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Insightful article on Buddhist perspective on nihilism.. https://buddhaweekly.com/buddhism-has-nothing-to-do-with-nihilism-and-everything-to-do-with-experiencing-why-emptiness-and-nothingness-are-poor-translations-of-shunyata/

@OBEler @Leo Gura Thank you very much. I honestly don't know yet. I'm still integrating the experience. But it has made a very positive impact. Here are some notes from today. Post Trip: Seeing reality from this new lens made me cry tears of Joy a couple times. I broke up in tears multiple times today, reminiscing the experience from yesterday. How profound and intimate it was.. My God. Looking at the sky and seeing the beauty of this creation makes me feel ways I can't explain. I may be the only being at the center of reality and existence, but I don't feel alone one bit. Perhaps it's because I have not had experiences of nothingness and the feeling of being all alone (experiences as I've read), but this life is truly a masterpiece and that feeling of aloneness feels like a bastardization of the truth that I experienced. I know my journey has just started. I just got a little glimpse. I have only scratched the surface. But oh boy does it feel significant. I understand that this consciousness is all that exists, but it feels complete. The world around me may just be an illusion, but it's divinely beautiful. :') I sometimes just kiss my hand in awe and out of Love towards reality. I have always done that but now the love has grown significantly more. It makes my heart melt just writing this. I am grateful for this life experience. It sure is a roller coaster. Truly the best gift. Special thanks to Leo. You have played an important part in my journey.

