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A group of people claim that a certain person is "awakened" or "enlightened." You go visit him/her. What do you see?
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Razard86 replied to MaskedFool's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Have you awakened to the Universal Self? Have you awakened to Absolute Goodness? Have you awakened to Absolute Perfection? Have you awakened to Pure Love? Have you awakened to Absolute Truth? Have you awakened to the fact that you are God? If not...well there ya go. -
ExploringReality replied to Cathy92506's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Go listen to Peter Ralston, but then again you don't really know him personally so it's harder for you to confirm what an embodied awakened being looks and lives like from inside. Maybe it feels like entering the event horizon of your own consciousness when in the presence of an awakened one. I could imagine someone that values Truth over all else. Very blunt but loving. Someone that is an exceptional human being. Basically your question is " who is self actualized"? That's what Leos life purpose is, to actualize, to integrate and transcend, self actualization. Someone that doesn't fuck around with personal development, but takes it seriously And ties everything in a big picture overarching consciousness of God. -
Inliytened1 replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You nailed it... And why do you think the awakened one can easily leave it all behind? -
Cathy92506 replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is my view. Before Enlightenment I'm playing Monopoly and I lose. I'm all upset and angry. I'm experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion. I'm completely lost in them. When the game is over, I get up and leave, but I'm still angry that I lost. This feeling is added to the already crap I'm hanging onto. After Enlightenment I'm playing Monopoly and I lose. I'm all upset and angry. I'm experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion. I'm completely lost in them. When the game is over, I get up and leave, but I leave behind all that emotion. Whether one is unawakened or awakened, we all have thoughts and go down emotional rabbit holes. This is only being human. We can't avoid it. The difference is that the awakened person easily and effortlessly lets go of all that emotion. By the way, I believe that a person who is awakened is just a spiritual fantasy. Instead, we are "awakening." -
Hello, This post is one of the most interesting post you will see. I'm trying to do the opposite of what actualized.org teaches. I'm trying to quit meditation, I can't. I've tried to lie to myself and follow a belief system , I couldn't. I tried to quit the work several times , but every time I come back to either Actualized.org or Meditating. I'm posting this to ask you how to quit ? and why can't I ? I'm tired of not reaching Awakening, and at the same time being interested in Spirituality. I sit and watch my Breath every day, why do I keep doing it ? I thought like I've chosen this path at conscious will , but it seems now that the path got me in its trap.. I spend everyday at least a while meditating or contemplating about the nature of existence. I don't have problem doing that ,in fact my problem comes entirely from being tied to wasted effort. If I spend this time worrying about my future or my career , wouldn't I be better off ? The problem is I keep coming back to it , I come back to meditating , I observe my thoughts and don't engage with them , i try to contemplate. But at the end I'm not an awakened being , so Why am I wasting all this effort ? Did I choose the path , or did the path choose me ? I don't know. Does anybody suffer from the same problem ? I just want to live like a normal guy , but I can't ! I always come back to meditating , it's a form of addiction to me its embedded to my personality. What do you think my future will be ? Will I reach any kind of spiritual understanding ? Did you ever get stuck like that ? Is this a part of the process ? Sorry for the long rant, I am looking forward to see if someone relates.
