Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[kbone]

2 hours ago, Space said:

1- I feel like people need to be slowly coaxed into this type of understanding. The vast majority of people will not understand or want to accept the Actuality video. Some because of close-mindedness, but many, I think, from a lack of broader understanding.

2- The materialist paradigm runs so deep in people's minds, one video isn't going to break it. It's not about stubbornness, its that the truth is so far away from most people's model of reality that it seems ridiculous to even talk about it. It's just ignorance.

3- If your friend was forced to watch Leo's entire back catalogue of videos, she would have a much more nuanced, deeper understanding of the Actuality video. You ain't gonna convince someone the room they're standing in doesn't exist when they close their eyes, with just one video.

That’s a thoughtful post. Here’s a take on the points you’ve presented.

1- With respect to existential questions and the search for their answers, there are two interesting schools of life: the School of Necessity and the School of Futility. People will not seek to find an answer without the necessitated question at hand, which emerges within the mind and grabs the attention. Due to any number of biases, mostly cognitive and/or socio-cultural, one’s individuated consciousness is attenuated to projected likely ‘answers’, desired outcomes, or probabilities. 

2- Inconsideration of the above, yes, most peeps’ world views are formed by the ‘outward’ environment, the appearing world. The cognitive and the socio-cultural biases inform one another until a certain stimulus necessitates the search for a ‘new answer’ and/or revision of a previous one. Therefore, if one has grown up in a culture (family, media, social circles, school. etc) that is dominated by say, the scientific-materialist paradigm, many or most of the so called acceptable ‘answers’ are going to appeal to that world view. All good….. Until it’s not. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

3- In culturo-linguistic fields, this is called immersion. And yes, the more one is immersed in a new paradigm, the more one is likely to get a sense for, adapt to, and accept the validity of said paradigm. That said, this all with respect to cognition, language, and social settings. This message board is an example of one such paradigm. 

 

Note: Some of what Leo is on and on about is learnable, so he considers himself a teacher of it. The material is all researchable on the web and subjectively valid and/or experienced, subject to prioritization, re-organizable, revisable, etc. As with all knowledge, it is impermanent, subject to entropy, and changes.

When it comes to Truth, which he claims to have apprehended, one must understand that it is NOT teachable, as it is not learnable or cognizable. It is not a thing. It cannot be researched, revised, or restructured. IT must be Realized. 

• Many will exhaust their mind’s faculties in the effort of seeking to learn more about it, and die, perhaps with some degree of knowledge of the metaphysical, high end physics or ‘spirituality’, and the like, but will never apprehend IT. With any luck, they will fall to their knees, and in that moment of surrender, get a glimpse of, or perhaps a full on apprehension of Truth will emerge, but no one knows when/if. This often takes the form of inquiry into the nature of reality and/or the nature of the self.
• Many others will go the other route of seeking to subdue or subvert the mind via meditation and other practices, or take drugs (some of them purddy wild, to be sure), and woo woo experiences abound. All of this is done in efforts to create different mind states in which one might get glimpses or experience transcendental states, which come and go. As with any practice or effort, there's always the potential for failure, and with Truth, it is actually quite high, because the mind is that quick and sneaky. After the oceanic feeling, mind-blowing experience, woo woo, or otherworldly event has subsided, the mind kicks in with all sorts of ‘new’ theories and/or expressions meant to clarify what was seen, experienced, or understood.
• Typically what happens is that the essence of any potential depth of ‘experience’ gets, shall we say, corrupted by the momentum of the dominant paradigm of one’s mind/thinking. As with all trial and error phases in life, many give up and/or find their own comfy spot. That's fine; it's just hasn't found what it was looking for. One rarely notices or fully realizes the Absence giving rise to the sense of presence, or the Nothingness giving rise to Everything, the Absolute that gives rise to the relative, etc. Lots of ways to express the journey and/or the clarity. As one immerses the attention in Truth, it continues to inform the mind of its limited capacity for which it is mostly a tool to be used in the world.

 

But that’s the catch; states (which come and go) are always about mind, which changes. What comes and goes is NOT abiding non-dual Awareness of/as Truth: Peace, Freedom, Love, Beauty, the Good....right HERE, right NOW.