Where does one begin the search for spiritual truth self-realization called enlightenment? Dr. David Hawkins’ List Below has been calibrated above 500, which is unconditional love. I find this list important, as I do not want to be duped (smile) on my spiritual path by any book or teacher not yet teaching from the conscious level of (500+ which is unconditional non-duality love.) Hawkins’ Consciousness Scale ranges from 0-1000, (1000 is the Highest Level of pure/consciousness humanly possible.) “The great avatars that set the ultimate paradigm of reality and standard of conduct for all of humanity for thousands of years. Of those, the Lords Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, and Jesus Christ all calibrate at 1,000. All the names for Divinity calibrate as Infinity. The revered great sages and their teachings calibrate in the 700 (extremely rare), such Huang Po and Ramana Maharshi.” -Hawkins After being a student of Dr. Hawkins for a while now, I can share with you that I have forever been changed by his love. Although I’m not yet Enlightened I’m certainly on the path and nothing would take me off it, as I have discovered God’s Love is my LIFE. According to Hawkins we, as humans, live at vastly different “levels” of consciousness. All these levels, along with the “truth level” of ANY true/false style inquiry, can be tested for truth and numerically “calibrated” through muscle testing, on a logarithmic scale of 1-1000. According to Hawkins, any person, concept, thought or object that calibrates at 200 (The level of Integrity) or above is positive (“power”); anything below 200 is negative (“force”). So far, so good. Hawkins’ “map of the levels of human consciousness” is highly consistent with most spiritual teachings, running the range from Shame (lowest) to Enlightenment (highest). Hawkins’ descriptions of the levels are accurate; his personal growth coverage , positive energy and similar concepts are spiritually sound. (This is further discussed in Dr. David Hawkins book, Power vs. Force) Below is Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. ‘List’ of calibrated Spiritual Teachers/Teachings/Places/Books and Mantras that are over the conscious level of 500 UNCONDITIONAL LOVE: [500] – LOVE This level is categorized by love that is very close to being unconditional, unchanging, and permanent. It does not fluctuate nor does it depend on external factors. Love is a state of being. It is a forgiving, nurturing, and a supportive way of relating to the world. It is not intellectual and does not come from the human mind. Love radiates from the heart Chakra. It has the capacity to life others and accomplishes great feats because of its purity of motive. At this level of consciousness, the capacity to discern essence becomes predominant. The core of an issue becomes the center of focus. As reason is bypassed, there arises the capacity for instantaneous recognition of the totality of a problem. Reason only deals with particulars, whereas Love deals with entireties. This ability, often called intuition, is the capacity for instantaneous understanding without resorting to sequential symbol processing. There is a major paradigm shift in those things, which seemed real, which now seem unreal and vice versa. This level opens to door to benevolence, mercy, and Forgiveness through understanding and nonjudgmental. Only 4% of the entire population of the earth attains this level. Because of the dominating power of light over darkness, one individual at this level counterbalances 750,000 people below the 200 levels. This is the level at which spirituality starts, since below this, individuals are still caught up in the linear world. Also the level of a songbird’s song, cat’s purr, and a dog’s wagging tail. [505] – The level of valor. Also the level of Dante. [510] – The current level of Catholicism. Also the level of the Ganges River, which demonstrates the power of spiritual intention, the power of prayer. It calibrates there despite having sewage from 100 metropolitan areas, all kinds of filth, even bodies. [520] – This level interestingly sees much country music, which may be due to the lyrics often speaking about the problems of the heart, emotionally speaking. [535] – The energy level of Christmas, which is probably due to the common practice of giving gifts to others and having festive celebrations with good tidings. [540] – Joy – At this level, love truly becomes unconditional. It becomes experienced as inner joy. This is not the sudden feeling of joy because of a turn of events. Rather, it is a constant accompaniment in everything the individual does in every moment of his or her life. Joy comes from each moment of existence. This is also the level of healing and spiritually based self-help groups. What has been known as ‘miracles’ occurs when someone is at this level of consciousness. Only 0.4% of the global population is at this level. This is also the level of truth of Christian practice in the 6th century AD. This is the level at which the third eye opens, physically known as the Pineal Gland. Devotional acts calibrate at 540, because of the power of their intention. Includes folding hands in prayer, kneeling to pray, genuflection, praying at the Wailing Wall, turning a prayer wheel, etc. [540+] – From this level upward, it is the domain of saints, advanced spiritual students, and healers. A capacity for enormous patience and the persistence of a positive attitude in the face of prolonged adversity is characteristic of this level. The hallmark of this state is Compassion. [540] – The calibration of the music of George Harrison, on an overall basis. Also the level of Socrates. [540-600] – This level of consciousness is reached after a person has a Near Death Experience, which are spiritually transformative and allowed individuals to quickly get to this level. At this level, the world seems illuminated by the beauty and perfection of creation. Everything happens effortlessly, by synchronicity, and the world and everything in it is seen to be an expression of love and divinity. A Presence is felt whose power facilitates phenomena outside conventional expectations of reality, and often termed ‘miraculous’ by the ordinary observer. The spiritual teachers in this level are the ones who have the most contact with significant numbers of people. At this level, joy leads many to become spiritual and inspirational teachers, healers, great artists, or even architects who create the great cathedrals that involve sacred geometry, great inspirational music, and the production of beauty in all its forms. Many major persuasions of Christianity including Roman Catholicism, Anglicanism, Christian Science, and many small denominations such as the Quakers calibrate on this level. [560] – Carl Jung was at this level. Sigmund Freud was below the level of 500 because of his denial of man’s spirituality, whereas Jung affirmed the spiritual nature of human beings. [575] – The level consciousness of ecstasy. [600]- A Course in Miracles (Workbook year of 365 days of lessons.) According to David Hawkins, ACIM calibrates around 600+, making it very factual, and quite enlightening. Here is what Hawkins says about the Bible: Quote: The Old Testament calibrates at only 190. However, Genesis is at 660, Psalms is 650, Proverbs is 350. If these are excluded then the remaining Old Testament calibrates at only 125. The New Testament calibrates at 640. However if Revelations were removed (calibrates at only 70) then the New Testament would calibrate at 790. The current bible calibrates at 475 as a whole. To make it authentically “Holy” as the title implies, it would have to exclude all of the books of the Old Testament (except Genesis, Psalms and Proverbs) and Revelations. If that were done, then the bible would be truly “Holy” and calibrate at over 740. Importantly, the Lamsa version of the bible (Translated from Aramaic, Jesus’ language) is more accurate than the King James Version (translated from Greek). It calibrates 20 points higher. If the Lamsa bible excluded the old testament (except Genesis, Psalms, Proverbs) and revelations it would calibrate at 810. If Revelations were removed from the Lamsa version of the New Testament, it would calibrate at a whopping 880. Society calibrates at 204 I think he said, with great minds on earth calibrating around 499-510 ranges. So at least according to Hawkins, ACIM is very important and highly relevant work. Hawkins own books calibrate from 850-999.5 ranges them, with 1000 being maximum for humanity – that is what Jesus was when he was walking the earth. Hawkins further says that in his calibration studies, students of ACIM at lesson 75 become “Immune” to negative stimuli. He says that this seems to be the critical point in the studies, but that they must be followed from 1-75 before it all really clicks for people. [600] – Peace – This level is associated with the experience designated by such terms as transcendence, Self-Realization, and Christ consciousness. It is extremely rare. Only 1 in 10,000,000 attain this at any given time. It is quite common that individuals at this level remove themselves from society, as the state of bliss that ensues precludes ordinary activity. Some become spiritual teachers; others work anonymously for the betterment of mankind. A few also become great geniuses in their respective fields and make major contributions to society. These individuals are saintly and may eventually be officially designated as such, although at this level, formal religion is commonly transcended and replaced by pure spirituality, from which religions originated. Bliss intervenes at this level and worldly activities stop, sometimes permanently. This level is also noted for the crossing over from the perceptual world of duality, to the perceptual world of Nonduality. Beyond this level, previous lives are easily remembered as well as the circumstances and significance of each life. One individual at this level counterbalances 10,000,000 below the level of 200. Perception at this level is reported as sometimes occurring in seemingly slow motion, suspended in time and space. Nothing is stationary and all is alive and radiant. Although this world is the same one that is seen by others, it has become continuously fluid, evolving in an exquisitely coordinated evolutionary dance in which significance and source are overwhelming. There is an infinite silence in the mind, which has stopped conceptualizing. Enlightenment is reached at levels 600 and higher. A Tibetan abbot once said that Peace is of the greatest importance in our world today. In the absence of peace, we lose what we have gained. In the presence of peace, all things are possible: love, compassion, and forgiveness. Peace is the source of all things. This is also the level of kinesiology. [605]- The level of the Kabbalah and Aurobindo. It is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal/mysterious Creator and the mortal/finite universe. [610] – The level of Lao Tzu and his teachings. [630] – The calibration of the phrase Om Namaha Shivaya. [640] – The King James Version of the New Testament. [650] – The