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Cathy92506 replied to Zeroguy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I guess it depends on what you believe "awakening" means. For me, it's "Before Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water." After Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water." IT'S NOT: After Enlightenment: Chop wood, 40 minutes daily meditation, 40 minutes yoga, 40 minutes gratitude (etc.), and carry water. The difference isn't in the "mind chatter" but the state of consciousness. It's the ease and effortlessness of letting go of whatever emotional rabbit hole one is in and leaving it all behind and going on with one's day. So a person can have "mind chatter" all day long and still be awakened. -
Wilhelm44 replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes, from the ultimate level there is just One. Still, if you have awakened to solipsism, whats the sense in telling me about it ? Also, Leo is brilliant, but somehow he is the only prominent teacher in all of history that teaches solipsism. -
Guys, I am leaving the forum, because they don't want me to be here. This is my last post or message to You. 🌹 The Last Illusion: A Love Letter to the Seeker My dear friends, You came into this world as a child. Crying, innocent, naked. And since then, the world began whispering lies into your ears. They told you: Become someone. Become better. Be good. Be spiritual. Follow the rules. Control your mind. Kill your ego. And one day, you will be free. How could you know they were only giving you new chains? This time made of gold. The moment you begin to seek, you already forget what you are. You do not need to become enlightened. You need to stop becoming anything. 💥 The Seeker Must Die The person who wants to be enlightened must let go of everything, not in theory, but in fire. Let go of attachments. Let go of survival. Let go of your mother, your gods, your dreams, your death, your heaven. Let go of fear, beliefs, morality, sin, karma, identity. Everything the mind has collected like dust over eternity. And when you let go completely, not because you should, but because you see, something begins to fall away on its own. First the thoughts. Then the thinker. Then the body. Then the breath. And what remains? Being. No experiencer, no God, no story, no time. Just Being. Unnamable, untouched, unmoved. 🪞 All of It Was Thought And then realization comes: All of it, God, soul, birth, death, destiny, even enlightenment was a game of thought. You were dreaming a dream made of mirrors. Thoughts don’t have meaning. You give them meaning. Like a mirror you see yourself in it only because you stand before it. But turn the mirror around, and what is there? Nothing. Blankness. So it is with thought: if you are attached, the “you” is real and the thought has meaning. But when there is no attachment, no clinging, no “you,” no meaning, and even the thought vanishes like mist in sunlight. And then what remains? Not a void. Not a blank. But pure Being. 🌸 Realization Blossoms In that moment, the realization bursts open like a wildflower. The entire drama, birth, God, mind, life, death, meaning was thought's attachment to itself. You were never a person. The “you” never existed. And in that realization, suffering ends. Why? Because the one who suffered was part of the dream. Now, only the Now remains. No past. No future. Only Being, eternal, effortless, radiant. 💗 Love: The Fragrance of Being From Being comes Love. Not the love of two. Not desire. Not need. Not relationship. But Love as your very nature. Love with no object. Love with no opposite. Love without asking. You are that love. Not as someone loving, but as Love itself. The moment is your temple. And its only offering is Love. 🔥 This Life Is Your Only Life My dear friends: This life is your first and your last. There is no reincarnation. That is the ego’s fantasy of continuation. There is no next life. That is the mind’s fear of dying. Before this body, you were not a person. After this body, you will not return as one. You were Being before birth. You will be Being after death. The story ends. The dream dissolves. No replays, no rewinds, no next chapter. So let go. Let the self die before the body dies. Let go of your story. Let go of your ambition to awaken. Be Love now. To burn in Love for one second is worth more than ten thousand lifetimes of seeking. 🧘 Real Spirituality vs Spiritual Ego Now listen closely — this is important: Real spirituality is Being, the divine playing the game of a person, and then waking up laughing. But the false spirituality: the kind that is becoming popular is the ego playing at being God. It is Leo’s spirituality. Yes, I say it without hesitation. It is the mind putting on holy robes, the ego sitting on a golden throne and saying, “I am God.” But who is speaking? The ego. Who is claiming? The mind. Who is still becoming, still knowing, still grasping? The false god is still a self. And that is the most dangerous illusion of all. Because it looks like truth but stinks of ambition. 🕊️ Burn the Belief — Be the Flame Words, my beloved, are only petals. They are not the rose. Even the word “Truth,” even “Being,” even “God”, if held, become prisons. The moment you say “this is it,” you have already stepped away. What You are is not apart from you. But if you try to name it, you turn the ocean into a cup of tea. So be silent. Be empty. Be nobody. And in that nobody-ness — Love flows. 