And IT's ALL GOOD.

[Anton Rogachevski]

6 hours ago, Nemra said:

For you to be able to go from 0 to 1, there need to be infinite steps between them.

When you go from A to B, you are taking infinite steps by one step at a time.

So, the race is actually infinite, but when we only take countable steps into account, then it seems finite.

In order for there to be "steps" you need to imagine them first.

[Nemra]

34 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

In order for there to be "steps" you need to imagine them first.

If by saying that "you imagine them" you mean they don't exist, then I would say you are just ignoring the steps that exist inside each step you take.

You can divide infinitely.

Edited June 11 by Nemra

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Nemra "Division" is an idea you can't actually do that, only imagine you are doing it. Leo's explaining it thoroughly in the last video about proving God.

Edited June 11 by Anton Rogachevski

[Nemra]

7 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Nemra "Division" is an idea you can't actually do that, only imagine you are doing it.

Leo's explaining it thoroughly in the last video about proving God.

If I weren't able to do division, then numbers wouldn't have existed.

I don't think Leo meant what you are saying now.

Edited June 11 by Nemra

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Nemra Do numbers exist? What does it mean for them to exist? Where do they exist?

[Anton Rogachevski]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I can guide you to God.

You can guide God back to itself? That would be something : )

Leo, I really hope you didn't take offence. I'm an avid follower and a huge fan of your work for over 10 years. I write these things out of deep care. I truly hope you're doing well—and that others continue to find in your work the same deep inspiration that I have. So thank you for all the work and the dedication.

For a long time I have struggled with just simple sanity, and now I've come to really appreciate it, so I'm focused on getting to the highest possible sanity. I'm afraid Enlightenment work is possibly entangled with some insanity, so I just want people to be more cautious.

Edited June 11 by Anton Rogachevski

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Nemra Do numbers exist? What does it mean for them to exist? Where do they exist?

Well, numbers exist because there are distinctions between objects. By object I don't mean an independently existing thing from my experience.

[Spiral Wizard]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Look dude. I figured all this out. I solved all those issues.

You would be wise to actually take what I say seriously rather than thinking you're too cool for school.

I can guide you to God. But you refuse.

I know. When is your course about that coming? 

I guess it’s going to drop when I as the Godhead decides it’s time for this incarnation to return to the singularity 😂

 

On my recent LSD trip I was pretty sure I as the Godhead made you up to awaken myself from the dream and eventually fully realize myself. 

I have the suspicion that I might end up leaving this body one day in good part because of your teachings! 

Your teachings are dangerous to my ego, Leo. Like a gun aiming at me behind the curtain. One teaching & trip too much and the curtain opens. But as the curtain opens, I realize, it was never you, it was always just myself.
 

The ultimate God kill-switch  

 

Edited June 11 by Spiral Wizard

[aurum]

Self-deception is such a super-truth.

Layers, layers and more layers.

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura thanks for explaining oneness  with pictures. Some people here are more visual oriented. More of that plz.

[AION]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura thanks for explaining oneness  with pictures. Some people here are more visual oriented. More of that plz.

When I first looked at it, I thought they were letters of the Quran

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, we are like the baby birds below. 😂

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, what does it feel like to be an infinite singularity?

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, what does it feel like to be an infinite singularity?

Awesome but freaky and lonely.

[Rafael Thundercat]

So, based on the late post from Leo where we see a meme of a man fucking a woman that end up being his own mind, everytime I fucked a girl in my life I was actually having a mindfuck. We are having mindfucks since the down of times and people still belive mindfucks are woo woo. 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

everytime I fucked a girl in my life I was actually having a mindfuck

There is an even deeper mindfuck where you realize that you are hallucinating all your past mindfucks.

You are hallucinating every girl you fucked.

Edited Thursday at 08:45 PM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Awesome but freaky and lonely.

😯

How did you become it? Did it happen suddenly?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

😯

How did you become it? Did it happen suddenly?

It's not going to happen organically.

Massive dose of 5-MeO-DMT needed.

[Vynce]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There is an even deeper mindfuck where you realize that you are hallucinating all your past mindfucks.

Thats the craziest thing. It gets you every time.