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[Santiago Ram]

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Spirituality is the prefect excuse to avoid responsibility and not do any genuine work.

Many people die without having lived with responsibility.

I have seen God, would be pretty stupid to lie about this, but I cant keep the visión because Im not responsible.

I dont know which Bible passage, which of your videos or posts, which Self Help book, which Nootropic or which Spiritual Guide, therapist, Shaman or Priest Will give It to me.

I have spent Many years looking for the Key to Self control.

Years.

 

[Santiago Ram]

I have been in therapy and Clinics for a decade Now.

I know 12 step programa, some philosophy AND psychology AND many things make sense.

Learning, decisión making, creativity, Spirituality, trauma healing, but Self control ...

Where?

Edited Sunday at 09:57 PM by Santiago Ram

[Santiago Ram]

I know you answered this before, so It might be redundant.

But really, I have found Truth in Many other domains.

Why cant I find the Truth of Self Control AND responsability? Where should I even look?

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

If the pursuit of truth removes corruption and delusion, is it also the case that the pursuit of removing corruption is sort of a path of truth? 

Yes. Although in practice it will be quite indirect. It's hard to remove corruption without already knowing truth because you don't even understand what corruption is or where it comes from.

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

What I mean is that if questioning reality even a bit triggers trauma, etc. .. is a path to truth removing trauma, fear, negative emotions, improving mental health, physical health, building ones life, etc. I'm a lot better at journaling my corruption and purging that, but can I consciously take that as a path to truth until I'm more receptive again to a higher quality path to Truth? 

Building yourself up emotionally is good and important for truth-seeking. So yes, something like therapy will help you handle truth in the future.

But nothing replaces love of truth for its own sake. Truth should be pursued for its own sake, once you are strong enough.

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

And do you just mean absolute truth, or is your idea of Truth very holistic, multi-perspective, encompassing direct and indirect paths, etc.? 

It's good to view it both ways. Absolute and relative truth are both important. Figuring out relative truths helps with ultimately reaching absolute Truth.

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

Also, I hope you can answer this also very specifically: one of the greatest joys I get is tapping into infinite creativity, in my own way, within my life purpose, and I fundamentally feel more holistic, less fearful, more connected to life, etc. In other words, a lot more conscious when I'm really applying myself creativity. How does something like that fit with in with Truth?

The connection is quite loose and mostly one way. That means being highly creative will not get you much closer to truth, but getting closer to truth will boost your creativity.

Truth requires direct pursuit. But creativity and art is great stuff so I'm not suggesting you quit that.

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

I guess if I had to boil all this down into what I'm really asking here, is that if there's room in the pursuit of Truth to be strategic in how you go about it, as the path to Truth. Like there's more than one way to climb a mountain sort of thing, even if its indirect, you can still be climbing that mountain, whatever resonates, whatever feels fitting and is doable, etc.

Sure, there is much room for customizing your path. But you want to be careful not to kid yourself. Most human activity has nothing to do with truth-seeking.

Just doing whatever resonates is probably not you far towards truth unless you really love truth.

If love of truth is present in you then following what resonates works.

You gotta love the right things! If you love Satan then following your love is not so great.

36 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

Sometimes I get the sense that when you talk about Truth you mean either a) "all this work of actualized.org as the path which is super holistic", but sometimes I get the sense you mean b) "yeah you'll do all this actualized.org work but really you need to be pursuing absolute truth very directly very often"

 Both.

[Santiago Ram]

Maybe you cant tell me what the 'Key' to Self Control Is, but if I want to Learn the Truth about It:

What should I study? Where should I look?

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Am I being hypocritical if I want to be truthful and at the same time I would lie to or hide the truth from a person who follows some groupthink and couldn't care less about truth, and telling them the truth would hurt my survival too much?

@Keryo Koffa, what if I cannot just shut up?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know that they shouldn't. But they should be extra careful and clear-eyed. But of course they won't be.

I'll rewind my initial statement and agree with that. I can't know what is good for the person or not. Shit, I keep getting caught up in believing that! Lovely arrogance there. 

I was broken as fuck and already immersed in spirituality due to upbringing. I didn't have much choice.

Being fundamentally unhealed and embarking on that path - you bring unconscious beliefs into the mix. 

 

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

The funny thing is that everyone who kisses the ring of the mayor and the priests in my village, always have business opportunities available, are given construction projects in the nearby cities that have a very big pay at the end, while people who don't lick the asses of the priests and mayor barely have any business and work opportunities!

Of course. That's how all politics works. Society has worked this way since the dawn of time. The purpose of most politics is to get rich by getting special treatment for your friends at the expense of the general public. The party in power serves it own small in-group at the expense of everyone else. This is the essence of corruption: self-bias.

Edited yesterday at 05:19 AM by Leo Gura

[Santiago Ram]

Well anyone, which domains of knowledge would give me the Truth of Self control

1. Spirituality

2. Holy Scriptures

3. Interviewing Holy Men

4. Biology AND Medicine

5. Success, State orange Self help (have studied quite a few of this AND Im tired, but if you have nice, Good books or speakers, tell me)

6. Chemistry

7. Spiral dynamics AND holistic mental models

8. Interviewing anomalías like paralympic athletes or 'Stupid' Geniuses

9. Psychoanalysis or psychotherapy

Or Any other Domains of Knowledge, better 

Just tell me WHERE to look

Edited Sunday at 10:19 PM by Santiago Ram

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. That's how all politics works. Society had worked this way since the dawn of time. The purpose of most politics is to get rich by getting special treatment for your friends at the expense of the general public. The party in power serves it own small in-group at the expense of everyone else. This is the essense of corruption: self-bias.

