Got initiated into Kriya Yoga

[Salvijus]

@Ayham oh I see. Most people don't stick to book yoga. That's why I was surprised.

You should get initiated into something. There are many benefits to it. One of which is it helps to stick to the practice somehow. Some kind energtic support is given and sort of grace is there that has influence in that regard. Among with other benefits. 

Edited March 25, 2024 by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

Like someone said before, with Real Kriya Yoga, the Guru initiates via transmission, he is the fire, you are the spark from the fire and want to become fire yourself, without the Guru's fire you don't exist on that level, so in the old days there was not much talking and convincing like there is today, this is because ppl were not as intellectual, they were too busy surviving and working to stay alive, so they were more grounded, and the Guru could easily transmit Spiritual Knowing to them, so in Kriya it is like this, Learning from a Book or video is not good, dangerous actually! and Switching methods is not good either, find a Guru then stick to that method for a long period of time, see what happens!

[Salvijus]

45 minutes ago, Ayham said:

Have you been initiated? Was it transformative in a way?

I've had a chance to receive initiations/transmissions from multiple sources. Yes there's a huge difference in my experience to the point I'm barely able to consider who are not initiated into anything spiritual at all. A bit like a joke to me they look. Even tho there was a time when I was doing things by myself uninitiated from the internet and I benefited from it. So it's a valid stage I guess. 

My belief is if you're genuine, your efforts will naturally lead to some place where you can receive an acceleration of some sort and take things to another level. And you look genuine so that's good:) 

45 minutes ago, Ayham said:

and I'm from Iraq, which is hard to leave (I have an escape plan but it takes time)

Oh I see. There are actually ways to get initiated online even. The important part I think is to figure out where you belong to karmicly first and what you resonate with the most. And then finding the next step becomes very easy. 

Edited March 25, 2024 by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

33 minutes ago, Ayham said:

@Salvijus I don't really have much of an option of initiation, I am still not an adult and I'm from Iraq, which is hard to leave (I have an escape plan but it takes time)

I doubt there's any Kriya guru here lol

Have you been initiated? Was it transformative in a way?

Start off here, watch this video with Sadhguru, he explains it all on how to get started, you can go thru it all online, he is available to anyone that is willing, that is the important part, if Your Willing, it is available to You!

 

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Ayham said:

@Salvijus got it, so the difference is huge for you, and what do you mean by "where you belong to karmicly"

@Ishanga isn't sadhguru shambhavi kriya very watered down and made for a public audience?
it is quite different from kriya yoga as I know

As he says in public video's and in person (I've attended 3 programs with Sadhguru, 3 to 4 days for each one), Its just You and Him, plus if You can stop identifying with Space and Time, its available anywhere all the time, so its not "watered down" or less than any other method lol...I've researched other kriya methods, when I watched or read what they did it all related to shambhavi mahamudra and such, plus there are other programs/practices that Isha offers that are after one learns Shambhavi, so in my experience Shambhavi is very effective and powerful, you will feel its effects soon after you start practicing, and with the other tools offered in Isha's Inner Engineering program, one is on their way,,I will say its not a fast track, but its slow and steady so that one does not fall backwards at anytime!

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Ishanga said:

with Real Kriya Yoga, the Guru initiates via transmission, he is the fire, you are the spark from the fire and want to become fire yourself, without the Guru's fire you don't exist on that level

This is BS.

You don't need any guru to do a practice. And it is the practice that gives you the benefits, not the guru.

If a guru helps you stay motivated, that's understandable, but also you could just keep yourself motivated. You don't need a guru to go to the gym every day. And if you had a gym guru he would not grow your muscles for you.

These gurus BS you about initiation because its how they get business and maintain their monopoly. You could just do the practices on your own like a mature adult. Of course then the guru will be out of a job.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Starlight321]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is BS.

You don't need any guru to do a practice. And it is the practice that gives you the benefits, not the guru.

If a guru helps you stay motivated, that's understandable, but also you could just keep yourself motivated. You don't need a guru to go to the gym every day. And if you had a gym guru he would not grow your muscles for you.

These gurus BS you about initiation because its how they get business and maintain their monopoly. You could just do the practices on your own like a mature adult. Of course then the guru will be out of a job.

@Leo Gurabut isn't a guru still beneficial as soneone pointing out the specific traps a deciple has like you do? 

[Leo Gura]

46 minutes ago, Starlight321 said:

@Leo Gurabut isn't a guru still beneficial as soneone pointing out the specific traps

Of course.

But the guru himself is also a trap. A good guru must teach you that.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, Jowblob said:

@Ayham teacher is called veda guru dev and his guru was : Swami Vedananda Saraswati (Sannyasa, Swami, Bharmarcharya, Yogi) Who's Ashram Is Located In Dwarahat (State of Uttarakhand, India) 

@Javfly33 thank you man, you actually made me remember/realize some things when i was god. Yes you're right that kriya's were created by your highest self, and the reason it's always accessable because when you're in the god mode you can't really edit anything because everything what is there is already perfect and you're perfectly selfless. Basically you're so conscious that you see through all aspects of reality and all is perfect

Don't listen to people talking about your nervous system or energy systems burning out....why? Because nothing will fry your system or overload it like psychedelics. If you have taken psychedelics you have already altered and messed with your energy systems. So you don't actually need to do all that other stuff they said. They are warning you because there have been some edge cases of people claiming to have fried their energy systems due to having a kundalini awakening. But again you can trigger one through psychedelic use and fry your system.

