Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Miguel1]

At the end of the day guys, we all have a deep bias towards survival of our own human body and mind.

Each day we consume countless other life forms selfishly in order to maintain our own form.

And that is healthy.

But how truthful?

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This business of lying for personal gain weakens you. You aren't as effective in the world. Which isn't a moral matter, it is existential. This property is found all around us in material reality. You think you get away with this - but you don't. You don't see the consequences. But they are there. They show up. And being highly conscious will mean you feel the ramifications more than someone who is of a lower consciousness level. You are 'conscious' of the lies effect on your experience of reality. Most people cannot detect and feel this. They are too low consciousness.

You become so conscious lying is anathema to your very existence.

Yep, it comes down to this.

Well articulated!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Miguel1 Thank you

Sad to say I have learned from experience.

I have been an Absolute piece of shit in the past. 

But that person is gone now hay - doesn't exist. Only a long forgotten memory

Only the lessons learned remain.

[Jayson G]

21 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Jayson G Sex is like the most clear example of them all.

@Miguel1 Yeah good point. And you can even replace sex with anything else, and the post still holds well. 

But also after reading his post and something else he said later on the forum, my main insight is that there's falseness all around, but is the core motivator built on truth? 

 

[dualnon]

Something Silicon Valley is either yet to understand, or deliberately disguising is that LLMs are just Experience Machines. It's the difference between Space Mountain at Disneyland and Actual Space Flight. They generate the experience of talking to someone. Thats their core function. Not to provide information or BE intelligent.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I love listening to people send themselves into recursive loops of fear around current LLMs achieving AGI. 

[Meliodas]

@Leo Gura What is the reason for your prediction about AI ? On the sidenote , can AGI ever be achieved with any architecture (i.e. man made architecture ofc) ? The current timelines of AGI vary (because "experts" differ on it) , but most people seem to think it would be achieved soon , if not in 5 years then maybe in 20-30 years . Do you think that these timelines are flexible enough  to allow for AGI to emerge ? 

note : Google and OpenAI have both published that their LLM has made a gold medal performance in the IMO (one of the toughest Olympiad by any standard) , which at least to me seems like a great achievement ! 

 

[Bufo Alvarius]

@Leo Gura out of curiosity, how/where did you find Brittnee Bond? (the girl in the vid from your femininity blog post) 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

@Leo Gura out of curiosity, how/where did you find Brittnee Bond? (the girl in the vid from your femininity blog post) 

I was looking for wacky New Age people. She somehow came up.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

@Leo Gura What is the reason for your prediction about AI ?

Because it is cheating by using the data of the entire world and it still cannot reason properly. More data cannot be the answer.

True AGI cannot be about leveraging human symbolic knowledge. It has to be able to bootstrap itself like a child's mind, with very little data, not the entire internet. A child has AGI and knows very little knowledge.

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

On the sidenote , can AGI ever be achieved with any architecture (i.e. man made architecture ofc) ?

I suspect Yes.

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

The current timelines of AGI vary (because "experts" differ on it) , but most people seem to think it would be achieved soon , if not in 5 years then maybe in 20-30 years . Do you think that these timelines are flexible enough  to allow for AGI to emerge ? 

I predict that within 5 years LLMs will max out and hit a brick wall. Then researchers will be forced to make new discoveries in architecture. How long those new discoveries take is totally unknown.

They could discover a true AGI architecture within 20 years. I am not denying that. I'm merely saying a significant new architecture is needed. One that is not based on brute scale or more data. Cramming in more data cannot be the answer.

[Bufo Alvarius]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was looking for wacky New Age people. She somehow came up.

She does Temple / playparties here in Berlin and Kho Phangan. Funny how this community / her teaching finally reaches your shore. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

She does Temple / playparties here in Berlin and Kho Phangan. Funny how this community / her teaching finally reaches your shore. 

It's a YouTube channel. It reaches everywhere.

[UpperMaster]

Will being less conformist get you less laid? 

[MuadDib]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-266 

LLM scientists have known since 2020. 

Tech bros are a different breed.

 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/my-game-awakening 

Play in and of itself won't attract the feminine.

Consider the running theme in "pickup content" the idea of women "testing" men. Often framed as shit tests. This isn't being done out of malice, as men typically interpret it. Women test men, not for sadistic pleasure (although that certainly does occur), but to FEEL them.
The nuance here is understanding that she wants to empathically FEEL where you are strong, where you are weak and where you show potential internally. 
Through this process, she develops a holistic sense of "you" as a man and will then be attracted to that entire dynamic or not. 
This process takes time for deep attraction to develop, and is facilitated by PLAY over some amount of time. Some elements of play are attractive as she can FEEL within the capacity to play certain qualities that are assets over a man who can't. Either due to insecurities, a lack of attunement, or some other unhealthy limitations, as described, so yes, being able to play is crucial; however, it's not what actually generates attraction.

 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-distinction-of-real-spirituality

Real spirituality facilitates your capacity for developing various integrities and structural reinforcements to your "presence" as a man that can make you very attractive in specific dimensions. Still, the nuanced point that must be groked here is that this isn't about becoming stronger as an ego as pickup subcultures imply ... the feminine can FEEL this subtle (or not so subtle) narcissism. It won't be attracted to it if she's healthy and has integrated a healthy feminine energy, of course.

Also note, if you wanna PLAY all the time, she'll FEEL that you're just a boy, so try not to overdo it. 
But if you're trying too hard not to play, she'll feel that too.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A child has AGI and knows very little knowledge.

A child have Infinity database

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

A child have Infinity database

So does a rock.

[Rafael Thundercat]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So does a rock.

From rock to child is where the mindfuck exists

[Happy Lizard]

@Leo Gura Great last quote about AI! I just feel like it’s so obvious but they keep throwing fuel to that fire hoping it will somehow become eternal. Even Matt Kahn out of all people is now thinking AI is conscious in his last book; It just came out, didn’t read it yet, but just the fact that they put an image of an AI model as an avatar on the book and called it one of the authors weirds me out 

Edited 12 hours ago by Happy Lizard

[JTL]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He teaches it, but indirectly. I studied Owen's work for years and practiced it. But I still didn't have that play insight without my God-Consciousness.

Of course all great coaches are employing play, but they aren't teaching it that way. I've never heard a coach properly explain the essence of game as I now understand it. They teach techniques and tips.

There is a difference between doing techniques that work vs profoud insight into the totality of a dynamic.

@Leo Gura when you say play is the most important aspect of game, does that mean for the attraction phase?  but it is still important to build rapport and close. 

[ryoko]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

More data cannot be the answer.

- Joscha Bach