Thats why I decided recently that I will no longer care about politics whatsoever! Regardless for which party I vote for, the only thing that changes is the group of people who has access to all the goodies at the expense of the masses. In the end the masses are milked dry regardless, the only thing that changes is the group or the party that is doing the milking! And even if I vote for a honest, clean, non corrupt figure, and he gets elected he will be booted, sabotaged, dragged in the mud and being rendered useless. Bottom line is that 21 century politics are a waste of time. The citizenry is far too backward, corrupt, power and money hungry, for any tier 2 non corrupt politician or party to be voted  into power and change something. For politics to be not corrupted, we would need to replace all people in soiety with integrous, non corrupt people! Something that could naturally happen by the 100th century, 21 century is truly the dark ages!

Edited Sunday at 10:25 PM by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

@Santiago Ram I don't think you will find any "truth of self-control". Just discipline yourself to follow your values. That's it. There's no magic trick. When you see a slice of pizza your tell yoursrelf NO. And you obey. Because it violates your values.

[Leo Gura]

@Daniel Balan You can still vote for the less corrupt party/guy. That takes so little effort and time.

Beyond that, obsessing over politics is a bad idea unless your job is to be an activist.

[Daniel Balan]

And even if a good, integrous, non corrupt party is voted into power, it will quickly become corrupt and would allow the corrupt dynamics of milking the masses dry for the benefit of the influent people across society! If the party would hold its non corrupt standards it will be immediately ousted from power by the influent people in society, because those people will not accept being stripped of their birth right to exploit and steal from the general public. You either facilitate the influent people to hoard wealth or you get ousted. The parties that currently hold power are just the facade for the real powerful people, whom are scattered in every village, every city across the country! They are the ones that hold the real power! The local boyards, not the central party leaders.

Edited Sunday at 10:32 PM by Daniel Balan

[Daniel Balan]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan You can still vote for the less corrupt party/guy. That takes so little effort and time.

Beyond that, obsessing over politics is a bad idea unless your job is to be an activist.

You are completely right! Thank you for your responses! They help me a lot! God bless!

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan You can still vote for the less corrupt party/guy. That takes so little effort and time.

Beyond that, obsessing over politics is a bad idea unless your job is to be an activist.

The point I was trying to make is the following. Even if you would be given absolute dictatorial powers in lets say Russia or America, you wouldn't be able to change anything. The citizenry is far too corrupt and power hungry to allow a high integrity, non corrupt leader to rule over them. You would be ousted from power in less than a month. 

You either allow as a ruling party or leader the exploatation of the masses and the hoarding of wealth for the local boyards and their friends in every city or village across the country or you will be ousted. Thats 21th century politics in a nutshell.

Edited Sunday at 10:41 PM by Daniel Balan

[Daniel Balan]

Lets give the example of Putin! Even if tomorrow morning he would wake up as the most integrous non corrupt person on earth.. he won't be capable of changing for the better anything in Russia! If he would upset even in the slightest, the interests of the oligarcs in Russia, he would be the one falling from a window. He is just the front cover! The mob of oligarcs and all their friends are the real rullers, the central leader is always just the puppet of the malign interests of those who backed him into power.

[Santiago Ram]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Santiago Ram I don't think you will find any "truth of self-control". Just discipline yourself to follow your values. That's it. There's no magic trick. When you see a slice of pizza your tell yoursrelf NO. And you obey. Because it violates your values.

Thank You VERY much.

[Matthew 16:24-25]

 Then Jesus told his disciples,

> “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.”

Many languages, all pointing to same Truth.

Edited Sunday at 11:57 PM by Santiago Ram

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura appreciate all those insights very much .. I always find that they always help me get unstuck even when I didn't even realize I was stuck. 

I'll contemplate and integrate these points. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Santiago Ram You might find that discipline will come without force when you really find the truth of what you value and go after it.

If you are having trouble applying yourself to something, it means there is no joy or pleasure in the process.

Discipline becomes the pleasure when you pursue meaning.

That meaning has to be found, and when it is - you unlock the power to be a discipline machine 

If you still cannot attend to agendas with discipline, you will need to probe deeper as there is a truth unrevealed. It is a big signal you need to enquire further within.

For example, I was a lazy POS for a lot of my life. Shortcuts. Path of least resistance. At the truth of it was; I was quite nihilistic behind it all. Nothing had meaning, so I lacked all discipline. You find your meaning, and even just doing the dishes isn't a chore. Because if you do those dishes, your mind won't dwell on it. You will have the dishes ready for the next meal. Because you need to have shit ready for when you require it, so you can commit with all you got to the meaning you are pursuing. You don't want thoughts like 'I didn't do the dishes' sprouting in your mind to interrupt your process.

[Puer Aeternus]

5 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Lets give the example of Putin! Even if tomorrow morning he would wake up as the most integrous non corrupt person on earth.. he won't be capable of changing for the better anything in Russia! If he would upset even in the slightest, the interests of the oligarcs in Russia, he would be the one falling from a window.

@Daniel Balan I mean you're cooking but also leaving it in the oven a lil too long.

The ice ain't that thin- They ain't firing his ass just over a lil slippy uppy. Just like your boss probably wouldn't fire you if he caught ya scarfing down on his red velvet cake slice in the company break room.

Nothing for the better? My half filled glass stays on half empty but even this is to cynical for me. Of course things can be made better in a corrupt system. Sometimes a W for the commoners overlaps with a W for the elites. 

And certainly, there's exceptions where leaders have gotten away with lots of stuff. But generally what you said is important, do it to em Daniel!