Kriya Yoga isn't more powerful than psychedelics so your fine. But it can be very powerful and disorienting if you have never done any psychedelics or any other spiritual practices that impacted or changed the energetic flow within you.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

But again you can trigger one through psychedelic use and fry your system.

That's not an argument in your favor.

You can damage your system with psychedelics. And this is not a good thing.

You should be careful with activating kundalini, so you don't harm yourself.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[TheSelf]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You should be careful with activating kundalini, so you don't harm yourself.

I believe this where guru is important, Kriya Yoga can stimulate your Kundalini and awaken it easily resulting in release of immense energies that you cant control that could cause pain in the spine, dizziness and or hallucinations and some other side effect and in worst cases burn your nervous system, guru can help you manage all this.

I was stupid with my practices (didn't take the warnings serious at all) and now I'm suffering some side effects of it for years.

Edited March 26, 2024 by TheSelf

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

guru can help you manage all this.

Let's get real. What is Sadhguru gonna do for you if you accidentally activate kundalini in the wrong way?

You're never even gonna get access to him over email. So I just can't take this stuff seriously.

Once you activate your kundalini, you're stuck with it. No one is gonna save you.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[TheSelf]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Let's get real. What is Sadhguru gonna do for you if you accidentally activate kundalini in the wrong way?

You're never even gonna get access to him over email. So I just can't take this stuff seriously.

Nothing for sure.

But he is not the only one,

I'm just saying just because it's hard to access one genuine one you shouldn't do it yourself and enter this territory which you have no clue what would happen to you if things get out of your control I did it myself on my own and I wish I didn't do it at all, but I was reckless with my practices...

And there's no way to put the Kundalini back to sleep, at least out of our control.

 

Edited March 26, 2024 by TheSelf

[bazera]

@TheSelf

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but I was reckless with my practices

Can you tell us what you did in more details?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

And there's no way to put the Kundalini back to sleep, at least out of our control.

If this is true, there's little a guru can do to help you other than pointing out the traps. Which could be written down in a book. And said book exists in my book list.

In the old days you would live with your guru 24/7 and get constant one-on-one guidance. That is nearly impossible to find these days and not accessible to householders. In the end, yoga is designed to activate kundalini, which comes with risks. From what I understand the best way to minimize those risks is to not do too much yoga too quickly.

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[TheSelf]

35 minutes ago, bazera said:

@TheSelf

Can you tell us what you did in more details?

In short I was very sensitive to the practices I mean I quickly felt the energies and it all worked and excited me to dive deeply into it (it was mind-blowing and so exciting to find out it was all real), this quickly awakned my Kundalini, the energies then started to rise up to the head causing lots of headaches at those days, pain in the spine and some other side effects resulting of the energy functioning totally on its own still present.

I stoped all practices long ago but once the Kundalini is awakened it can get only stronger and release more and more energies as time pass by.

I believe experienced yogis or gurus gain some control over these energies, unlike Leo I don't think they're powerless when it comes to these stuff, so surely they can help.

Edited March 26, 2024 by TheSelf

[Leo Gura]

@TheSelf And so how are you living with that energy today?

What would a guru have you do differently to avoid that problem?

Edited March 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[bazera]

@Leo Gura Did you restart your Kriya routine? Do you still find it useful after all your awakenings?

Edited March 26, 2024 by bazera

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, bazera said:

@Leo Gura Did you restart your Kriya routine? Do you still find it useful after all your awakenings?

I am planning to but had to hold off for weird health reasons.

[SamC]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is BS.

You don't need any guru to do a practice. And it is the practice that gives you the benefits, not the guru.

If a guru helps you stay motivated, that's understandable, but also you could just keep yourself motivated. You don't need a guru to go to the gym every day. And if you had a gym guru he would not grow your muscles for you.

These gurus BS you about initiation because its how they get business and maintain their monopoly. You could just do the practices on your own like a mature adult. Of course then the guru will be out of a job.

@Leo Gura With all due respect Leo but you're wrong on this one. Energy is constantly being transmissioned and it's something you can become conciouss of.

You have even said that you have got to experience being a tiger in the past on Psychedelics ( gotten to experience that same consciousness state) and the same thing can happen with a "Guru s " state of concioussness.  That's what is being pointed at when they talk about initiation.

^^^ you get intiated ( getting to experience a certain consciousness for the first time) and can then choose to make that concioussness grow and intensify if you nurture it. That's what's refered to as the spark.🔥

I've both experienced the transmission and being the one that transmissions the energy. It's real and a possibility for all who wish to experience it. Don't let your bias against bhaki yoga and worship hinder you from seeing what is actually being pointed at🙏🏻

 

Edited March 26, 2024 by SamC