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Maybe that idea about reincarnation is true, but maybe it isn't. We don't know the structure of reality.

@Majed People hate death and suicide, because they're life addicts. Also they have misconceptions about what death is. Death isn't about reincarnation or heaven or hell or nothing. Death is about a surrender of the body to infinite consciousness, which is God. The dysfunction isn't suicide, the dysfunction is your relationship to death.

@LastThursday I had this funny moment two years ago. I had an Ayahuasca ceremony and in the evening I was lying in my bed. I was not in the peak high but almost sober again, just the afterglow. I felt very much aware, calm state, my thoughts very clear, orderly and sharp. I was pondering this and that, some insights about me and the world that came to me during the last 24h. And then it suddenly hit me. "I have been here before". I don't mean in sense of reincarnation, but in a sense of "I had all this clarity, and insights, and epiphanies before." Most of it I wasn't new, I just forgot. Some insights I lived, others I didn't. No matter how clear they seemed to me in whatever state. And now, when I see myself or others proclaim big insights, I typically treat it with a certain scepticism until I see the action in real life.

Forget about enlightenment for now. Just let's talk like regular human being "without being spiritual or God" (what a bullshit) 😂 After physical birth, the mind or brain becomes active, and with that brain, you appear, your personality, experience, beliefs, ideas etc... happens. You can say no, brain or mind was always here before birth, so where the fuck was your experiences, ideas, beliefs before physical birth? So, when body dies, you die, your experiences die, your god dies. The you forget or lost the mind that forgets it creates you, your experiences, beliefs and ideas etc... Then what is left ? 😊 Reincarnation, God, any experience, nihilism, non duality, no self, neo Adviata, being spiritual, solipsism all is bullshit. The mind has created you in order to play with you. 😂

Why? Why is this dream experience occurring? Do you believe that people right now are walking around in China, having their own experience? Or is life exactly like a dream? Meaning, when you leave a place, it stops existing. How do you stop the cycle of reincarnation? Can an insight or an enlightenment experience cut off the cycle of reincarnation? What role does desire play in this equation? Perhaps we are dreaming because we have desires for the world, or for the personal self? Do you believe that God created this dream? How can a loving, eternal, perfect being create something temporary, decaying, full of suffering and pain? Why is there suffering? Fundamentally, why did we or God choose to embark on this journey that is so painful? Why was the universe created? What is the fundamental purpose of form?

@Someone here I resonate with Ramana on the subject of reincarnation. To me, the very idea doesn’t compute. In fact I know zero about anything, I’m just playing with the knowledge I already have acquired, that was already here prior to my personal appearance. I then draw from this wellspring of words to form my own models of make belief realities, knowing full well it’s all just pure storytelling, speculation and wishful thinking, or even hellish musings that I too wouldn’t wish on anyone. In reality though, all I know, is that I know nothing, and I’m absolutely fine with innocence. Yes, I’m here talking about knowledge because what else is there to do but talk about knowledge. But what I have come to discover is that everyone who has ever talked about knowledge has drawn that knowledge from the exact same place, namely, nowhere. So even a tale told by someone’s personal direct experience is literally signifying nothing, because words are just labels, and labels know nothing about anything, how could they, it’s all just pure imagination, a dream. And to me personally, knowing I know nothing, is just pure blissful music to my ears. Forever basking in the pure innocence that is life and death ebbing and flowing from one form to another infinitely for eternity for no other apparent reason than it just does and there’s nothing anything can do about it.

The gap between lives though is also immediate. Just like the gap between falling asleep and waking up is felt as zero time from the inside out...even though from the outside in it appears to take time like multiple hours.. That is if you want to speak of the reincarnation model at all . No one has ever explained the reincarnation thing fully ..neither Leo or Sadhguru or Rupert Spira ..everyone is confused about this question. I read an interesting quote the other day ..people would come to ask Ramana Maharshi all sorts of philosophical questions when he was alive like this question about reincarnation..he would answer by asking this question " does this question occur to you when you are in deep sleep ?" And people would answer "no".. And Ramana would say "then it's not important "😂. Next level wokeness .