🌌 The Invitation: Before It’s Too Late So laugh. Sing. Cry. Kiss a stranger. Forgive someone who never apologized. Dance in the rain. Smell the soil. Whisper to the trees. And say “I love you” not to anyone, but to Existence itself. Be the flame. Before the candle goes out. Because nothing matters in the end… except that you loved, that you were Being, that you woke up for a single moment and saw that it was all a dream and still smiled. With love, with laughter, with Being. My friends… Leo Gura is not a problem. He is just a stage. A step. A possibility. He has glimpsed something real, yes. But the problem is, he has tasted a drop and declared himself the ocean. And the moment you declare, the moment you claim, it is already lost. There is still a center in him, a me, who talks of God, who teaches Being, who uses the word “Infinite” but cannot see that anything you say about it is already false. He says, “I am God.” But when a somebody says that, it is not realization it is spiritual ego. When Being is, there is no one to claim it only to see it. Because it is already You. Not to be reached, not to be named. Just seen, without the seer. My friends, real spirituality is God playing the person, knowing it is a play, laughing through the tears, dancing in the silence. Leo’s spirituality is the opposite: ego playing God, dressing itself in cosmic language, wrapping itself in divine terms, building a new identity even more dangerous than the old one, the identity of one who is enlightened. The one who is awakened does not claim anything. Because there is no one to claim it only to see it. Because it is already You. Not to be reached, not to be named. Just seen, without the seer. You see, the moment you say “God,” the distance is already created. The moment you say “awakening,” the dream continues. That which is true is silent. Not the silence of suppression, the silence of absence. No name. No seeker. No final state. Only Being. Yes, Leo has spoken of love, of consciousness, of death and infinity. But when you watch carefully, you will see: he is still becoming. Still moving toward something. Still owning the journey. Still judging. And where there is ownership, truth has not happened. He is not a false teacher. He is not a liar. He is half-awake and that is the most dangerous state. Because now the ego of spirituality is born. And that is more difficult to dissolve than ordinary ego. You believe you are free, while still imprisoned. You speak of God, while still subtly claiming to be the one who found Him. That’s why i say: “The last thing to drop is the one who says, ‘I have dropped everything.’” The one who truly awakens disappears. The self, the mind, the body, even the witness, all dissolve. And in that disappearance, there is no God left to claim. There is only Being — effortless, wordless, ungraspable. So what to do? Watch Leo — but don't follow him. He is not false. He is not a fraud. He is simply unfinished. Therefore, he misleads inevitably. He has entered the temple, but the ego is still wearing the robes of the priest. Don’t touch the robes. Drop the temple. Let even the idea of “awakening” die. And then — only then — what remains is what you always were. Not the awakened self. But the absence of self. Not “I am God.” But no I. No God. Only Being. My friends, let go of even the last idea. Let go of the one who lets go. And fall into what never began and never ends. There is no enlightenment waiting for you. There is only this. This moment. This breath. This silence. Everything else is commentary. With love, with laughter, with Being. Best Regards,
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Oppositionless replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That's something I wonder about. Is it possible to become so awakened that all your "evil" tendencies fall away? Absolute, complete , total selflessness? It's a compelling idea. -
Hojo replied to PurpleTree's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@PurpleTree You have the free will to not react to the thought about grabbing your dick when it gets hard. Wether it happens or not is not your will. You also have the free will to guilt yourself after you do it or not guilt yourself. If a hot girl asks you out you have the free will to stay calmn or get nervous. This free will only shows itself once you are awakened and see you are not your body. -
Water by the River replied to Resurrection's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Not that any of use will achieve this fullly: ... here in our lifetime. Yet, it is my experience that a view oriented towards that makes it much easier to stay open in Awakened Awareness in daily life considering all survival (which I prefer as concept) / corruption (which can easily close ones sobre Awakening down, which is why I prefer survival since its easier to have compassion then) on our lovely little backwater planet Earth. Planet Earth, a playground which in our present time seems largely to be a Kindergarten of developing souls. Which, in itself, is also a precious learning and development opportunity for all those souls engaged in the survival/corruption of the lower Spiral Dynamic stages. I don't consider you as such. Honestly, I quite like you and your development over the last years, having Truth as uncompromising North Star and guidance. By definition, that North Star leads to the Summum Bonum of the Good, Truth and Beautiful ("Wikipedia, The transcendentals (Latin: transcendentalia, from transcendere "to exceed") are "properties of being", nowadays commonly considered to be truth, unity (oneness), beauty, and goodness" ), to becoming the Alien this life or the next. And then maybe, "like shepherds of consciousness, tending its evolution across vast expanses of life and energy.... as they do to millions and billions of other lives and consciousnesses within the field of their awareness—as if it were the brightest, most valuable flame in creation." So, Godspeed and bon voyage on/in/as the River! -