Book of Psalms. Also the level of ‘I AM’ awareness and Awareness of the ‘I’ as being or is-ness. Also the level of “Shanti Shanti Shanti”. The Lord’s Prayer also calibrates on this level. [660] – The perception of the Self as simply Existence. [700-1000] – Self-Realization and Enlightenment – An individual at this level counterbalances the negativity of 70,000,000 individuals below the level of 200. This is also the level of Sages. The Self is seen as God Manifest. The Declaration of Independence resonates at this level. The Koran also resonates at this level, as it was written before the fall of Mohamed after he ‘took up the sword’. [700s] – The Aura emanating from individuals calibrating at this level has an attraction and an effect on visitors. They like to be near the presence of these individuals because they feel incredible inner peace. Serenity replaces fear and anxiety in those who are around individuals on this level. A typical statement given by a person on this level would be something like “There is no world to save; reality is just an illusion.” A statement such as this is not understandable to most at lower levels. [700] – The level of the phrase Om Mane Padme Hum [705] – The level of the Rig Veda [700+] – There are 22 sages on this planet who calibrate at this level or higher, according to Dr. Hawkins. Of those, 20 of them are at 800 or more, of whom there are 10 at or over 900, and one sage at 990. [740] – The mantra Om, as opposed to Aum, which is a serious alternation and is why it calibrates at the extremely low-level of 65. This is also the level of the New Testament, if the Book of Revelations is included. This is also the level of Mohamed at the time he wrote the Koran, before dropping to 130 after he ‘took up the sword’ at age 38. ‘I’ is seen as a total statement As the Ultimate Reality. [750] – Manifestation calibrates at this level. What appears to be change is the emergence of potentiality out of essence into manifestation. This is also the level of the Lamsa translation of the New Testament from Aramaic. [760] – Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi [780] – The Heart Sutra and the Lotus Sutra. [795] – Bodhidharma as well as the Zen teachings. [800] – Teacher of Enlightenment. [800s] – There is not much that is known about this level range. However, it is seen that salvation of all of humanity is a main priority and concern. [810] – The level of Ramayana [840] – The Self is seen as Beyond Existence or Nonexistence. [850] – The higher Self as Logos. This is also the level of Hinduism currently. Also the level of Void, Oneness, Nothingness, Reality as Consciousness, and Reality as Awareness. [855] – The level of Allness [890] – Hinayana Buddhism (lesser vehicle) and Zen Buddhism. [800s and 900s] – Salvation of humanity as a whole is of primary concern. Spiritual reality, essences, and understandings are of importance. Form and its details are irrelevant except as a necessary style for communication. Physical discomfort starts to increase quite visibly in these levels of consciousness. [900] – Buddhism was this level in the 6th century AD. The teachings of this particular religion have deteriorated less than any other religion. [910] – The Bhagavad-Gita [930] – the level of the esoteric teachings of Jesus Christ as of the 2nd century AD, some of which survived in the Gnostic texts. “After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings.” ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace. [960] – Mahayana Buddhism (greater vehicle). Also the level of Huang Po (his book “Dharma of Mind Transmission” is at the level of the void 850, and was written before Po transcended to 960). [965] – The Buddha’s Law of Dependent Origination or Interdependent Co-Creation. [965] – Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, by David R. Hawkins [970] – The Upanishads The Upanishads -are Hindu scriptures that constitute the core teachings of Vedanta. The Upanishads have exerted an important influence on the Hindu philosophy and were collectively considered one of the 100 Most Influential Books Ever Written by the British poet Martin Seymour-Smith. [985] – This is the level of an Avatar. [990] – There is only one living sage at this level, according to Dr. Hawkins. [999] – The statement “There is no cause of anything” calibrates at this level. [1000] – This is the maximum energy level that can be tolerated by the human body and nervous system. It is the extremely rare level of avatars from ages past. No human has ever existed with a consciousness calibration higher than 1000. The archetypes Christ, Buddha, and Krishna are at this level. This state is also the existence of Buddhahood, Christ Consciousness, At-Oneness with the Source Manifest and Unmanifest. Beyond the human realm of consciousness possibility: [1000+] – Buddhahood, Brahman, Christ, Krishna, The ‘I’ of Ultimate Reality. Infinity – The Source of reality manifest as divinity. The supreme creation Source of consciousness eternal. The Source of all that is. Interesting Facts Concerning consciousness calibration, there are some very interesting facts. * Powerful patterns are associated with health; weak patterns are associated with sickness. Every thought, emotion, word & action has one pattern or the other. Every moment of our day we are either moving towards health or sickness. * Everything calibrates at certain levels from weak to high including books, food, water, clothes, people, animals, buildings, cars, movies, sports, music etc. * A good amount of the music today calibrates at levels below 200. Hence it leads to behavior associated with lower energy levels of consciousness. * Most movies will weaken people who watch them by bringing their energy levels down below the 200 level of consciousness. * 85% of the human race calibrates below the critical level of 200. * The power of the few individuals at the top counterbalances the weakness of the masses. o 1 individual at level 300 counterbalances 90,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 400 counterbalances 400,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 500 counterbalances 750,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 600 counterbalances 10 million individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 700 counterbalances 70 million individuals below level 200 o 12 individuals at level 700 equal one Avatar (eg. Buddha, Jesus, Krishna) at level 1,000 * Any meaningful human satisfaction cannot even commence until the level of 250 where some degree of self-confidence begins to emerge. * When one’s consciousness falls below 200 at any given moment you start to lose power and thus grow weaker and more prone to be manipulated by one’s surroundings. * Parts of one’s life will calibrate at a higher level of consciousness while other parts will calibrate a lower levels. It’s the overall average that determines one’s consciousness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ List of Books – muscle tested by D. Hawkins BOOKS Bhagavad-Gita 910 Vedas 910 Zohar 720 Ramayana 810 Mahabarata 780 Kabala 720 Apocrypha 740 Tora 740 Koran 700 Heart Sutra 780 Lotus Sutra 780 Diamond Sutra 700 Gospel of Thomas 660 Dead Sea Scrolls 650 Book of Kells 570 Vedanta 595 King James bible 475 Lamsa bible 495 Genesis (Lamsa) 660 Psalms 650 Proverbs 350 New Testament (KJ) 640 Lamsa bible (minus Old Testament& revelations, but including Genesis, Psalms, & Proverbs 880 Tibetan Book of the Dead 575 San Hedron 240 Yoga sutras (Patanjali) 630 A Cource In Miracles 600 Book of Mormon 510 SPIRITUAL PRACTICES Christian communion 700 Transcendental Meditation 220 Qiqong 195 Tai chi 310 Hatha yoga 260 Kung Fu 410 Rebirthing 250 Est 400 Sedona Releasing 490 Avatar workshops 245 Seth books 470 Reiki 285 Scientology 195 Rosicrucian 405 Science of Mind 405 I Ching 430 Theosophy 365 Druids 450 PRAYERS AND MANTRAS Lord’s Prayer 650 Om 740 Om Namaha Shivaya 630 Shanti Shanti 650 Om Mane Padme Hum 700 Gregorian Chants 595 Japa 525 Jesus’ Prayer 525 Rosary 515 Prayer of Jabez 310 Cursing (Lord’s name in vain) 45 Damning people to hell 15 Ankh (symbol) 160 Shaktipat Energy 160 SPIRITUAL CONCEPTS “None get to heaven but by me” 940 Eye of the I 900 I (as divinity) 980/998 I (as allness) 990 I (as void) 990 I (as supreme) 1000 Buddha Nature 1000 Justice 380 Justice as “eye for an eye” 375 Theology 460 RELIGIONS BUDDHISM Mahayana 980 Zen 890 Hinayana 890 Lotus Land 740 Tantric 515 Tibetan 490 Won 405 CHRISTIANITY 1st Century 980 After Council of Nicea 485 College of Cardinals 490 Papacy 570 Coptic 475 Born Again 350 Gnostic 290 Modern Protestantism 510 Christian Science 410 Modern Catholicism 440 Jesuit Order 440 Catholic position on pedophelia 90 Amish 375 Quakers 505 Unity 540 Pentacostal 310 Puritan 210 TV Evangelist 205 LDS (Mormon) 390 7th Day Adventist 190 Right Wing fundamentalist 95 Right wing fund. Tv evang. 90 Jehovah’s Witness 195 HINDU Ancient 700 Modern 499 Hari Krishna 460 Subud 470 Sikh 420 Tamal Siddha Vedanta 330 Raja Yoga 485 Sahaj Marg 410 Jainism 495 Islam 700 Current Mohamadism 325 Muslims 205 Shiite Muslims 55 Judaism (modern) 530 Shinto 350 Taoism 500 Unification Church 150 Wicca 160 New Ageism 185 NAMES OF GOD Buddha Nature (as allness) 1000 Buddha Nature (as void) 980 Native American Great Spirit 850 Yahweh 460 Jehovah 205 Elohim 100 God of Old Testament 100 Greek Gods 90 Germanic Gods 90 Scandinavian Gods 90 Gods of War 90 Pagan Gods 100 Name of God as “OM” tests negative God Transcendent 1000 God Immanent 1000 SPIRITUAL TITLES Master 700 Saint 700 Lord 1000 Angels 550 Archangels 50,000 Enlightenment 600 Teacher of the Way to Enlightenment 800 Pope 570 True Guru 540 + Guru (prior to 1960’s) 540 Guru (since the ’60’s) 190 Baba 190 SPIRITUAL TEACHER CALIBRATIONS Avatars Jesus Christ 1000 Buddha 1000 Krishna 1000 Zoroaster 1000 Spiritual Teachers Huang Po 960 Gandhi 760 Mother Theresa 710 Meister Eckhart 700 Chief Detroit 650 Karmapa 630 Muktananda 750 Vivekananda 610 Ramakrishna 620 Rabbi Moses de Leon 720 Nisargadatta Maharaj 720 Ramana Maharshi 720 Ramesh Balsekar 760 Confucius 590 St. Patrick 590 Wallace Black Elk 499 John Calvin 580 John Wesley 360 Martin Luther 580 Dalai Lama 570 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 410 Robert Powell 575 Joel Goldsmith 455 HWL Poonja 370 Wei Wu Wei 475 Charles Filmore 485 Padmasambava 595 Satchitananda 605 Meher Baba 240 Sri Karumay 221 Tenzin Gyaltsen 599 Alice Bailey 445 Vernon Howard 455 Patanjali 660 Peter Ousepensky 335 Robert Schuller 405 Thich Naht Hahn 460 Nostradamus 220 Yogananda 540 Lao Tzu 520 Alan Watts 485 John Blofield 465 Poonjaji 520 Bernadette Roberts 445 Ram Das 420 Chungliang Al Huang 405 C.W. Leadbetter 485 John Bradshaw 460 M Scott Peck 475 Gangaji 475 Joseph Smith 520 Emmett Fox 470 Thomas Merton 520 Hazrat Khan 499 Sant Thahar Singh 315 C.S. Lewis 390 Sri Siva (Sri Guruji) 220 Joseph Campbell 410 Source: Dr. David Hawkins numerous books and seminars including Power Vs. Force and Dr. Hawkins June 28 2003 Sedona Seminar. Gloria in Excelsis Deo! Source: https://nancybragin.com/2012/12/29/dr-david-hawkins-calibrated-reading-list/ NAMASTE