How to Explain Eastern Taoist Magic? In 2023, while reading, I experienced a sudden and intense outbreak of somatic symptoms. It was so severe that I feel I needed to be hospitalized and placed on oxygen. Over the next 3 years, I worked with two postmodern Lacanian psychoanalysis PhDs who graduated in France. During that time, I did self-analysis and reading every day. I came to believe that everything was projected by language and symbols. As my symptoms calmed down, with companionship and increasing knowledge, I felt that I was making progress. But I also knew clearly that the core of my somatic episodes had not decreased in the slightest. When an episode happened, its intensity was exactly the same as it was three years ago. Later, half-jokingly, I contacted a Chinese Taoist priest and asked: “No matter how I look at it, nothing helps—could I be cursed or something? Hahaha.” He said he would take a look, and then told me: “You have Gong Tou on you, you have Bing Ma (spirit soldiers) on you, and there is an animal demon in your home.” I didn’t believe him, so I continued working with my postmodern psychoanalysts for another year. In the end, what I was facing drove me to the point of collapsing and I wanted to suicide. I happened to have a large sum of money in my hands, so I said: “I can’t spend it all anyway—just remove whatever ‘evil technique’ you say is there.” So he did. During the ritual, I still believed that the “evil technique” and “spiritual entities” he described didn’t exist at all. After it ended, I played around for a while and then went to sleep. The next day, when I woke up, I knew I‘m cured. And the psychoanalysis to cope with my somatic symptoms, which I had been doing for three full years, has stopped completely. My life has changed from 24h severe somatization、Vision distorted、triggers through music texts and sights to normal living. After that, through spending time with this Taoist, I learned a lot about the worldview they had. They believe that people come into the world through reincarnation. The purpose of life is awakening—cultivating oneself to truly become “Immortal.” Only by learning the magic teachings, with the help of gods/immortals, can one become an yin spirit after death, then cultivate into a shigong (master/ritual elder), and finally become a god. My original somatic symptoms have now completely disappeared. But what I experienced conflicts with what I learned on Actualized.org. How do Leo and you guys understand the idea that Taoist magic can directly affect reality? The Magic paper is for recovery，protection，luck，and remove evil qi.

@gettoefl Its gaslighting of a false God to keep you reincarnation. You will die and God will say dont you want to come back? They say yes and are like fuck I was tricked.

Because, this life, past life, reincarnation, experience etc ... All is mind. When mind is surrendered these concepts surrendered too.

Think about this - which is more profound - getting to date every woman/man on earth (you can presume by way of reincarnation) or getting to BE every man/woman/person that has ever existed on earth. The latter is a far bigger, more epic picture. Regardless of whether these specifics of actually true, the premise should point you to how absolute love works and how relative love works - do you don't conflate the two or get so caught up in relative love/infatuation that you lose the distance needed to truly appreciate the universe. Absolute love is much more profound, infinitely more profound than ordinary love, but yes, ordinary love is still amazing and completely integrated into absolute love. Hope this gets the contemplative gears turning.

It's an interesting perspective, but from my point of view, the center never disappears, nor do preferences. The change is (to repeat myself once more) from a closed energetic framework to an open one. In a closed framework, the center is absolute, and the facets of the self are energetic whips that vibrate continuously in the foreground or background, causing movement, like a cow propelled by electric shocks that tell it where to go. If you manage (if the self/center manages) to open the energetic framework, the configuration changes completely. It's an absolute mutation, not a change of perspective, a realization, or "the fall of illusion." There has to be an absolute will for liberation, not a will to seek a better situation. If it's the latter, you fall into religious spirituality. Of course, you'll believe it's not religion but awakening, etc., but you'll remain on the emotional rollercoaster with the electric shocks of the cow making you dream of a bright future, here or in the next life. The issue isn't the method, but understanding the objective. The objective is to break free from the energetic prison in which you live. Who lives in an energetic prison? The self. It is the self that is liberated, not God, nor consciousness, nor the soul; it is the self, the center constructed by the human energetic structure. And by liberating itself, the self becomes a direct interface between form and the totality . The self perceives itself as the totality manifested all time, because the opaque emotional barrier against which all flow bounced has dissolved; therefore, the flow is now unlimited. This does not imply that the self knows there is reincarnation or anything like that; it knows that it is, and is the unlimited manifested. Therefore, death is only a phase change, something within its domain as a totality What disappear is the constant suffering by default, the rumination and the anxiety, but obviously, as a human being, your mechanisms remain intact. If your daughter is gang-raped and then burned alive, you'll suffer. Or, without being so dramatic, if your car breaks down and it costs 3k to fix. It looks like freedom , openess , security, happiness , appreciation of the beauty everywhere, understanding of the dynamics of relation, perception of the unlimited vitality of the reality

