Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Santiago Ram]

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 The whole point of spirituality is to disconnect yourself from human community, which is society as large. 

@Leo Gura I agree. And I dont defend cults. And what I Will say might sound arrogant but:

What if you are the most epistemically sound person in the Group?

Im talking about AA Clinics AND addiction support groups which are mostly full of BS.

The wisest decision would be to be their leader AND distancie yourself from them as much as possible.

Public speaking can be a Way to raise Consciousness. Both your own and others. But I agree, you should not be part of the herd.

I do want to help. I love attention and Prestige but Im not a monster, I like helping people and see them improve.

I care about communicating Truth 

Edited Sunday at 08:23 AM by Santiago Ram

[Hayato]

"But how is it possible that science is foundationally groundless yet science still produces results and technology? Well, that’s a serious trick, indeed, which I don’t have time or space to explain here."

 

Sounds like a new video

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Santiago Ram said:

Im talking about AA Clinics AND addiction support groups which aré mostly full of BS.

People in such groups are incapable of serious truth-seeking. Such people need to first resolve their addiction problems through social support before they try to undertake the advanced pursuit of transcending human-kind.

Truth-seeking is the most advanced pursuit. It is not for broken people. You don't tell a child to survive on his own in the forest. Surviving alone in the forest is for hardcore, serious, capable people.

Edited Sunday at 08:26 AM by Leo Gura

[Santiago Ram]

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Truth-seeking is the most advanced pursuit. It is not for broken people

But Leo

Broken people need Spirituality the MOST.

Imagine their lives without It...

"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick" [Luke 5:31]

Edited Sunday at 08:36 AM by Santiago Ram

[Santiago Ram]

@Leo Gura Of course you don't like Christianity. It Is the religión of the incapable and the poor.

Perhaps It Is the only Path to God for the Victims, but capable people wouldnt make It with the teachings of Christ. Only the poor in Spirit.

But It doesnt mean It Is false or doesnt Work for everyone.

However your Work Is Great because It gives Christians the Metaphysical background they often lack.

Edited Sunday at 08:54 AM by Santiago Ram

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Santiago Ram said:

But Leo

Broken people need Spirituality the MOST.

Too bad. They can't handle it.

First finish high school before you enter grad school.

Broken people who enter spirituality end up corrupting it and turning it into toxic delusional shit.

Edited Sunday at 09:34 AM by Leo Gura

[AION]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Too bad. They can't handle it.

First finish high school before you enter grad school.

Broken people who enter spirituality end up corrupting it and turning it into toxic delusional shit.

People who are not broken don’t wander into spirituality in the first place lol

[r0ckyreed]

56 minutes ago, AION said:

People who are not broken don’t wander into spirituality in the first place lol

Not true. Look up Maslows hierarchy of needs.

[zurew]

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Get this: the question of whether science is superior to witchcraft cannot be resolved using science! It must be resolved using something higher. This point is not understood by almost anyone!

The "its not understood by almost anyone" doesn't say much, because most people dont study phil of science, but people who do , this point doesnt say anything novel to them.

Its like saying people who dont study quantum physics dont understand this x point about quantum physics. Okay, but what supposed to be interesting about that? Why not debate and concentrate on the views of experts who study philosophy of science and epistemology?

If you want to signal how intelligent you are , then why not pick on people who are experts in the field you are trying to criticize?

 

"Get owned scientists and rationalists who dont study any philosophy at all , see how intelligent I am?!"

Edited Sunday at 02:51 PM by zurew

[Daniel Balan]

Hi @Leo Gura! Why is the case that the more someone is a corrupt thief, the more religious and the more he becomes this banner of religious morals and practices?

I noticed in my village that the mayor and all his underlings are the most religious people in my village yet at the same time they have hoarded obscene amounts of land and money and wealth, and they always preach about the Orthodox Christian values and conservative traditional values! I used to go to church when I was younger, but the moment I realized what you described in your blog post, I dropped this religion in the trash can. I realized that the more corrupt someone is, the more he puts this facade of being very religious and conservative. 

[Leo Gura]

@Daniel Balan Because the less conscious a mind is the more it operates on group-think. Group-think is an unconscious survival mechanism. This means group-think rationalizes unconscious survival activities like theft, exploitation, abuse, illusion, falsehood, lies, propaganda, indoctrination -- as good.

An unconscious and selfish mind calls whatever serves its survival as "good" and anything that threatens its survival as "evil".

That's what every religion does. Religious morality is a rationalization of human bias and selfishness.

[Nemra]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Prioritizing anything above truth.

@Leo Gura, so, for you being moral is being truthful.

Am I being hypocritical if I want to be truthful and at the same time I would lie to or hide the truth from a person who follows some groupthink and couldn't care less about truth, and telling them the truth would hurt my survival too much?

Edited Sunday at 08:38 PM by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, AION said:

People who are not broken don’t wander into spirituality in the first place lol

Broken people LOVE, LOVE, LOVE spirituality because they have no capacity for truth, lacking any kind of epistemic responsibility, which means they get to run wild with spiritual fantasies and use pleasant spiritual stories to rationalization and excuse away all their broken, toxic, unconscious behavior as something anointed by God.