@Butters imo you are neither. You are nothingness. The perception of being the witnesser or the doer are both just sensory experiences imo

He seems to be very wrong. Absolute Infinity could include finitude. It seems to be more fundamental than even nothingness. And you can conceive of a substance you wouldn't be able to pattern-recognize as either nothingness or somethingness, it would be "something else". And you could imagine infinite of these substances and different combinations and interactions or equivalents of interactions. But like, maybe Undefinable Nameless Unnameable is a better term?

It might do you well to try to strawman your awakenings and debunk them and steelman other perspectives. Because I remember in preschool after having seen a galaxy puzzle gazing off into my daydream of a black void, trying to figure out what there is when you go back in time, why that exists, why that exists, why that exists, the insanity that anything exists at all. It turns out the explanation is the existence of the Absolute, and Absolute Infinity, and you can have awakenings of what your consciousness can do, but then trying to strawman them by contextualizing them in the context of scientific materialism or Tom Campbell can have interesting effects. Like the eternity experience is not eternity, it's just a "virtual reality" with a much slower or much faster speed being fed through the computer to create the illusion for the dumb human consciousness that reality has an infinite explanation, when such explanation was never necessary and finite explanation may be all that is necessary. There's the problem with stuff like scientific materialism where it turns reality into parts or a system, and then uses parts or a system to explain the parts or a system without explaining why that stuff exists. Same with Tom Campbell. The absolute nature of reality can appear to fit itself down into the perception of these systems. Reality is able to infinitely run away from itself, and create finitude and debunk the existence of infinity, AND REALLY DO IT, if it's going to properly have the power of infinity. But then the causality or acausality of that can get confusing. From what we've previously known, the moment ten years ago and the moment now should be able to interact or have some connection by infinity or a nothingness that is in both of them, BUT that nothingness may just be another limited thing with Absolutely no relation to the previous moment. Previous understanding is that when you realize nothingness you are just discovering something that was true the whole time, and YET it can be absolutely conceived that ACTUALLY the finite perception was true and required no nothingness. Paradoxes like this. It's not just drugs that cause a temporary infinite increase of consciousness we can't explain though. We can't explain the causality of anything really. After living in the physical world for a long time there's an illusion that you understand why things and objects have motion and color the way they do in the environment the way they do, but this is mostly just pattern recognition of a process we aren't controlling or understanding, since the stream of sensations seems to be fed to us. Like feel like we "know" why we see water when we look at an ocean, but it's just pattern recognition of a complex process of the pixels of color and frames per second of shapes one moment then motioning over to another where we don't directly control or grasp the whole mechanics of this, and why putting your fingers in the water generates a different field of tactile sensations that correlates with a complex nervous system in the fingers is lost on us even as though we may have a scientific understanding of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom forming water, we don't know why that process has an appearance of being water as we know it in our visual field with the quality of "blueness". Or if atoms always existed and were discovered or were "invented" by the universe to explain what happens when you look that small. Are abstractions real and infinitely connected to all parts of reality on a continuum, or are they evolutionarily generated/imagined as subtle structures by the mind disconnected from the past that existed before? If your question of the drug is a relative question, it's difficult like all relative questions of any scale seem to be. If it's an absolute question you're just asking why anything exists at all, which is a question that can merge with the relative of why any relative system exists at all inasmuch as it is part of the absolute. But then water for instance is not merely so much oxygen and hydrogen put together---the combination is simply a backstory for enabling the sight of a new thing called water and what that new thing really is is quite another matter, to what degree that it exists as a single line independent of other relative systems or is infinitely caused by infinite finite systems or finite infinite systems. It's a mystery of perception or a not-mystery if we allow the finite room to exist and just say that's how it is. From a sort of absolute perspective everything will happen and in reality systems far more bizarre than this human pattern one, so yeah, being in a normal ordinary human state, smoking a drug one day, and then having a literally infinite increase in consciousness---it's statistically unlikely to happen, like infinitely unlikely, but this is accounted for by the absolute, by the relative it does suggest some kind of relative intelligent design. Fine tuning argument. But from the perspective of infinite relativity being real there are infinite relative causalities at all levels flowing/streaming into the circumstances of the drug experience, infinite planes of existence. When you see water that's just the infinite water plane connecting to the infinite awareness you are. When you go to the 5-MeO space that's a plane that has a connection to this one. OR, Tom Campbell is right, in which case drug experiences are just a data feed. Like Mario eating a mushroom.