I know what Ramana Maharshi said; it's quite basic, uncomplicated. The thing would be to talk to him and see how he responds, but that's impossible. What is undeniable is that he was a man detached from form. For him, form was irrelevant; he was focused on what's he call the absolute self, the unlimited being. But for me, this only means that he was innately detached from form, and that since this attitude is promoted and given status in India, he voluntarily emphasized this detachment by vocation. This doesn't imply that when, for example, he says that the enlightened reach the end of the cycle of reincarnation, it isn't simply a religious repetition. For me, a much more interesting mystic is Ramakrishna, for example. His message is personal and direct. Ramana's message seems heavily filtered through Advaita and Buddhism . Focused in the vacuity, silence, no form.

If time is eternal, then there is endless opportunity for anything to happen. If reality has the possibility of creating anything, and also the sense of consciousness and self has the ability to arise in form, then it seems all of us will go through absolutely everything no matter what we do in this life, sooner or later. Maybe there is some limits, like think of the most random thing: a triangle made of marshmallow that lives in a world without gravity and eats pumpkin seeds to survive. Maybe that’s not a possible form, except it being able to arise as image in our mind, because it doesn’t make sense logically how it would function, maybe form needs logic, so even the most paranormal activity we can encounter has a certain “logic” that somehow fits into this reality we live in. And with regards to self awareness, many forms might arise which never develop self awareness in no universe or timeline. Maybe a table is always unaware so it doesn’t suffer when it’s broken. But even considering possible limits, there’s still infinite opportunity for you to be tortured so many times in all of eternity. So it is more than enough 😂 I do think there may be some truth to this karma thing you talk about, so there might be connection between this reincarnation, the previous and the next. But that connection I don’t think is gonna last forever. Some time in eternity, you’ll still go through all the shit no matter what. Doesn’t mean morality doesn’t matter, if you have human psychology, you’re gonna suffer somehow inside yourself if you cause too much harm, so that’s the most direct “karma”.

Karma obviously exists. You reap (EXACTLY!) what you sow. So if you cause suffering in another person, you will receive the exact amount of suffering in return at some point during your journey of incarnations (assuming reincarnation is true — if we’re being honest no one knows with 100% certainty what happens after death.. if we can enter a state of deep sleep, there’s nothing logically contradictory about that ‘state’ lasting ‘forever’). the suffering that is returned to you will be in another form (i.e if you cause physical suffering to someone from punching them in the head you may receive equivalent suffering of mental anguish of regret etc.) newtons law: every action has an equal and opposite reaction applies not only in the physical domain, but also in the moral domain.) since these domains aren’t actually seperate — non-duality and all that. So all this talk about how morality is illusory by Leo and some of his parrots on the forum, are completely missing the point that our actions can have severe repercussions for ourselves as well as others. the thing about producing good karma, is it literally is win-win since both parties benefit. The thing about producing negative karma is it’s lose-lose since both parties are worse off from whatever action set the chain in motion in the first place.

