Shots Fired At Trump on Stage, At Rally..

[Scholar]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I also assumed that.

The court system really let us down. They were supposed to check Trump's bullshit, instead they rubber-stamped it and gave Trump cart blanche to rape democracy.

All 3 branches of government have become utterly corrupt: the presidency, Congress, and now the courts.

The irony of republicans saying the government is corrupt for years and years and then they are the driver of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't even know how you guys will return to a norm from this.

[nerdspeak]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I also assumed that.

The court system really let us down. They were supposed to check Trump's bullshit, instead they rubber-stamped it and gave Trump cart blanche to rape democracy.

All 3 branches of government have become utterly corrupt: the presidency, Congress, and now the courts.

I don't like Trump but I think expanding presidential immunity back to what it was like before Nixon -- maybe not this far -- is proper to avoid nonsense lawfare, like what happened to the Clintons and even certain aspects of what happened to Trump. They should have gone after him for Jan 6 and election interference, not this Stormy Daniels nonsense. . 

Political leaders need some immunity from prosecution because by going into public life they become much bigger targets for prosecutors, and minor crimes everyday people commit everyday get turned into big deals. 

Members of congress have much wider immunity than the president. Explicit constitutional legislative immunity (the president has no such explict immunity in the constituion), and they can only be arrested during scope of their duties for treason -- the president has no such arrest immunity. 

• Legislative immunity - https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legislative_immunity
• Arrest privilege - https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/21-compensation-and-immunities-of-members.html

Given the extent of the lawfare used by both parties, expanding the scope of presidential immunity to some extent makes sense, although of course it should not be absolute. 

Edited July 17, 2024 by nerdspeak

[Jehovah increases]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

It is a miracle that he survived. That's why I and many could not believe this was happening at the beginning.

It's far too unrealistic for reality to happen. But it happened. 

 

One would have to ask what sort of a God would have let him be President in the first place and then let him back in again. I always laugh that Trump wanted to build a wall to stop the Mexicans from crossing the border which will never work yes subterfuge comes to mind he had immigrants working for him from Mexico. I have a lot of respect and Love for Mexico.        And even funnier he speaks ill about China and all of his sheep even himself are wearing merch saying make America great again and it is all made in China. The irony of it all.  I asked Chat Pig and it said it was a true miracle. 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Jehovah increases

[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

I don't like Trump but I think expanding presidential immunity back to what it was like before Nixon -- maybe not this far -- is proper to avoid nonsense lawfare, like what happened to the Clintons and even certain aspects of what happened to Trump. They should have gone after him for Jan 6 and election interference, not this Stormy Daniels nonsense. . 

Political leaders need some immunity from prosecution because by going into public life they become much bigger targets for prosecutors, and minor crimes everyday people commit everyday get turned into big deals. 

Members of congress have much wider immunity than the president. Explicit constitutional legislative immunity (the president has no such explict immunity in the constituion), and they can only be arrested during scope of their duties for treason -- the president has no such arrest immunity. 

• Legislative immunity - https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legislative_immunity
• Arrest privilege - https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/21-compensation-and-immunities-of-members.html

Given the extent of the lawfare used by both parties, expanding the scope of presidential immunity to some extent makes sense, although of course it should not be absolute. 

The way it was has worked and was reasonable. The reason why there was "lawfare" is because Trump is an insanely corrupt president. The president already had immunity from civil persecution. That is more than sufficient.

 

None of this was a problem at all before Trump started literally trying to overtake the government.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Political leaders need some immunity from prosecution because by going into public life they become much bigger targets for prosecutors, and minor crimes

Presidents already had that level of immunity. It was a non-isssue. No President had been charged with a minor crime while in office.

The real danger is giving the President blanket immunity, especially Trump. That is insane and antithetical to the Consitutional intent of the founders.

That this is even being debated is insane. You are debating for corruption. If the President steals a bag of potato chips from Walmart he should be put in prison. That is what's right. If your president cannot clear that bar of conduct, tough shit.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura why are you not impressed about this miracle (positive or negative).

Let politics behind for a moment. Almost paranormal what happened. 

Edited July 17, 2024 by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura why are you not impressed about this miracle (positive or negative).

Life plays out like that all the time.