In Leo’s “Absolute Infinity Demo” (blog Nov. 29, 2017), the white sheet of paper which represents infinity is exactly equivalent to George Spencer-Brown’s “unmarked state,” from his 1969 mathematical text Laws of Form. This is interesting because John C. Lilly, who invented the flotation tank and tripped hard on acid and K in there amongst his dolphins, was using Laws of Form as his “guidebook to other universes” (cf. The Dyadic Cyclone). The key difference is that Spencer-Brown’s “unmarked state” is the context for “the first distinction,” which truly is the one and only distinction and all the “forms” of Laws of Form are exactly forms of the *indication* of the first distinction. Forms are thus the emptiness of the unmarked state, interdependent arising (pratityasamutpada) in the unmarked state. The first distinction is also something profoundly present in the ultimate structure of reality on Leo’s account: the Singularity! The potential connections here are quite rich because Laws of Form was hugely influential upon cybernetics and systems theory, and continues to be influential today in math and interdisciplinary arts and sciences (Distinction: Journal of Form, The Spencer-Brown Society, Laws of Form conferences, etc.). Spencer-Brown was fully enlightened, was the Buddha Tathagata, was on lots of acid (was a hypnotist and psychotherapist, close friend of R. D. Laing) which undoubtedly afforded purification of consciousness and even complete breakthrough to the realization of nothingness. The “unmarked state” is the white light, is Enlightenment, is nothingness, is the Absolute Infinite Ultimate Reality, is God. This is a perfect cross-over with Leo’s vision! The “first distinction “ is not a static entity but the crossing-point of transcendence: it is the absolute cosmological singularity of creation from nothing, from absolutely everything. It is the ever-present origin (Gebser’s, of course, but also the phenomenological-ontological Urbewegung or Urdynamik of the great scientist and theosophical mystic Hedwig Conrad-Martius), and it is the Pure Self-Referebce that is the Spirit, Penultimate Reality. It is also the point at which the pen strikes the page in the book in which all things are written. It is also the magic point of the purple crayon in Harold and the Purple Crayon, or the magic marker of Spencer-Brown’s “marked state.” The unmarked state is the nothing, the Absolute Infinite Ultimate Reality, and it is the “page of assertion” in Peirce’s Existential Graphs (though Peirce’s metaphysics doesn’t have sufficient architectonic analogues, despite being “ceno-Pythagorean”). The point is there are so so many parallels in the convergence upon truth, in the increasingly integrated integral philosophy-as-integration, which is such a powerful resource for the advancement of metaphysical science ascending through infinity! With Leo leading the way of astonishing insights thanks to the power of that glorious divine reference-experience that is pure consciousness, integration with the mathesis universalis et scientia naturalis perennis is an opening aperture of spirit in an world that will profoundly benefit from the ultimate paradigmatic revolution that the Absolute Infinite grants!

Thinking that concepts can connect you to the beauty of God is a deep trap of the egoic mind. God is beyond all concepts, and that is also where enlightenment is. It's a beauty to behold the lengths to which the ego goes to avoid being in Silence because it knows that if it truly understands its own inadequacy, it will soon disappear into the nothingness from which it came. And Leo does not want to disappear - he still gets a lot of juice from the concept of Leo, the wise one, the conceptual identity of the amazing intellectual teacher of metaphysics. Who is Leo without his pride in his metaphysics? Nothing. Back to God -- when you try to conceptualize God, you are trying to put something abstract, perfect, and infinite into symbols (words and thoughts) that are limited, specific, and just overall imperfect. As a result, you end up with a lot of inaccuracies, as most of Leo's content about God and the metaphysics of life is. But he will never admit that a lot of his teachings are inaccurate because his whole identity is built upon him being right in his metaphysical understanding. If he truly understood - if he clearly saw that he was wrong - that would be a huge hit to his ego, and he would do anything to protect himself against that. If you are truly enlightened and live from Silence, you don't become an anti-vax Trump voter -- you now operate from a place of intuitive knowing -- and from that place, you know that nothing here is real and nothing matters -- why worry who runs the world or what effect vaccines have --- it's all a meaningless dream of your own creation. In fact, being identified with a conceptual identity is what creates physical ailments -- that's why Leo is so ridden with diseases and finds no cure - because the disease is himself as Leo -- Leo has to disappear for the disease to go away. Silence is what heals. Medicine of the dream only provides temporary relief from symptoms, which eventually come back anyway. He is stuck in the dream trying to figure out why the dream characters act the way they do; he judges them and calls them stupid, thus cementing himself as a conceptual entity. Who is the stupid one - Donald Trump or a dreamer of the dream who judges the characters he himself is dreaming? Haha. Leo knows intellectually that this is a dream but makes it real to himself psychologically by judging it, going deep into politics, and so on, as though any of this actually matters. Imagine how foolish it is to be dreaming a dream at night and to be so engrossed in politics and other unreal things created by your dreaming mind that you have no actual connection to your divine nature, which is pure Silence. See how this type of thinking is a level higher than anything Leo ever writes? Not that it matters what a non-existant dream entity called Leo does and thinks, but it's helpful to see the traps the mind gets you into.

