stuff. Hehe

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[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Hi @Leo Gura! Why you say conservatives always lose? Across the world they seem, for now, that they regained their foothold. America has chosen conservative over liberal 2 times now with Donald Trump. Maybe in the long run they lose, but they will still win and regress society from time to time. And why do you say things like tradition or religious fundamentalism being untrue? Maybe I don't understand english that good, but in one of your videos you said that truth is that of which is the case. Tradition is the case for over 50% of the globe and so is religious fundamentalism. They are the case. They exist! Why you say they aren't true? Please explain this to me. I always had a difficult time understanding what you mean when you say something isn't true. Please 🥺

My blog post is self-explanatory.

I think you are somewhat wrapped up in your own view and agenda. But if you drop that for a minute while reading the post, what I wrote will make sense on its own.

Contemplate what point the post was written to make.

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Why for example tradition, conformity, religious fundamentalism, atheism, nazism, fascism are false?

You don't understand why Nazism is false?

Come on man.

Sit down and contemplate why Nazis are false. And as you do that you will have your answer what falsehood is.

[Daniel Balan]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't understand why Nazism is false?

Come on man.

Sit down and contemplate why Nazis are false. And as you do that you will have your answer what falsehood is.

I genuinely don't understand why anything could be false because everything exists, therefore it is the case. That's litteraly your definition of truth. I perfectly understand why nazism is wrong, why it is self deception, why it is devilry. Yeah I contemplated and I came to the conclusion that Nazism is wrong and it is devilry. I simply don't understand why you keep using the word truth and falsehood when you could be using wrong or right. 

To me falsehood is something that isn't grounded in reality. And because the entire continent of Europe followed Hitler into the clutches of death 80 years ago, I do believe Nazism was grounded in reality, therefore it is true, hadn't it been true, no one would have been convinced to adopt the Nazi ideology. To me truth means being a realist, abiding by the laws of maya. Truth = realism, Falsehood = illusion and fantasy 

[Leo Gura]

@Daniel Balan

Nazism is delusion. It is not grounded in reality. Just because it is attractive does not make it true. It is largely fantasy.

Nazism always fails. It always dies. Why?

Think harder.

Consider this: everything that dies is somehow false.

Make a list of every delusional belief held by Nazis.

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/conservatives-always-lose

Conservatism is a defensive strategy, always retreating and never advancing. It is a losing position.

[Daniel Balan]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan

Nazism is delusion. It is not grounded in reality. Just because it is attractive does not make it true. It is largely fantasy.

Nazism always fails. It always dies. Why?

Think harder.

Thanks a lot! I thought that because it has such high traction to people, it must be true. But it has high traction because most folk are deep entrenched within falsehood themselves. 

A few months ago I remember, you said on the forum that conservatives will never realize that wokeness is true, or something similar you said. Why is wokeness true? Because it seeks to create a more equal and fair society? Whereas conservativism is false because it seeks to preserve the corrupt and unequal hierarchical system of the status quo?

[Leo Gura]

@Daniel Balan Why is dominating and marginalizing minorities false?

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[Daniel Balan]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan Why dominating and marginalizing minorities false?

Because Gaia created us with the same right to life as any other being. A larger group of selfish beings that seeks to rule over a less numerous group of slightly different beings is falsehood because it would be like my two arms would try to enslave my left leg. It is falsehood because it seeks division duality and hate, whereas truth represents love and unity.

Thats is as far as I understood from your teachings. Thats the limit of my understanding.

 

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan

Nazism is delusion. It is not grounded in reality. Just because it is attractive does not make it true. It is largely fantasy.

Nazism always fails. It always dies. Why?

Think harder.

Consider this: everything that dies is somehow false.

Make a list of every delusional belief held by Nazis.

Not really. Nazism isn’t that different from the way many societies operated in ancient times. If anything non nazi-esque societies are the aberration.