When you ask people about reincarnation and how they know they have reincarnated, they will answer "I remember living at that place and that time". It's a thought about the past, of themselves seemingly living in the past. Therefore, the most epistemically parsimonious position is that reincarnation is simply when you can recall thoughts about what seems like yourself from a different life. Now, can you ask a sardine to recall and produce thoughts about any past lives? Perhaps not, but maybe you could ask a human about their past life as a sardine. You can be agnostic about the metaphysical implications of past life claims without denying that the people may have legitimate 1st person experiences of memories of what seems like past lives. You can say it's not "them" in a past life but simply "a" past life they recalled. But then there are extraordinary past life claims that trace lives chronologically back thousands of years, no mentioning of random time jumps or somehow multiple lives from the same time. It would then be a better explanation that there is a kind of a metaphysical structure there, like a subtle body, persisting through biological death. And this is already the case: your body is not the same body as 7 years ago. All the cells have been replaced, through controlled or circumstantial cell death, yet your experience persist, continuously through every cell death, from your first memories to today. When you're remembering your childhood as an adult, you're recalling memories from a different body. "But the overall structure is the same, it's the same creature, just gradually changing". Yes, there seems to be a kind of a "subtle" element that persists despite gradual biological change. And yes, it's just a funny example of how things persist despite biological change. Perhaps something persists despite complete biological structural annihilation as well.

It sounds good, but is it really like that? For example, Ramana explained how he realized he couldn't die, in an experience he had when he was very young, but did he explain why he knew about reincarnation? Anyway, a sardine He has no self-referential thought, and according to those who believe in reincarnation, it is an inferior state, which still has countless reincarnations left.

Reincarnation happens every moment you think a self-referential thought ("I/me/my" thoughts). Enlightenment eliminates self-referential thoughts. If the thoughts are eliminated, the string of thoughts preceding it are broken. What is reincarnation? A string of self-referential thoughts extending across lifetimes.

One should always be skeptical. Just because someone seems serene and without desires doesn't mean they're at peace with themselves or maybe they have a system that works at low intensity. It doesn't imply a deep understanding of the structure of reality. For example, how does he know there's a cycle of reincarnation that ends with enlightenment? It's an acquired idea.

It's important to remember that Ramana Maharshi was revered for his mystical "aura," not for what he said. Some people seek genuine mysticism, finding someone who conveys a sense of serenity, holiness ,and this implies that the person is enlightened, whatever that may mean, someone who knows the truth. Let's see, Ramana spoke of the cycle of reincarnation and said that his mother performed Mashamadi, then she ended the reincarnation well and a cow achieved enlightenment through transmission by him. Just a couple of examples.

I believe he practiced urine therapy/shivambu w extended fasting but not eating his own semen that's very twisted. If you want to glimpse the true character / teachings of Jesus read the essene gospel of peace and way of the essenes. Most of his teachings came from masters he learned from in India. Indian sages recognized him as a reincarnation of lord Rama / Krishna.

Exactly. İt cant. Therefore, imagination belongs to body and mind, not You. Not even dead, You never even born. What was before psychical birth, You are still that, only body is born. You are always same. Body will die, You are always same. Therefore, reincarnation or after life is none sense.

@Gigsi just an inkling. It explains reincarnation.

@Shawn Philips but also NDE accounts also point out that the truth between beings is a type of honesty and knowing which can't quite hide lies or dishonesty - it's almost a spiritual telepathic knowing between spiritual entities so that you can't hide manipulation tactics but can see through one another's thoughts and intentions honestly and openly. So that level honesty surely can't hide manipulation tactics for reincarnation trap loops. Also the dying brain floods dopamine, serotonin, DMT chemical-like drugs and endorphins these being positive states not negative.

You're mixing three topics here: The harvest of human psychic energy in energetic centers that usually over ley-lines that would feed other beings in the 4th 5th dimension (called archons or reptiles in conspiracy circles). The planet being a holographic prison as a matrix. The rigged reincarnatory cycle and the trap. The first and second we cannot have proof of that. The 3rd we have proofs like hypno regressions of past lives, people who didnt have all his memories wiped. Also most the Near-death experiences point the white light as a trap and how they run away from it they came back to life. I've heard multiple times the reincarnation trap theory from different people, cultures. In my opinion the matrix reads all your memories and renders holograms of your loved ones, people you admired and they manipulate you referring to guilt, mistakes, missed oportunities you had in life to come back reincarnating again and again... We reincarnate with our memory deleted so we dont knoe what we came for, see the rigged pattern? We cannot come here to learn lessons if they delete the learnt lesson.