My Philosophy Section 1: Cosmology & Ontology Ground of Being (Part 1) Before anything, or anything in particular, rather, such as space and time, there already is a presence. Before everything, before reality, before illusion, or even meaning itself, there is this presence. The presence is irreducible; the presence is unquantifiable. It cannot be divided nor can it be multiplied. Nothing can be added upon it and nothing can be subtracted from it. There is nothing to compare this presence with, and there is almost nothing that can be said about it. Nothing, save for this: the presence is absolute. This presence is not nothingness. This presence is not emptiness. Rather, this presence is wholeness itself. This presence is completeness itself. But what is it that is so whole that it can be described as "wholeness itself"? What can be so complete that it is described as "completeness itself"? The Eternal Primordial Current (Part 2) Beyond the apparent dynamism, beyond the constant change of experiences as well as the experience of change itself — the change of environments, the changing space-time and the bodies occupying the space-time, and the changing states of matter — beyond all this apparent change is an unchanging flow. There is a flow. It is not a flow of any real movement or change, no. It is, rather, a flow of continuity, like a circle — a perfect circle if I may add. This is the presence I mentioned earlier. But what is it? What exactly continues, or flows, unchanging and unstopping ? What is the primordial current, and why is it eternal? It is the flow of awareness — pure awareness. Yes. How is .. or why call it pure? Because on the ground of being, on the absolute level of all of reality, there is only one beingness. Thus, any awareness that can be (and is) present on such a level plane of existence, well, it can only ever be a self-awareness — a total self-awareness — as there is literally nothing else but being itself to be aware of. And so I call this total awareness pure because in truth it is pure. It is pure because it is the only true awareness that there is at the ground of being. It is pure because it is self-awareness or self-referential awareness, if you will. One may even call it, as I personally do, the total awareness of truth. Truth is simply that which is the case, and what could be the case at the ground of being if not the Sein — beingness itself. This is why it is eternal, because there is nothing outside of it that can change it. The flow, not of change or movement, but of continuity, is the truth itself (unopposed and unchallengeable). Knowledge as the Primordial Current (Part 3) In your life, what is it that you've known or otherwise continue to know, that is neither concept (our sole idea of what something is) or percept (how we perceive something is), and is actually based on direct awareness and understanding? I'll make the question even more fair. What is it, in your entire existence, that you've known or still do know, if not your very capacity to know? Think about it. The only true knowledge you have is the knowledge of knowledge itself. This is what you know, that there is a knowing going on. There is no particular knower during this knowing, hence it is a circle, hence it is a flow. Self-awareness is the only true and timeless knowledge that there is. I say self awareness because the awareness itself is self-referential — it knows nothing other than itself, other than it knows. to be continued ...

All of that won't help you either . You underestimate how serious death is . This fear of death is the key to all of your deep metaphysical fears you have like fear of annihilation or permanente nothingness ..fear of hell ..fear of non-existence etc. And what's worse is two facts : 1-nobody has ever died and came back to report back to us what comes after death. (I don't care about NDEs .I had one myself . I was about to die drwoning in the sea .) 2-you can only know what death is by actually dying.

Unfathomable. In the face of cosmic emptiness vast, We tremble, our existence unsurpassed By the sheer weight of all unknown, Eternity's silence, cold as stone. Yet in this void, a whisper calls, Echoing through time's endless halls. Surrender, it breathes, let go, release, And find in nothingness, infinite peace. The universe's maw, once terrifying, Now beckons with a love undying. In its depths, beyond mortal fear, Lies bliss so pure, so crystal clear. As we fall into the endless night, We're bathed in strange, ethereal light. Our essence merges with all that is, In cosmic union, eternal bliss. Here, in the heart of oblivion, We find a friendship beyond dominion. The stars, the void, the cosmic sea, All whisper: "You are part of me." Time loses meaning, death its sting, As we become one with everything. Immortality not in flesh, but soul, Merged with the universe, vast and whole. The terror of our insignificance Transforms to joy, to reverence. For in this endless, timeless space, We find love's purest, deepest grace. So let us dive into the unknown, Where seeds of cosmic truth are sown. For in surrender, we shall find The boundless bliss of the infinite mind.