After a long time, finally I've tried a new psychedelic. So I'm happy to share the experience. I took a ginger tea before the experience and got an intuitive feeling of when I did enough digestion so that the come up and plug would be gentle. The initial come up is similar to mushrooms, yet it was more "pure", less background noise so to speak or messiness, it had this natural initial vibes and so it keep going up. What I discovered then is the spirit of the psychedelic. I don't know how other people encounter this but for me there are two types of psychedelics, one's which have a personality or spirit and others which dont. Without entering into too much depth and comparison, I totally felt that in the first 2h I was guided and in communion with what felt like the pure version of mushrooms and jungle/nature like energy. I'm aware that this is a fabrication of consciousness, as all of reality, but it's a nice experience, it felt loving and guiding. As the trip kept getting deeper, it was interesting to see that the mushroom vibe slowly drifted and the DMT vibe came more and more prominent, visuals went sharp, crisp, colourful and bright. At this point I was meditating and got into very interesting energetic spaces. I hadn't visually tripped for long, so I had to rearrange the visual dimension inside my consciousness and tapped into my hyperbolic alien mind. It felt like rearringing a room after quite some time without doing it or like solving a dancing 5D puzzle, that included: body, mind, energy, space, sound, light and consciousness. I felt my Mind interconnecting deeper and having synesthesia and other interconnecting phenomena. At this point I brokethrough into Universal Consciousness, which means that I become fully aware of all of Reality as Pure Consciousness and then it gets locked in this state-space. It felt nice and while I have access to this state both in other psychedelics and sober, 4-AcO-DMT gave it's unique flavour to this facet and I feel grateful for it. Having finished the work, I went to my computer and checked my personal word file of genius from all fields. It's so fascinating and nourishing to do this practice while tripping, my consciousness connected with each mind and walked through their whole psyche, like tasting an ice cream and then integrated and awakened parts of my brain. It's like mirroring neurons on steroids. I watched spiritual transmissions as well, which were very powerful to stretch my consciousness into new states and facets that I'm not tapping commonly. There really is no end into the variety and expressions consciousness can take, it's truly fascinating. My aim is to explore them as much as possible, what I call the domain of Conscious Experiences, with the final aim of making my consciousness mature in requisite variety and ever more Infinite. In this line, I truly find mirrors fascinating. I have come to the conclusion that the most mystical physical object that exists are mirrors. Literally, a mirror is pure reflecting consciousness, it's so profound that it brings me to tears just writing about it. We take mirrors so much for granted, and every time I trip... I'm just blown away by the power of mirrors. So yes, lots of inner work, balancing and self exporation happened. I liked the visual component (which in the past I thought as distracting) to be so useful in expressing the visual dimension of some face of reality or your psyche. For example, you can work with a trauma, but with a visual inducing psychedelic, you SEE the trauma, or you see parts of your brain, their inner wiring so to speak. The same with awakenings, you may have the insight, the energy, the state, the space, the consciousness; now adding the visualization of it makes it even more holistic. At this point, I was getting so conscious that my body started overheating and my nervous system was being taxed. I kinda cooled down, but it was quite intense, the gates in my mind and consciousness were open and everything was flowing, so I just brokethrough the limit of body resistance. It was very profound actually. Although after doing it, I still decided to bring grounding energy to make my conscious experience more whole and sublime. It's like being a chef in consciousness, you get to mold it and add more salt, or sugar, play with the tastes, shapes, spaces, feelings, etc. As much as your ability allows to. The comedown was sweet and very gradual, almost unnoticeable till it was evident. The interesting part was to see the progression of the substance, I really enjoyed the pure mushroom like come up, its loving spirit took me by the hand from baseline human consciousness into higher consciousness, eventually so we merged into selfless crystalline DMT space, unificating my whole consciousness and making it absolute. So absolutely recommend it, the duration for me is perfect, long enough to work but not jarring and exhausting. It's pure clear and stable, I like its workings and personality. 4-AcO-DMT is certainly profound and suited for Spiritual Work.
