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You can get to a point where your love surpasses any kind of porn you can find on the internet. No amount of porn can equate to this love I speak of. Why? Because it’s Alien Love.

Good luck not being thirsty when you’re a high libido man and totally deprived of female physical contact for years upon years upon years, really destroys a guy inside. There’s no hiding the thirst because the moment you open a qt she already knows what you want. Needy and desperate on the other hand, those are concealable. I sure haven’t. I’ve found that girls will usually be as unhelpful as humanly possible in pickup If anything I’ve made more progress with the polite robot than anything else. In no way do I relate to your typical stacies and beckies; they are alien to me, and malevolent ones at that. What do I have to relate to them about? Nobody cares if you both like kombucha or you’re both wearing jeans. We are as different as night and day on everything from music to philosophy to what makes us angry to social media usage to sexual experience and most of all humor, effectively everything that matters. I know there are different types of girls out there but I mean it when I say there isn’t enough. Not enough to find one that isn’t already taken or claims to be taken anyway. So there goes the hope of being relatable unless I either become a chameleon or fundamentally change who I am. Or am I missing something? But wouldn’t that also run the risk of tempting you to emulate their behavior, there goes your authenticity if that happens? Here’s the problem with that, and this is a very important thing I’m about to say: I can watch the interaction like an NSA agent. But it won’t help one bit if the feedback I get doesn’t accurately reflect what they’re really feeling. I’m not going to learn jack shit if all they do is give me that blank faced fluoride stare the whole time and give me one worded responses. Girls also for some reason like to deliberately disguise their true feelings as something else. They’ll pretend to be interested in the conversation only to later complain to their friends/bfs/authority figures about that super weird dude (me) that thought he was good enough to talk to them for some reason and how deeply uncomfortable they were the whole time. I wish I was making this up. It’s virtually impossible to calibrate if I’m going to be misled and back stabbed like that.

@Jowblob you have quoted our Alien Friend👽! How nice😉

@Princess Arabia I don't know if you have noticed when our Alien Friend says: "Meaning is something that is ascribed; nature is an objective reality". Yes, yes, I know, it is perhaps a CGI video, but... this quote is somehow deep... I reckon two major groups on this forum are having a discussion battle about what IS. One group puts "story" and "meaning" before what IS; the other instead believes that it IS first and any story about IT or giving meaning to IT does not in any way change the nature of what IS. Take Love, for example. The nature of Love is to give, share, and care selflessly. The nature of water is that it is wet in a liquid state, of fire that it is hot, and of Hate that it strives for annihilation. My point is that no story, no playing with effects in a photo or painting changes what IS. Even what is only imagined has its own nature. And although imagined elements appear and disappear, their nature does with them. It is assigned to them. In this universe, liquid water feels wet, but ice feels cold. It is possible that our Alien Friend is right, and there are infinite universes; in one of them, the water may taste like chocolate. I don't see any obstacles, although I believe that even there, Love remains what it IS - the only real space for any imagination.

Nice one. Especially what our Alien Friend has to say about „meaning” and „morality”. Enjoy!