I had god realisation without drugs. It wasn’t even in relation to spiritual practice. It just happened one day during a deep dive enquiry into what I was cause I was trying to omit bias from my observation. My entire reality dissapeared including my body and sense of self. I still had the ability to question the singularity I found myself in which was beyond consciousness ( god) it was a singularity of awareness ( source) before god ( consciousness or knowing created itself by awareness turning back on itself making a self reference) it explored this formless and boundless singularity before recognising itself and remembering it was god. The shock shot me back into reality, body, self identity and left me speechless as a debunked atheist sitting in a chair wondering wtf just happened. I’d never heard of a psychedelic. I subsiquently did psychedelics to contrast the experience and with the exception of the buzzing energy, it was the same ( 5MeO) formless infinity before anything at all. I found myself using psychedelics to chase states of ecstacy because I knew how to move the mind to get there. I had already remembered being that which is, so never had a bad trip nor did I ever really have visuals or any of the journeys people describe. It’s mostly all formless in a realm of ideas before they are fractured and built up. But I was not doing it off my own efforts as a fractal of consciousness. It was the substance. I cut it way back and started disciplining my mind instead, right back to the very thought of dissolving the self being an inhibiting factor to dissolution. I did one marijuana ceremony where I dissolved all belief so much I couldn’t get back to reality until I recreated it all from scratch. I gained a more comprehensive understanding as a human of how I as consciousness was imagining everything into existence and was holding it there by believing it was real… self deception. Very tricky. I went off all psychedelics and substance including coffee and alchohol or psychoactive stimulant to try and become more acutely sensitive to mentation. On four occasions at work I lost the belief of reality and it dissolved into the singularity. To others back in the reality, that looked like the body fainting unconscious. The body was taking place in the others perspective. My perspective dissolved and joined back with the totology or source awareness. Black/white nothingness. I don’t have much to learn in that state anymore so I now create relative preferences from which to experience life. I don’t judge others nor do I feel emotional reaction to judgment of opinion from others much anymore. It’s just life living itself. That doesn’t mean that my little personality doesn’t create boundaries. At some point its perception of its own form in relation to another form has a distinction but it’s for the purpose of experiencing reality (relativity), not placing itself in a moral high ground. there are many stories and narratives to be explored here, including the varying states of consciousness itself and the realms one can go into. Removing one’s self from the senses and ceasing all movement of the mind goes back to the singularity but there is always another world and ego that forms. It seems that is what the mind does. Creates worlds to experience. ive woken up in realms I could have mistaken myself for having taken mushrooms or dmt. I’ve had a few 5MeO white light happenings. I’ve had one completely conscious out of body or ‘reality shift’ intentionally from start to finish and it was that experience that proved to me there’s nothing but awareness experiencing consciousness in a dream. I don’t control where I go but I know the frequency at which it happens diminishes when I stop routinely disciplining the mind. This last year I have done nothing at all and even my dreams have diminished. Only recently going back to quiet practice, has it started happening again. it depends how engrossed in the belief of the reality I guess but my being learns these things by contrasting between and making distinctions…

@Leo Gura Here's the problem I'm having. It may very well be the case (according to the problem I'm having) that mechanical intelligence and stuff dealing with thinking of mechanical stuff with a particular concreteness of thought is more accomplishing than, say, something which is infinitely more complex but less dense as a unit (such as Nothingness or other abstract planes). For example I could experience electrical bliss and ecstasy in the body and see into other realms which are very complex and have real overlap with this reality, and there's apparent infinite intelligence there, and I could get everything I've ever wanted. But I still may have issue understanding how bridges are built. On the face of it this could be terrible advice. Most of your fantasies ideally wouldn't be consigned to fantasy, they would be acted on.

Gura's new course revealed : A cutting edge brand-new course on how not to create a course. Possible name for the course: a higher perspective on nothingness of the course

To make the following post more readable you should remember that sentences with parentheses stands on their own ground without them. There are no sound arguments for the possibility of negation being a perpetual function of the human mind because negation in general is itself a condition for all possibilities. If negation is a perpetual function of the human mind then in following the above it is so necessarily, and if it is not such a function then also that is necessary (its impossibility) If we imagine the following two distinct situations Situation A: Regarding the proposition that all humans have bald heads examples of some hairy heads will contradict it. Situation B: Regarding the proposition that a given head is bald it is affirmed by it having no hair on the head. The semantic and intentions of the propositions are not real things, the aim of this post is to refer to real things, real experiences, and then to contextualise these and explain the character of those experiences by that context. The reality of the former situation induces negation between identities while the reality of the latter situation does not (and could not by itself) induce any negation. But if the reality of the latter situation were focused on in itself independent of propositional semantics and intentions then my argument is that negation in general will be present with that situation B by informing you of the possibility of its (the situation's) absence, the conception of this possibility is often present in these moments (you can validate it experientially) and it is this proclivity I am attempting to explain. If negation in general (negation as a contrast for all things) were impossible then why would we spontaneously conceive that a given moment is actual / could have possibly evaporated? If negation in general (negation as a contrast for all things) were necessary (not therefore given to us independent of experiences) then what appears positive or additional in the antithetical relation between two predicates is actually self-referential, that is, that propositional instantiations of the concept of negation partakes in the general negation which were a necessary function between identities prior to propositions (prior to particularisation of subjects and their predication).

This was the first time I had a direct experience of something - or rather, nothing - as a result of one of Leo's videos (in this case it was 'Why is there something rather than nothing?' if anyone is interested). At least one as potent and instantaneously eye-opening as this one. As I contemplated the concept of 'nothing' and the concept of everything being nothing, something suddenly clicked in my brain and I could see it. It is tricky to explain how it appeared to me but I will make an attempt so that someone else may share my experience, too. Instead of seeing 'nothing' as some separate realm, something completely oppositional and removed from what we are experiencing right now, instead consider it as an element of it. Since nothing is comprised of literally nothing, and since non-existence does not exist, one can see that this nothingness, this non existence, is boundless and is everywhere. Since it doesn't exist, it doesn't have a form or a destination or anything to it whatsoever. It is silky dark matter without a jar to contain it, it is ever-permeating and flows like a snap of the fingers, like water, like a black hole, like none of these things but these are the mental images that the feeling of it conjures up in me so follow this feeling with me if you tend to understand things more intuitively. It is everywhere because it is a complete and total opposite, untouchable and unmovable because to touch or to move it is to change it into a component of something. I hope this has made sense! I do not know if it did, as it is something that makes a lot more sense once you 'see' it for yourself. I am also sharing this because this realization has brought me a lot of peace. Directly before this happened, I was going through what could be referred to as an existential crisis of sorts, a sudden and extreme fear of death that I had not felt since childhood. However, after this realization struck me, although I did not immediately understand why, I immediately knew that my problem had been solved and that there was nothing to worry about. Nothing cannot touch you, it has already touched you, it is already encapsulating you and because of this you will always be safe from it. It isn't scary because I know now what it is. It has been here the whole time.

while i agree that its inherent for the mind to fill in gaps, some stories tend to enforce more imagination than others. if i tell you to imagine infinite goodness, eternal love beauty and bliss, you will have all sorts of ideas of what that would be like. if i tell you to imagine absolute Nothingness on the other hand, well.. i agree

In the end — it’s all about falling so deeply in love with silence that all the noise of the world and of the mind fades away into nothingness from which it came and we re-awaken to our silent glory forever and ever. You are being very patient with the princess expressing her lack of silence, and without silence there is no wisdom. Good job ☺️🙏

So you value more locked states of consciousness more than peak states? Although I don't see how stillness/emptiness/nothingness is always present and not subject to temporality? It's not like consciousness which can be always spotted and present, which is life itself. What is your present experience right now? could you tell me honestly?