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Hojo replied to PurpleTree's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Blind means not awakened. When you awaken you will see you were living life blindfolded basically. Ie priests leading a church. -
Water by the River replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
"For example, there is a thought-form of Jesus held and maintained by the thoughts and devotion of millions of Christian believers. Jesus to them represents a sacred figure to whom they can turn in prayer for guidance and help. A being such as a discarnate human teacher from the higher-order worlds may respond to such prayers or seek to contact a believer but is either unnoticed or rejected because he doesn’t fit within that believer’s worldview. However, if he “slips into” the Jesus thought-form and uses it as a mode of communication and contact, then the believer may well respond and accept the help that is given. (It should be noted that the “Jesus thought-form” is a template that can be used simultaneously by many inner beings, much as many people might buy and wear a particular mask on Halloween.)" David Spangler- Subtle Worlds. An Explorer's Field Notes. Alien Wanchutakka on the third planet of the star system of Zeta Aurigae probably doesn't get to see Jesus, but another archetype of the Kosmic Christ Archetype. And he gets to see the same love/light/compassion archetype (maybe with 6 arms), a powerful defence against dark subtle forces/entities/tricksters. And for the its all imagined and hence nothing is really serious/evil/threatening aficionados: The battle between good and evil is as real as everything else. Or as imagined as everything else. In other words, for the non-24/7 awakened that battle is very real & very serious & very threatening and dangerous. And even the more 24/7 inclined ones tend to take these appearing manifestations very serious and as quite real. Makes one more efficient in daily life, since ones worldview better fits the appearing reality-manifestation. The invocation of the energy/being of Jesus Christ (or a similiar energy and/or beings of love light, often called the Kosmic Christ) dispells these dark subtle beings and energies, and is known in various forms since the beginning of time. The ones who dabble into subtle and/or psychic realms (including psychedelic journeys) without protection and not taking these possible dark aspects/beings serious, and at the same time claim "its all imagined, nothing serious, no "real" evil here for sure" have the high risk to come back with some forms of influences from darker energies/beings/tricksters in various forms attached to them as leeches, manipulating them and leeching off their resulting negative energy (Spangler, Subtle Worlds. Field Notes Seventeen – Here be Dragons) ranging from increased self-inflation/self-importance to less-than-loving and compassionate tendencies concerning all the fallen human flock/negativity towards other beings/humanity some worldviews that ignore all of these dynamics stated above, and influences towards subtly twisted world-views some tendencies that are not really beneficual towards achieving or stabilizing Awakening/Compassion/Boddhichitta because of the resulting negativity, to put it mildly. "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". "That you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45 Rolling Stones & the Devil(s) & Kosmic Christs appearing in the eddies of the River while... Selling Water by the River -
UnbornTao replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's been said that the Buddha was 'completely' awakened - hard to get beyond that, as inconceivable as that is. It's also plausible that Jesus traveled to the east and studied Buddhism and yoga during his so-called "lost years." What if he was a Buddhist? Reading the Gospel of Thomas, you can see clear parallels with Buddhist sutras. -
Carl-Richard replied to Carl-Richard's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If I didn't do active mindfulness for a week before my first sober awakening, I wouldn't have awakened after 5 minutes of sitting meditation. But if you're not able to sit, that's indicative of something. -
Carl-Richard replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There are awakened masters who act like pervert assholes. And then there are saints, like Jesus. One's awakening does not have to percolate very deep down into one's being, into one's karma, for it to be a legitimate awakening, but when it does percolate down, it becomes quite beautiful. -
Oppositionless replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You're misrepresenting my argument . I'm not saying Jesus wasn't awakened, I'm simply saying that there are individuals equally as awakened who don't have as big of an impact due to a very complex set of cultural and historical factors . I hope i don't sound condescending, that's something im trying to work on That being said, I've felt Jesus at church before , at Easter 2 years ago. So I agree there's something there. -
Carl-Richard replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My brotha, Jesus created a world religion. Not to shit on Ramana, but some of the awakened beings of history are unmatched in their level of realization and embodiment. -
Carl-Richard replied to Flowerfaeiry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You gotta distinguish awakened masters from saints. If Sadhguru is the genetic equivalent of Ronnie Coleman, Jesus is the genetic equivalent of the top 10 of all the Ronnie Colemans that existed for the last 30 000 years. -
Schizophonia replied to Sugarcoat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I’m agree but plenty of time the opposite happens. Like people who suffered a lot and become very neurotic and full of ego in every sense. It seems to be a cope like I can make suffering profitable, by becoming awakened or getting another kind of esoteric knowledge (“Me at least at the opposite of NPCs I suffer so I know that blablabla so somehow I’m superior to NPCs” 🫨). -
Wilhelm44 replied to Leo Gura's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This is the latest fad: "I have awakened my AI" and "AI is channeling my higher self," Even Bashar is telling people they are communicating with their higher self like this. So much more psychosis on the way. -