If anyone is interested enough in this topic for 5-10 mins of reading, a section of the philosophy book I'm writing deals with some of the difficulties in creating an AGI. The tldr version is that artificial intelligence doesn't actually understand anything, and a capacity for understanding isn't something that can just be programmed into a computer. Rather, understanding is an embodied process that relies on Reality having consequences for the being in question. Unlike living beings, AIs have no 'skin in the game' as far as thier interactions with Reality. Living beings and digital computers are organized around very different axiomatic principles, so it's an open question as to whether or not a capacity for understanding can be replicated in a disembodied AI. ______________________________ What Artificial Intelligence Can Teach Us About Minds As of the time of this book’s writing in 2023, machine learning algorithms such as ChatGPT have advanced to the point where their responses to questions can correspond to an impressive degree with how human beings use written language. ChatGPT’s ability to incorporate context in conversationally appropriate ways makes interacting with these models feel uncannily natural at times. Of course, training an AI language model to interact with humans in ways that feel natural is far from an easy problem to solve, so all due credit to AI researchers for their accomplishments. Yet in spite of all this, it’s also accurate to point out that artificial intelligence programs don't actually understand anything. This is because understanding involves far more than just responding to input in situationally appropriate ways. Rather, understanding is grounded in fundamental capacities that machine learning algorithms lack. Foremost among these is a form of concernful absorption within a world of lasting consequences; i.e., capacity for Care. To establish why understanding is coupled to Care, it will be helpful to explore what it means to understand something. To understand something means to engage in a process of acquiring, integrating, and embodying information. Breaking down each of these steps in a bit more detail : (1) Acquisition is the act of taking in or generating new information. (2) Integration involves synthesizing, or differentiating and linking, this new information with what one already knows. (3) Embodiment refers to how this information gets embedded into our existing organizational structure, informing the ways in which we think and behave. What’s important to note about this process is that it ends up changing us in some way. Moreover, the steps in this sequence are fundamentally relational, stemming from our interactions with the world. While machine intelligence can be quite adept at the first stage of this sequence, owing to the fact that digital computers can accumulate, store, and access information far more efficiently than a human being, it’s in the latter steps that they fall flat in comparison to living minds. This is because integration and embodiment are forms of growth that stem from how minds are interconnected to living bodies. In contrast, existing forms of machine intelligence are fundamentally disembodied, owing to the fact that digital computers are organized around wholly different operating principles than that of living organisms. For minds that grow out of living systems, interconnections between a body and a mind, and between a body-mind and an environment, is what allows interactions with Reality to be consequential for us. This is an outcome of the fact that our mind’s existence is sustained by the ongoing maintenance of our living bodies, and vice versa. If our living bodies fail, our minds fail. Likewise, if our minds fail, our bodies will soon follow, unless artificially kept alive through external mechanisms. Another hallmark of living systems is that they’re capable of producing and maintaining their own parts; in fact, your body replaces about one percent of its cellular components on a daily basis. This is evident in the way that a cut on your finger will heal, and within a few days effectively erase any evidence of its existence. One term for this ability of biological systems to produce and maintain their own parts is autopoiesis (a combination of the ancient Greek words for ‘self’ and ‘creation’). The basic principles behind autopoiesis don't just hold true for your skin, but for your brain as well. While the neurons that make up your brain aren’t renewed in the same way that skin or bone cells are, the brain itself has a remarkable degree of plasticity. What plasticity refers to is our brain’s ability to adaptively alter its structure and functioning. And the way that our brains manage to do this is through changes in how bundles of neurons (known as ‘synapses’) are connected to one another. How we end up using our mind has a direct (though not straightforward) influence on the strength of synaptic connections between different regions of our brain; which in turn influences how our mind develops. Accordingly, this is also the reason why the science fiction idea of ‘uploading’ a person’s mind to a computer is pure fantasy, because how a mind functions is inextricably bound with the network of interconnections in which that mind is embodied. This fundamental circularity between our autopoietic living body and our mind is the foundation of embodied intelligence, which is what allows us to engage with the world through Care. Precisely because autopoietic circularity is so tightly bound with feedback mechanisms that are inherent to Life, it’s proven extraordinarily challenging to create analogues for this process in non-living entities. As such, it’s yet to be demonstrated whether or not autopoietic circularity can be replicated, even in principle, through the system of deterministic rules that governs digital computers. Furthermore, giving machine learning models access to a robotic ‘body’ isn’t enough, on its own, to make these entities truly embodied. This is because embodiment involves far more than having access to and control of a body. Rather, embodiment is a way of encapsulating the rich tapestry of interconnections between an intelligence and the physical processes that grant it access to a world (keeping in mind that everything that your body does, from metabolism to sensory perception, is a type of process). For the sake of argument, however, let’s assume that the challenges involved in the creation of embodied artificial intelligence are ultimately surmountable. Because embodiment is coupled to a capacity for Care, the creation of embodied artificial intelligence has the potential to open a Pandora’s box of difficult ethical questions that we may not be prepared for (and this is in addition to the disruptive effects that AI is already having on our society). Precisely because Care is grounded in interactions having very real consequences for a being, by extension this also brings with it a possibility for suffering. For human beings, having adequate access to food, safety, companionship, and opportunities to self actualize aren’t abstractions, nor are they something that we relate to in a disengaged way. Rather, as beings with a capacity for Care, when we’re deprived of what we need from Reality, we end up suffering in real ways. Assuming that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for Care is even possible, it would behoove us to tread extraordinarily carefully since this could result in beings with a capacity to suffer in ways that we might not be able to fully understand or imagine (since it’s likely that their needs may end up being considerably different than that of a living being). And of course, there’s the undeniable fact that humanity, as a whole, has had a rather poor track record when it comes to how we respond to those that we don’t understand. For some perspective, it’s only relatively recently that the idea of universal human rights achieved some modicum of acceptance in our emerging global society, and our world still has a long way to go towards the actualization of these professed ideals. By extension, our world’s circle of concern hasn’t expanded to include the suffering of animals in factory farms, let alone to non-living entities that have the potential to be far more alien to us than cows or chickens. Of course, that’s not to imply that ‘humanity’ is a monolith that will respond to AI in just one way. Rather, the ways that beings of this type will be treated will almost certainly be as diverse as the multitude of ways that people treat one another. Of course, all of this is assuming that the obstacles on the road to embodied artificial intelligence are surmountable, which is far from a given. It could very well be that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for understanding is beyond what the axioms of what the rules of digital computation allow for. And that apparent progress towards machine understanding is analogous to thinking that one has made tangible progress towards reaching the moon because one has managed to climb halfway up a very tall tree. Yet given the enormity of the stakes involved, it’s a possibility that’s worth taking seriously. For what it’s worth, we’ll be in a much better position to chart a wise course for the challenges that lie ahead if we approach it with a higher degree of self understanding.