There was no miracle and no conspriacy. Just life.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Life plays out like that all the time.

There was no miracle and no conspriacy. Just life.

Grounded way to see from that perspective.

[numbersinarow]

On 7/15/2024 at 10:20 PM, Leo Gura said:

No. Most people have weak will to power, which is why they are nobodies.

So we've cleared up that others have the will to power too.

But what exactly are you saying is stronger within the enormously rich and egotistical person? Because the technical definition of "will to power" doesn't support the idea that some are stronger/more successful because that factor is stronger in them. (Wikipedia has it right). Other definitions are almost impossible to assume when someone hears the term.

[numbersinarow]

The evidence of the incompetence of the secret service makes me think there's at least a 50% chance of this being staged. Plus the shooter missing seems off even despite being easily possible.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

But what exactly are you saying is stronger within the enormously rich and egotistical person?

What's stronger is ego, ambition, and the drive to impose one's ego on the world.

This is the key thing that distinguishes rich and powerful people from everyone else. They have insane levels of ambition which 99% of humans do not have. Also insane levels of entitlement. This comes naturally with narcissism and ego.

Stop reading Wikipedia and think for yourself about human behavior.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Vibes]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

It is a miracle that he survived. That's why I and many could not believe this was happening at the beginning.

It's far too unrealistic for reality to happen. But it happened. 

 

That is creepy. I guess God wants things to get worst before it can get better…

But that is too short of a vision, we could say that about every little detail that has ever happened.

Edited July 17, 2024 by Vibes

[Gennadiy1981]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What's stronger is ego, ambition, and the drive to impose one's ego on the world.

This is the key thing that distinguishes rich and powerful people from everyone else. They have insane levels of ambition which 99% of humans do not have. Also insane levels of entitlement. This comes naturally with narcissism and ego.

Stop reading Wikipedia and think for yourself about human behavior.

Hey Leo, not suire if you saw my post, I really think you are panicking more than usual. The way you speak as if the end of America is approaching and if Trump wins it will be the end. First of all there is a lot of empty talks even from media, like there was this talk that he will not leave the office, that he would prolong his stay, but none of it happened, when his time ended he sat on a chopper and left. Honestly there is so much media inflammation that scare the public but we with high consciousness should brush these silly things off.

I cannot imagine how one person can become a dictator in such a high country that has so many branches of government. It clearly shows that you fell into scare tactics that the media propagates. I know that you are a very serious person and I can see based on your text that you are panicking and not as a joke but you are serious about it. Why do you allow yourself to be inhabited with just news outlets that need to sell news to make controversies so they make money. Honestly, most of the stuff is foolish and totally not achievable. I see you are being sucked into it big time.

You give so much lectures on how not to fall into conspiracy trap, but you are falling there yourself, I mean most of the left wing media and so is the right wing media, are playing scare tactics that whoever will be elected will chnage America. 

[DocWatts]

18 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Hey Leo, not suire if you saw my post, I really think you are panicking more than usual. The way you speak as if the end of America is approaching and if Trump wins it will be the end. First of all there is a lot of empty talks even from media, like there was this talk that he will not leave the office, that he would prolong his stay, but none of it happened, when his time ended he sat on a chopper and left. Honestly there is so much media inflammation that scare the public but we with high consciousness should brush these silly things off.

Leo, myself, and others who are sounding the alarm bells about Project 2025 and a second Trump presidency are treating current events with a level of seriousness that's completely appropriate, given the situation.

America is on the cusp of losing its democracy, with the potential to backslide into the type of authoritarian regime that people have historically immigrated to the United States to escape.

Stop treating this as an abstraction. It's happening, it's real, and it will ruin many lives if it comes to fruition.

Edited July 17, 2024 by DocWatts

[aurum]

1 hour ago, numbersinarow said:

The evidence of the incompetence of the secret service makes me think there's at least a 50% chance of this being staged. Plus the shooter missing seems off even despite being easily possible.

That is a conspiracy. Please be mindful of the standards for this forum.

[Gennadiy1981]

@DocWatts I would politely disagree with you. There is a fear mongering from media on both sides. I remember when Obama was running the conservative media scared people that he will make America like a third world country and etc, but none of it happened. And lets be honest, during the 4 years of Trump, if you reside in USA and I assume you do, did your personal life dramatically changed? I would bet it stayed the same, indeed all presidents are just nominal.