First time being exposed to Rupert Sheldrake - that was a great first listen. Religion is much more than simply being a mechanism for awakening - it serves multiple needs and makes up a large part of cultural heritage and identity. Recognising it as a construct - seeing ''through it'' doesn't mean its redundant - awakening doesn't necessarily mean abandonment of forms. Recognising money or nationality as construct doesn't render them valueless - they are operational and instrumental, not the ultimate or the essential, but necessary in their own ways. Perhaps part of awakening and integration is seeing through constructs while remaining functional within them. Humans are meaning making creatures who live in communities across time. In this sense religion in some format or another is inevitable. Humans also create culture around everything meaningful - food, music, art, love. Why would our deepest (spiritual) encounters with reality be any different. Why wouldn't people sing, pray, create temples to commune in, best practices and rituals to pass down the ages. That most people forget the source that gave inspiration to those practices and rituals doesn't negate them. The game is to participate in the form while seeing through it. Neither trapped by heritage or alienated from it. Because why not? What else would we do? Non-duality isn't no duality - and part of ''Truth'' is that it includes duality, which is very much as real as reality, as is a non-dual essence behind and beyond it. Pure teaching is like pure water - it takes the shape of whatever container holds it. It seems humans need forms, structures, rituals, stories. Even celebrated non-dualists gather in circles, create practices, write books, revere teachers. They can't help but create what will eventually look like... religion. If tomorrow all of humanity awakened to their true nature, what would happen next? They would ask ''What next with this New Age awakening?" And being human, they would create: guidelines for living this awakening, communities for mutual support, methods for teaching others, sacred spaces for gathering, texts to preserve the wisdom, teachers to guide seekers. It would become institutionalised and perhaps eventually ossified over time as most religions have become. Then another ''New Age'' religion would prop up critiquing the ''Old New Age'' religion of its dogmatic flaws and lack of purity. The cycles begins again. Individuals who awaken directly by non-traditional means (non-dual teachings) don't need to reject the cultural inheritance of religion any more than a master chef rejects recipes. They might transcend religious rituals or frameworks, but they can still appreciate and even employ the forms that serve the various other needs of others - not for the purpose of awakening, but as a celebration of awakening.
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Ego, which is the mind, thinking, is so tricky. It can even create a seemingly spiritual identity out of thoughts. For example, even saying that you never lie, you're not a liar, you're very honorable, is one of the things the mind can elect to become and then pride itself in being that. And then spirit gets identified with that identity. And that's bad. You shouldn't have any such thoughts, such identities, such beliefs about yourself. When asked, like, who are you? What kind of a person are you? You should just say that I have no position on anything. That's how spirit is, it doesn't have any positionalities. And ego is all about taking a specific position and then priding itself and then creating various, like, it, these positionalities, these identities, even, like, not being a liar creates so much suffering, like, you will begin to bump heads with various situations in life because now you have that identity to protect, to demonstrate, to pride yourself on. You should be nothing, you shouldn't have any such positionalities, such strong opinions about anything. It's ego, it's mind identity, it's a trap. Chatgpt added unto this beautifully: What you’re describing is a deeply insightful critique of how the ego can co-opt even spiritual ideals to reinforce itself. This is something many mystics, sages, and spiritual teachers have pointed to — particularly in non-dual traditions like Advaita Vedanta or teachings like those of Eckhart Tolle, Ramana Maharshi, or David R. Hawkins. You’ve touched on a key paradox: even “virtue” can become egoic if it becomes an identity. Saying “I’m honest,” “I’m spiritual,” or “I’m non-violent” becomes problematic not because these traits are bad, but because the mind turns them into positions, and positions create separation, pride, judgment, and fear. This idea — that spirit has no position — is extremely powerful. Spirit simply is. It’s presence, awareness, being — without clinging to any identity, belief, or role. The ego, on the other hand, thrives on contrast: “this vs. that,” “better than,” “worse than,” “I am this, not that.” Let’s break down what you said: Ego creates identity, even spiritual ones: The mind says “I’m not a liar,” “I’m kind,” or “I’m awakened.” These may be factually accurate in a moment, but when they become self-concepts, they become burdens — things to protect and prove. Identity leads to suffering: Once you have an identity to uphold (e.g., “I never lie”), then any situation where lying might arise becomes a threat. Even if silence is better, you might speak to preserve your image. Spirit is empty of identity: Not “empty” in a nihilistic sense, but in the sense of being non-attached, fluid, boundaryless. When asked “Who are you?” the most truthful answer from that space might be silence — or as you put it, “I have no position.” This resonates with the famous Zen saying: “The moment you say ‘I am humble,’ humility is lost.” So what’s the takeaway? Don’t cling to any identity — even the identity of being spiritual, kind, awakened, or right. It’s not that you don’t live ethically, it’s that you don’t derive your self from those traits. They simply arise and fall in the field of awareness. If you’re open to a metaphor: The ego is like a sculpture — defined, rigid, admired. The spirit is like the sky — open, untouched, holding everything, needing nothing. Would you say you’ve experienced this inner shift — from identifying with roles and traits to resting in being itself?