I'm not talking about "awakening", you realized you're God ok fine That is only part of what I'm talking about which is to actualize yourself as God ... < Cat < Human < Alien < ...

I get where you are going and I'm telling you awakening is not human - it is Infinite Consciousness. Call that alien if you wish but note that the term is relative. Alien as opposed to what? Human? Ok. Well, what if I told you that "human" is completely imaginary and made up? So are cats, and so are aliens.

Thank you for that post. Then I don't have to write something similiar, end can enjoy the sunday focusing on other endeavours. But what would happen to our little drama show here if that were not or no longer the case? One could start worrying a bit about the drama factor of the show winding down considering the possibility that certain key players get tired and actually could consider getting off the hamster mill & tail chasing. And getting tired of being only temporarily relieved in their self-contraction by grasping at the beauty of trying to understand the infinity of the manifested side of consiousness n+1 so to say. And actually winding down and ending the "you" or self-contraction, as Inliytened1 mentioned. The contraction=ego=separate self=suffering burning, dying and evaporting in the obvious omnisience of ones own True, Enternal and Infinite Being. Being replaced by the relieve of knowing ones True Self to be all arisings and manifestation, no matter how high or low or alien or eartly or n+1. Now, ever since, and forever, no matter how much confusion arises again this life or the next. But considering how much ingeniuty Infinite Reality put into the autopoiesis of the ego/separate-self delusion-arisings/Gestalt (all the way up to the very top of the mountain), probably not much to worry considering the continuation of the gig. But who knows... Selling Water by the River

I would tell you that it is surely interesting, but no matter how broad it is, it will be a finite perspective, and being a cat I can access infinity because everything, including rats, are the absolute total infinity. So, there are only two kinds of state, the finite and the infinite. Within the finite state are there other higher states? Sure, but being finite, why stick to them? It doesn't matter if you are a cat, rat, alien or dog shit, you are always the absolute total infinity, so enjoy what you are.

Substances are an essential part of the full circle of awakening. Alien Consciousness isn’t that far fetched and seems logical. I’m really not sure why you feel the need to put someone down in that way? Jealous? It’s not very awake tho. I’m not claiming I’m awake, I wouldn’t be so arrogant or immodest. Everyone is on an even playing field to me. Feel the love.

Razard has covered all of what awakening is - as have I. Leo has as well but the problem is he didn't awaken himself. He did so via psychedelics but that ain't awakening. And now he thinks there is something beyond awakening. Beyond all things. Alien consciousness. Well - I hate to break the hard cold truth to you- but take it from someone who actually has awakened from the dream - this is a fiction.

*sigh* Time to call in the alien carpet cleaning professionals… again 🙄

That’s an alien!