Spirituality is the prefect excuse to avoid responsibility and not do any genuine work.

Why do the hard work to fix your brokenness and worldview when you can have faith in Jesus?

[Keryo Koffa]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

So, for you being moral is being truthful.

Am I being hypocritical if I want to be truthful and at the same time I would lie to or hide the truth from a person who follows some groupthink and couldn't care less about truth, and telling them the truth would hurt my survival too much?

Edited Sunday at 08:44 PM by Keryo Koffa

[Rafael Thundercat]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan Because the less conscious a mind is the more it operates on group-think. Group-think is an unconscious survival mechanism. This means group-think rationalizes unconscious survival activities like theft, exploitation, abuse, illusion, falsehood, lies, propaganda, indoctrination -- as good.

An unconscious and selfish mind calls whatever serves its survival as "good" and anything that threatens its survival as "evil".

That's what every religion does. Religious morality is a rationalization of human bias and selfishness.

Oh, yes, and even my friend for whom I presented the video of What is Actuality. Even her who ready did dozen of Aya experienceS,Breathwork and vipassana, even her asked me: What do you gain from doing this sort of contemplation? 

was hard to answer her  because if someone ready think they have something to Gain by doing truth-seeking they are not ready to discover that the game is not about gaining but losing, losing lot, a lot of biases,assumptions and ultimately losing sanity. 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

What do you gain from doing this sort of contemplation?

You gain freedom from human nonsense -- which is her entire life.

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura regarding your recent blog post on Truth .. 

Every now and then I get the courage to question what reality is, etc. .. but I used to be able to do this quite effortlessly. I think past trauma has made it hard to even question it even a bit. I start to freak out a bit now, and have to keep re-grounding myself. 

But then I started thinking about your blog post more.

You said "Anyone not doing this is corrupt and deluded." If the pursuit of truth removes corruption and delusion, is it also the case that the pursuit of removing corruption is sort of a path of truth? 

What I mean is that if questioning reality even a bit triggers trauma, etc. .. is a path to truth removing trauma, fear, negative emotions, improving mental health, physical health, building ones life, etc. I'm a lot better at journaling my corruption and purging that, but can I consciously take that as a path to truth until I'm more receptive again to a higher quality path to Truth? 

or do you think I am flawed here somewhere in my thinking? 

And do you just mean absolute truth, or is your idea of Truth very holistic, multi-perspective, encompassing direct and indirect paths, etc.? 

Also, I hope you can answer this also very specifically: one of the greatest joys I get is tapping into infinite creativity, in my own way, within my life purpose, and I fundamentally feel more holistic, less fearful, more connected to life, etc. In other words, a lot more conscious when I'm really applying myself creativity. How does something like that fit with in with Truth? Because from one perspective I see that being higher conscious, becoming conscious of the beauty of reality, participating consciously in creativity, etc. but on the other hand it doesn't seem as direct, and therefore is that still not even in the ballpark of pursuing Truth?

I guess if I had to boil all this down into what I'm really asking here, is that if there's room in the pursuit of Truth to be strategic in how you go about it, as the path to Truth. Like there's more than one way to climb a mountain sort of thing, even if its indirect, you can still be climbing that mountain, whatever resonates, whatever feels fitting and is doable, etc. Sometimes I get the sense that when you talk about Truth you mean either a) "all this work of actualized.org as the path which is super holistic", but sometimes I get the sense you mean b) "yeah you'll do all this actualized.org work but really you need to be pursuing absolute truth very directly very often"

Edited Sunday at 09:23 PM by Jayson G

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Much to my chagrin, I agree broken people shouldn't go near spirituality. Hate admitting this.

They simply end up transposing all their hidden, internal broken dialogue into it. They invest in it and it becomes a religion to them. It becomes a bandaid narrative for other internal issues. 

They seek spirituality in an attempt to heal or ease their suffering. 

Rotton roots need tending before you swing from the top of the tree of truth. Or the whole thing is going to come down and land on you. 

And you will end up in a worse place than when you started.

 

 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I agree broken people shouldn't go near spirituality.

I don't know that they shouldn't. But they should be extra careful and clear-eyed. But of course they won't be.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan Because the less conscious a mind is the more it operates on group-think. Group-think is an unconscious survival mechanism. This means group-think rationalizes unconscious survival activities like theft, exploitation, abuse, illusion, falsehood, lies, propaganda, indoctrination -- as good.

An unconscious and selfish mind calls whatever serves its survival as "good" and anything that threatens its survival as "evil".

That's what every religion does. Religious morality is a rationalization of human bias and selfishness.

The funny thing is that everyone who kisses the ring of the mayor and the priests in my village, always have business opportunities available, are given construction projects in the nearby cities that have a very big pay at the end, while people who don't lick the asses of the priests and mayor barely have any business and work opportunities! When I was laid off my construction job the boss told me that one of the reasons I was fired was because I haven't attended church in over 5 years! And I told him and my ex colleagues that I am an atheist and since then they refuse to shake my hand when we meet in the village, they view me as a satanist! 🤣 While they have hundreds of thousands of euros in their bank account acquired only via theft, they call me the satanist! Haha

Edited Sunday at 09:54 PM by Daniel Balan