As far as project 2025, first there is a lot of misinformation on it, second items that are in the charter most are nonsensical, they will never ban same sex relationships, but third, some points are good, like eliminating FDA, as most regulatory agencies are really covering the manufacturers and not looking for consumers interest. FDA cares more for pharmaceutical interest than ours and so does EPA and FCC, just for your info, so those agencies really need to be cleansed. The rest is just fear porn.

I really thought you guys are higher conscientiousness than this, but you guys have the same fear as conservatives did before Obama.

[Yimpa]

One time I had a male therapist gaslight me about how the court’s decision to overturn Roe v Wade was not a big deal, and that me being upset about it was unwarranted. 

Humans can be really unintelligent and unkind, even the ones who are well educated and privileged. 

[zurew]

27 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Stop treating this as an abstraction.

You are wasting your time. That person definitely  haven't read anything on these topics and he is utterly clueless but he is running around   preaching how everything is relative or that there is nothing serious going on.

Complete lack of epistemic humility, completely being ignorant of the facts, while being in preacher mode while thinking they are highly conscious .

The worst person to waste any time on.

[Rafael Thundercat]

This Guys want a Wyatt Earp world with all costs. Maybe USA will never lose the Farwest spirit. 

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't even understand that Trump orchestrated a conspiracy to undo Biden's election victory. His administration was actively manipulating and doing everything they could think of to prevent Biden's inaugration. This ended in an insurrection but they did way more stuff behind the scenes than that.

Just because their efforts failed does not mean they didn't try to steal the election for Trump. They did, and they will do it again.

If you don't know this, then it is pointless to discuss politics with you because your reseach is so poor and your grasp of the facts so shallow.

Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash and actually read some news articles by serious people about serious things.

You guys are not actually abreast of serious policy and serious news. You are lost in pop-culture politicial memes, noise, and drama.

1. Which is why I asked 'Conspired to steal an election? Jan 6 insurrection and accusation of electric votes being tampered?' to you, so that you can answer me back right, to give you the chance to help me understand more and enlighten me about that right? You make it sound like any question I give to you is like evil and ignorance, but I am not evil with asking you like that? I am doing some research on my side with my free time, but I give you the courtesy of the opportunity to answer me back, and maybe give me some links to articles or footage showing this orchestration of that event.

2. I didn't assumed that logic that because they failed/=/they didn't steal the election, in that point I'm addressing the probability field from which you base your prediction, and in some logic form it'll be like this: where is the P(prediction)you just made, like a conclusion right, and from which you derive from pp(your premises and patterns in the past)? It's like in another context you are losing your marbles in some bag, and complaining about how dangerous if you lost all the marbles right. OK I then ask OK, have you experienced this before, have you got some data to show me a pattern of losing marbles or events of all marbles lost, and I am questioning your assumption and prediction and where that's coming from right, just a bit? That's all I'm asking, give me an answer with some evidence just either confirming or denying my question, with a link or 2 and I'll do that research, meanwhile I am doing my own research which IMHO you assuming I didn't was mean.

3. Stop watching Destiny and other social media trash??? Have you been paying attention to what I have posted here??? I said I was an ex fan of Destiny and in other threads you know I have more of a anti social media position, that strongly implies what? That I have stopped watching Destiny for the most part and that I don't engage with those Tik Toks and most social media, like 80% of his content isn't in my feed anymore. It's also mean you assume I don't read serious works or serious articles on politics.

4. Can't speak to that group of people you generalize as lost in memes, political memes, pop-culture memes, and drama. But I can speak for myself in that I am not that lost with them and I can think for myself despite my craziness. Again assuming I'm part of that group like that is mean...which is strange because you made a past video titled 'Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.', so given how many assumptions that are mean which you did to me, can you not see the fuck up you might be doing to me right now in assuming all that? Just from me asking simple clarity seeking questions?

   Look, if you're going through something very stressful other than this political situation, let us know then. I won't press any further if you're going through something dark alright? Hate to do that if you're going through something, and yes I am assuming maybe this part and am fucking up but like I said I am a nice person, don't want to step harshly just in case right?