Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[dualnon]

Something Silicon Valley is either yet to understand, or deliberately disguising is that LLMs are just Experience Machines. It's the difference between Space Mountain at Disneyland and Actual Space Flight. They generate the experience of talking to someone. Thats their core function. Not to provide information or BE intelligent.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I love listening to people send themselves into recursive loops of fear around current LLMs achieving AGI. 

[Bufo Alvarius]

@Leo Gura out of curiosity, how/where did you find Brittnee Bond? (the girl in the vid from your femininity blog post) 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

@Leo Gura out of curiosity, how/where did you find Brittnee Bond? (the girl in the vid from your femininity blog post) 

I was looking for wacky New Age people. She somehow came up.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

@Leo Gura What is the reason for your prediction about AI ?

Because it is cheating by using the data of the entire world and it still cannot reason properly. More data cannot be the answer.

True AGI cannot be about leveraging human symbolic knowledge. It has to be able to bootstrap itself like a child's mind, with very little data, not the entire internet. A child has AGI and knows very little knowledge.

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

On the sidenote , can AGI ever be achieved with any architecture (i.e. man made architecture ofc) ?

I suspect Yes.

1 hour ago, Meliodas said:

The current timelines of AGI vary (because "experts" differ on it) , but most people seem to think it would be achieved soon , if not in 5 years then maybe in 20-30 years . Do you think that these timelines are flexible enough  to allow for AGI to emerge ? 

I predict that within 5 years LLMs will max out and hit a brick wall. Then researchers will be forced to make new discoveries in architecture. How long those new discoveries take is totally unknown.

They could discover a true AGI architecture within 20 years. I am not denying that. I'm merely saying a significant new architecture is needed. One that is not based on brute scale or more data. Cramming in more data cannot be the answer.

[Bufo Alvarius]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was looking for wacky New Age people. She somehow came up.

She does Temple / playparties here in Berlin and Kho Phangan. Funny how this community / her teaching finally reaches your shore. 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Bufo Alvarius said:

She does Temple / playparties here in Berlin and Kho Phangan. Funny how this community / her teaching finally reaches your shore. 

It's a YouTube channel. It reaches everywhere.

[UpperMaster]

Will being less conformist get you less laid? 

[MuadDib]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-266 

LLM scientists have known since 2020. 

Tech bros are a different breed.

 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/my-game-awakening 

Play in and of itself won't attract the feminine.

Consider the running theme in "pickup content" the idea of women "testing" men. Often framed as shit tests. This isn't being done out of malice, as men typically interpret it. Women test men, not for sadistic pleasure (although that certainly does occur), but to FEEL them.
The nuance here is understanding that she wants to empathically FEEL where you are strong, where you are weak and where you show potential internally. 
Through this process, she develops a holistic sense of "you" as a man and will then be attracted to that entire dynamic or not. 
This process takes time for deep attraction to develop, and is facilitated by PLAY over some amount of time. Some elements of play are attractive as she can FEEL within the capacity to play certain qualities that are assets over a man who can't. Either due to insecurities, a lack of attunement, or some other unhealthy limitations, as described, so yes, being able to play is crucial; however, it's not what actually generates attraction.

 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-distinction-of-real-spirituality

Real spirituality facilitates your capacity for developing various integrities and structural reinforcements to your "presence" as a man that can make you very attractive in specific dimensions. Still, the nuanced point that must be groked here is that this isn't about becoming stronger as an ego as pickup subcultures imply ... the feminine can FEEL this subtle (or not so subtle) narcissism. It won't be attracted to it if she's healthy and has integrated a healthy feminine energy, of course.

Also note, if you wanna PLAY all the time, she'll FEEL that you're just a boy, so try not to overdo it. 
But if you're trying too hard not to play, she'll feel that too.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

A child has AGI and knows very little knowledge.

A child have Infinity database

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

A child have Infinity database

So does a rock.

[Rafael Thundercat]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So does a rock.

From rock to child is where the mindfuck exists

[Happy Lizard]

@Leo Gura Great last quote about AI! I just feel like it’s so obvious but they keep throwing fuel to that fire hoping it will somehow become eternal. Even Matt Kahn out of all people is now thinking AI is conscious in his last book; It just came out, didn’t read it yet, but just the fact that they put an image of an AI model as an avatar on the book and called it one of the authors weirds me out 

Edited July 22, 2025 by Happy Lizard

[JTL]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He teaches it, but indirectly. I studied Owen's work for years and practiced it. But I still didn't have that play insight without my God-Consciousness.

Of course all great coaches are employing play, but they aren't teaching it that way. I've never heard a coach properly explain the essence of game as I now understand it. They teach techniques and tips.

There is a difference between doing techniques that work vs profoud insight into the totality of a dynamic.

@Leo Gura when you say play is the most important aspect of game, does that mean for the attraction phase?  but it is still important to build rapport and close. 

[ryoko]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

More data cannot be the answer.

- Joscha Bach

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, JTL said:

@Leo Gura when you say play is the most important aspect of game, does that mean for the attraction phase?  but it is still important to build rapport and close. 

Play through till close.

Play doesn't contradict rapport.

[TheBeautyOfGod]

@Leo GuraYou often use the term "beauty," yet you've never explored it in depth. I even get the impression that beauty plays a central role for you – alongside the ontology of truth and love. And still, you've never addressed it. Why is it that someone like you, who holds absolute beauty in the highest reverence, has never spoken about it?

Edited July 22, 2025 by TheBeautyOfGod

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Also I was wondering why Leo’s metaphysics playlist is missing the video “What is Beauty”  

[CosmicExplorer]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because it is cheating by using the data of the entire world and it still cannot reason properly. More data cannot be the answer.

True AGI cannot be about leveraging human symbolic knowledge. It has to be able to bootstrap itself like a child's mind, with very little data, not the entire internet.

ARC-AGI-3 benchmark is made to test AI in something like that, and currently it's doing horrible in it compared to humans.

Edited July 22, 2025 by CosmicExplorer

[Schizophonia]

On 21/07/2025 at 5:56 PM, RendHeaven said:

Yes, actually.

Which is why if you 100% committed to truth, you would have 0 preferences and actually drop dead as you neglect to feed yourself

In that sense, a baseline falsehood is necessary to sustain human life.

Still, the allure of sex is categorically different from your preference for a particular pastry.

Sex dominates your day to day thoughts, unless you're asexual or already having lots of it; Sex is highly personal and emotionally charged. You perceive real stakes. Whether you get to eat your éclair or not is trivial. Having sex with the wrong person, or having no sex at all will drive you crazy. Furthermore, sex invovles complex social dynamics and the coordination of competing agendas, which makes navigation a whole lot more thorny than going to your local french bakery

It's really simple. Are you acting in service of truth or not? That's it.

If you take this inquiry all the way, you realize your entire life is one giant falsehood, and one of the most egregious offenders is your sexuality

To be clear, I barely believe in the things I'm writing. I'm a devil. I choose sex. I'm just following Leo's claims to its ultimate logical conclusion with good faith. Everybody here should be able to do that much.

I know I'm in a play, but I'm still acting, it's just that now I know it's a game.

That's what my mentor once said to a listener; she had lost her motivation because of spirituality.
He replied something like, "It unlocks when you understand so much that there's nowhere else to go that it becomes sensible to start doing things again because suddenly it's just "for fun," for free.

He doesn't see the point of remaining in being/dissolution; he compares it to a flat electroencephalogram (EEG), and that if there were something fundamentally more interesting about being there, we would already be there.