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I love how Leo is trying to show biases and understand each POV rather than argue for a side lol Good job Leo

Okay this is insane right now

I can vouch Iraq has been getting so much better and developed and conscious Not the majority of people but I'm finding gems of people, especially in the new generation

@royce because I am curious about your viewpoint Which side are you on? how would you define terrorism? For me, I tried to debate for each side and be able to see from both perspectives, I am trying to collect perspectives, at this point I hold a neutral opinion, I can understand why each side wants what they want, though I lean a bit to Hamas, I really sympathize with them and their cause, but at the same time, they have become a terrorist organization that won't actually be stopped, so I can see why Israel wants to completely eliminate them, yet Israel is also being genocidal with zero regard to civilians. I am debating with myself whether to call Hamas as terrorists or not, I would like to hear both perspectives, from anyone here.

@royce I want to hear a definition of terrorism from you

@integration journey hitler is very different, here you have a number of groups, in lebanon, syria, iraq, iran, yemen, and so on, all with the same fundamentalist religious extremist beliefs, their belief is so strong that they won't give it up no matter what, it is literally their whole identity, when you kill their leader, many people will pop to avenge, to continue the legacy of their very dearly held leaders, to fight against the "evil enemy". That's basically their primary motivation, because there is no way in hell they can let go of their identities or just scatter, that's quite literally ego death for them. That's what makes those groups pop up again and again, you can't extinguish them, the more you extinguish, the more there will be people trying to continue on what the others did. and in this case, when they align their political and terrorist agendas with a dogmatic belief in religion, it is much more dangerous because it is quite literally the absolute truth in life for them. it goes on much deeper, it is disastrous recipe.

@royce how so?

@Leo Gura After careful reflection, I was able to conclude that you were right, organizations such as Hezboallah don't work in the way where you can just attack the leader and scatter the rest, but rather, they have very strong motivations that are at the core of their identity, killing Nasarallah will only create 50 more Nasrallahs. Fuck how did I miss this.

@Thought Art got you, being able to understand and integrate all lenses, taking from them what you wish without adhering to the dogma of any of them.

@Thought Art Yes, that was one of my favorite videos of his, I consider it the path towards real knowledge and wisdom. Yet I believe it must be accompanied by direct contact with spiritual reality, whether through spiritual practice or psychedelics.

I see, following your heart and intuition without forcing yourself into one, that makes sense, actually. I always had the tendency to try to find the effective thing and brute force myself into it lol, even though deep down I can sense it is not supposed to be like that. Thanks for the insightful answer.

@Leo Gura damn! most random thing ever, but it is cool.

@Atb210201 oh right, edited, thanks!

Is it Buddhism, Kriya, Advaita, Bhakti, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Yoga, Sufism, Christian mysticism? I am not claiming one has a monopoly on the truth or can take you all the way, but I am asking for your opinion, which is most accurate philosophically? and which is most effective as a practice in terms of spiritual progress?

@Leo Gura how do these organizations work then in your opinion? I suppose they are united with a motivating goal, but leadership is still important for them to function. For example ISIS still exist in Iraq, but are very weak and scattered, not an actual force to worry about, they still hold on to their dogmatic beliefs and try to act on them, every once in a while they would do an attack, but they lack good leadership to unite them, so nothing is coordinated or meaningful. That's how I thought about it, I don't know.