I don't. Infinite, consciousness or any experience is the gift of the Truth, however it is temporary. However, Stillness, emptiness and Nothingness is what We really are. Our true nature.

Oh God. Silence is already the case. It's called nothing/nothingness/no-thing/emptiness/stillness/aliveness/boundlessness/fulfillment/freedom/Absolute/God/liberation/unconditional love......you call it what you want. One cannot hear it because everything is it. The silence you speak of arises from it. There is nothing but it. What you are listening to and what you call silence is a replica of it. All you hear and see is silence appearing as noise. Silence cannot be heard or known or listened to because all there is is that.

What's up, y'all. First trip report in years. No, the title is not clickbait, I actually became Trump on today's trip (read on). A little context... From 2019-2023, ALL my LSD/mushroom trips ran exactly the same. Light-hearted "museum" dose trips where I explored my senses and let my consciousness roam around my environment. But 2024-now? Trips literally teleport me between "this" reality and somewhere else. In today's 3.5g mushroom trip, I had the usual come-up symptoms: - tingly feeling along spine - visual enhancements - clear insights I lied down on my hotel room floor, windows shades open, so the sun could shine on my body. The warmth felt amazing. When it felt natural I got up and sat in my bed (like I was on a roller coaster waiting to depart the station). I got really cold so I put on several layers. What happened next I could not have predicted. I felt like I hitched a ride on a rocket ship leaving the planet - no control. I surrendered my entire being. I became the earth. Climate change took over. As the earth, I watched forests get wiped-out by 10,000 mph winds. Earthquakes shaking all civilization down. Then, even more shocking... I BECAME Donald Trump. I merged with his consciousness and experienced billionaire wealth and supreme commander power. It felt great and shockingly I felt no resistance (I'm not a Trump fan by the way). From here I got up and looked out of my 6th floor hotel window. I observed the busy Taco Bell with pure awareness. I felt the struggle of the drive thru patrons as they confusingly navigated the poor set-up. All seen from an eagle-view. What happened next is where it got CRAZY. I slid into my FIRST EVER rodeo with infinite love. I get swept up in a fuckin oceanic hurricane of deep, pure love. I started flipping around my hotel room. I tore my bed apart and summer-salted off of it 2 or 3 times (somehow didn't sustain any injuries). Just when I thought it was over, it was not. The love kept getting more and more infinite. It was so good I couldn't fucking believe it... pure ecstasy. I could literally hear the frequency in my ears getting higher and higher as I soared beyond reality. I thought of Ken Wilber, Peter Ralston, Leo. I realized I'm creating them and I became conscious of how I was doing it. The whole time I felt like I was orgasming HARD from my root through my ribs. Tears slowly and gently leaked out of my eyes and into nothingness. I knew trips could take you places, but this was a totally different level. Who else has had such experiences???

I'd like to share these two videos with you, both salvia experiences. One is a state of complete love and nothingness and the other of hell. My point is, both could be true in the afterlife. But both are the same since both is consciousness. In the grand scheme, all will be experienced yet nothing eternal, because only consciousness itself is eternal. Is karma real, meaning do your actions have influence on your next life or is it completely random? We can't know. That's my 2 cents on it.

Yo lmfao. What can you realize above the love, forget even Nothingness, lol.

As a deeply intuitive guy, I resonate with this. I had a similar thing happening playing GeoGuessr. Guessing the place up to a few kms from a simple road or random bush. It could be intuition or precognition unless the game is designed to feed you close calls to hook you on it. (No matter where you click, afterwards it tells you you were close. How could you tell anyways?) I commonly experience stuff like guessing how many individual units there are in a bunch of things without counting, beating people in rock paper scissors 12 times in a row, guessing what time it is randomly when waking up or in the middle of the night, guessing people's names, professions, and Zodiac signs. One time I guessed all three from a single person, lol, left his jaw hanging. Little gut feeling warnings of caution in split-second situations. Thinking about someone I haven't seen in years or months and him calling me randomly a few hours later. I learned intuitively how to do astral projection by hearing some instructions for a few seconds, and I also had mystical experiences just starting meditation with no prior experience. It is super easy to get delusional and fall into self-deception in the realm of the paranormal and ESP. But on the other hand, don't let materialism hold you back. Contemplate the mechanics of existence for yourself from absolute scratch with the utmost epistemological rigor. I tried channeling a few times by writing on my laptop's keyboard with my eyes closed, and sometimes my fingers write the words almost before I can think them. It's feels like catching a stream of water while swimming in the ocean, or a warm current of air while sky gliding. Apparently, you can get into some sort of state of consciousness, call it trance or vibration or whatever, that facilitates or increases the likelihood of this happening. Bashar says it's getting in the gamma brain waves. So people who genetically are more prone to gamma waves would have increased and more accurate ESP experiences. Think about it. How are thoughts even possible? Do thoughts belong to you? Are they you? Where do they come from? Where are thoughts located? What are thoughts besides symbols? Thoughts are literally non-physical perception. They are a stream of intelligence (of different degrees) mixed with self-awareness and nothingness. Notice you don't have full control over them, only partial influence. Why do you have a specific thought rather than a different one? You can explain it with the brain and the subconscious mind, but they are just crutches. Sensory organs and the brain are another epistemological crutch. How is experience or perception possible because of a brain or sensory organs? In the end, they don't explain anything. Materialism breaks when you keep asking " but why?" Consciousness can imagine perception into existence without the need for any sensory organs or the brain. Point being, I resonate with this dude whether this is the game trying to hook you on it or actual ESP.