A few thoughts on your metaphysical claims, Leo

[Monster Energy]

Okay, Leo. I want to try to explain why I hesitate with some of your conclusions, not to dismiss them but to understand the path you take from experience to philosophy.

I absolutely believe your experiences are genuine. It’s clear you’re not making them up. What I’m more curious about is how you interpret them.

You often describe moments of total certainty, and I know how powerful that can feel. But that’s exactly why I’m cautious, because the sensation of absolute clarity isn’t rare. It can come from ecstasy, psychedelics, psychosis, meditation, euphoria, depression… basically any extreme mental state.

The feeling itself isn’t the issue. It’s the step that comes after.

The leap from “I experienced this” to “this is how the entire universe works.”

That’s where I can’t quite follow, because experiences are private while your conclusions are universal. It’s like going from a diary entry to a physics textbook without anything in between.

When you say “consciousness is everything,” it sometimes sounds as if your personal sense of totality has to be the fundamental structure of reality. But how do you know it isn’t just the mind doing what the mind always does when pushed to its limit: creating a sense of meaning, coherence, narrative?

That’s one of the mind’s most basic functions.

I’m not saying your interpretation is wrong. I’m just saying it is an interpretation.

For me there’s a difference between a powerful experience and a theory about reality, and that’s where I wonder if you’re jumping too quickly. Not out of bad intention, but because the experience itself is so overwhelming that it almost demands a cosmological explanation.

I can respect that. I just need more steps between the points to follow along.

That’s all.

 

[tuku747]

I can say, from experience, that experience, or direct gnosis, is a more powerful and truthful than any theory of everything I've since come up with since then. It's as if you are the ultimate theory of everything itself. When you realize that you are the way reality works, you stop doubting yourself in favor some truth beyond your own understanding (like a God which lords over you) and instead, assume God's role. It is the infinitely high frequency (aka, The Present Moment) which all things emanate from. When your awareness is at such a high frequency that you are no longer able to maintain a lower frequency sense of self with which the higher frequency is reality to you, you realize that you are, and have always been, the highest frequency (what is, right now), then you see that all of reality is emanating from you, and reality becomes much more fluid dreamlike. Reality is the direct realization of this.

Edited 3 hours ago by tuku747

[Monster Energy]

25 minutes ago, tuku747 said:

I can say, from experience, that experience, or direct gnosis, is a more powerful and truthful than any theory of everything I've since come up with since then. It's as if you are the ultimate theory of everything itself. When you realize that you are the way reality works, you stop doubting yourself in favor some truth beyond your own understanding (like a God which lords over you) and instead, assume God's role. It is the infinitely high frequency (aka, The Present Moment) which all things emanate from. When your awareness is at such a high frequency that you are no longer able to maintain a lower frequency sense of self with which the higher frequency is reality to you, you realize that you are, and have always been, the highest frequency (what is, right now), then you see that all of reality is emanating from you, and reality becomes much more fluid dreamlike. Reality is the direct realization of this.

I’m not disagreeing with the experience itself. I’m disagreeing with the conclusion you draw from it.

A powerful moment where your sense of self collapses doesn’t automatically mean you’ve discovered the structure of the universe. It just means your usual identity wasn’t operating, and your mind filled that space with whatever concepts felt most meaningful at the time.

People in extreme states regularly feel like they’re God, or the source, or the center of reality. The experience is real to them, but the interpretation is still a human interpretation.

So I’m not saying your moment wasn’t important. I’m saying it isn’t automatic proof that reality works exactly the way it felt in that moment.

That’s the only thing I’m pushing back on.

 

[tuku747]

5 minutes ago, Monster Energy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the experience itself. I’m disagreeing with the conclusion you draw from it.

A powerful moment where your sense of self collapses doesn’t automatically mean you’ve discovered the structure of the universe. It just means your usual identity wasn’t operating, and your mind filled that space with whatever concepts felt most meaningful at the time.

People in extreme states regularly feel like they’re God, or the source, or the center of reality. The experience is real to them, but the interpretation is still a human interpretation.

So I’m not saying your moment wasn’t important. I’m saying it isn’t automatic proof that reality works exactly the way it felt in that moment.

That’s the only thing I’m pushing back on.

 

You are the way reality works. That's the ongoing realization. You are the ultimate "theory of everything."

Edited 2 hours ago by tuku747

[Monster Energy]

4 minutes ago, tuku747 said:

You are the way reality works. That's the ongoing realization. You are the ultimate "theory of everything."

That statement is still coming from the same mind that had the overwhelming experience. It’s the narrative you built afterward, not the event itself. The experience may have felt like totality, but the interpretation is still a belief you formed about it.

 

[tuku747]

Just now, Monster Energy said:

That statement is still coming from the same mind that had the overwhelming experience. It’s the narrative you built afterward, not the event itself. The experience may have felt like totality, but the interpretation is still a belief you formed about it.

 

Of course, if we're speaking of experience that's unavoidable.

[Monster Energy]

3 minutes ago, tuku747 said:

Of course, if we're speaking of experience that's unavoidable.

But that’s exactly my point.

If it all comes from experience, then you can’t use the experience itself as proof that your interpretation is the final structure of reality. The experience happens to you. The meaning you attach to it is still yours.

 

[Human Mint]

Nice way to cut yourself from God.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Monster Energy said:

That’s where I can’t quite follow, because experiences are private while your conclusions are universal.

You are assuming experiences are private.

"Private" is a fiction. There is no privacy, only Truth.

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When you say “consciousness is everything,” it sometimes sounds as if your personal sense of totality has to be the fundamental structure of reality. But how do you know it isn’t just the mind doing what the mind always does when pushed to its limit: creating a sense of meaning, coherence, narrative?

The only way to know is to become infinitely conscious. Actually do it.

It IS the mind. Infinite Mind. Thus nothing else.

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I’m not saying your interpretation is wrong. I’m just saying it is an interpretation.

If it was an interpretation you would be correct. But it is not an interpretation.

I am talking about actual Absolute Consciousness. You are overlooking that possibility.

Open your mind to the existence of an actual Absolute. Not a theory or a guess. And not an experience!

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For me there’s a difference between a powerful experience and a theory about reality, and that’s where I wonder if you’re jumping too quickly.

I am not talking about theories, nor am I even talking about powerful experiences, I am talking about Truth.

Truth does not exist for you as a real thing yet. You think Truth is a concept.

All I'm saying is TRUTH exists. And you don't yet fathom this possibility. You think I am talking about cool experiences or ideas.

Ideas can always be wrong. That is correct. Which is why we do not care about ideas. We are seeking Truth instead.

Consider: an experience of Infinity actually IS Infinity. So the mere experience of it proves its absolute reality. If you are experiencing Infinity you can't be wrong about it. In the same way that if you are seeing red that means red exists. You can't be wrong about red existing since you see it.

This is a common oversight, but skepticism cannot apply to direct experience. That is a misuse of skepticism. If your ass feels cold it is absolutely true your ass feels cold. That is not a trivial matter.

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