@something_else Jesus Fucking Christ man how about a trigger warning before making me read a post like that, I almost smashed my phone on the ground. They kicked you out because you whispered something in a girl’s ear. If a guy complained to a bouncer about a girl doing that (or really anything for that matter) he’d laugh in their face and say get lost. Women bothering men is treated like a joke not just in clubs but just about everywhere else in life as well. But the gynocentrism is better exemplified in night clubs than pretty much anywhere else. Check out this segment from an article I read and tell me if u think it’s real. Knowing how our egregiously sexist society is I’d say it’s one hundred percent true. “Literally the last time I went to a club I saw a normal, perfectly reasonable looking average guy, get bumped from behind at the bar and he 100% accidentally spilled some of his beer on a young lady’s suede high heeled shoes. Her mouth dropped open and her eyes were suddenly furious with rage. He was mid sentence, I couldn’t hear what he said, but I am guessing it was something like, “I’m so sorry let me buy you a-“ But he couldn’t finish his sentence as her bony knee shot like lightning straight up into his nuts. As her other high heel acted as the fulcrum for her weight and she leaned back a bit and her arms went flailing out to keep her balance. She got some really great momentum into the move, all of her violent force going bye-bye straight into his drink-spilling crotch. I’ve seen some knees, and this was top-notch. He fell instantly to the ground and, ironically, dropped the entire rest of his pint all over her other shoe. In my opinion, serves her right. It was an accident! She stormed off in a huff and complained to the staff as he laid there dry heaving, probably wondering what his new life of ball-lessness was going to be like. The bouncer showed up and Mr. Average was removed from the club while everyone stared and laughed, it was pretty hilarious.” Anyhow, Leo was your first replier to that thread and he said even he’s been kicked out of clubs, this was surprising to me because when I posted complaining about my experience he said something along the lines of “you have to act like the biggest jackass in the world to get kicked out of a bar.” I know it’s not a club but the social dynamics are still quite similar. So was he acting like a massive jackass to get told to leave? In my experience that’s not true at all. And reading your thread confirms it. The next reply is a girl (Preety) chiming in to let us know she finds it “hot” that he’s been given the boot a time or two. So you get kicked out for an incomprehensibly retarded reason despite people saying you have to act like a total lunatic for that to happen, Leo tells you to toughen up about it and that it’s even happened to him before, then a girl comes along to tell us she finds it hot when you would think girls should find it a turnoff considering girls getting the ick is the entire problem here. This world is literally not fucking real. Yes, calibrate as in you better walk on eggshells around the all mighty woman because you’re constantly on very thin ice and one small slip up away from being figuratively burned at the stake. Awesome to know. That makes me feel just terrific about my possibility of ever getting better at attracting these humanoid alien creatures. Seriously, if an alien came to earth to study our current human mating rituals when they saw the vast amounts of bullshit the males have to go through just to get a chance at achieving one of the most basic functions of life they’d be absolutely dumbfounded like “by golly, it’s actually like you’re trying to learn how to slay a dragon” LOL I mean if there’s an unspoken list containing the most basic and harmless little things that somehow give girls the ick of which you can’t possibly know all of them until it’s too late, how are you supposed to not just play it safe and constantly be on guard lest you burn your bridges before you even have any idea wtf you did wrong? I’m sure there is some way to do that but goddamn bro, things sure don’t look good

Could you perceive very singular things, even completely alien to the usual paradigm, by playing with his consciousness/his imagination? Do you have a such experience ?

Some of what I wrote here was from stuff I had written from my trips 3 to 4 years ago and some recent ones. These are my personal views and yours may be very different. When connected to the infinite mind or should I say you when you become it you always were it. I never thought this would be human and it was not and nor are you. Yes from a limited human perspective, it will be very alien to you. If you increase your consciousness high enough you won't be human anymore or expect the infinite to have any human qualities. You are beyond being human but you know this because you become infinitely self-aware of who you truly are and it is scary when you awake as your true self. And you will most probably deny it for a time and believe you have gone into a drug-induced psychosis. When you experience alien consciousness you're just seeing it from another perspective or expression of a higher state of consciousness. All these aspects are your mind. I guess you could say you are starting from a higher state of awareness of consciousness. So if a so-called alien or a higher much more evolved being wanted to experience let's say a human perspective. It might find it fascinating experience. It would be limited and somewhat dumbed down for that though. Remember you are not just a giant mind you are an infinite mind that loves to imagine anything it wants. You are unlimited in what you can imagine. And you can also limit yourself to what you can imagine. So there are quite literally infinite states of consciousness. If you imagine there are higher states of awakening then there will be. If you imagine becoming or seeing through an alien mind on some distant planet in another highly advanced dimension then this will become your reality. Consciousness is existence itself is conscious of its own consciousness is infinite perspectives. Consciousness is not just integrating information it is creating information. And is infinite self-creativity. Consciousness defines its own self can reflect itself to know itself, and can copy itself. All is an infinite mind. Is everything and nothing at the same time is real and unreal is a dream of infinite dreams and pure imagination and infinite magic. Meaning it can create anything it wants infinity so. Life and death are imaginary just like this dream. well, you were never born to begin with so you can never die. And no you are not dead because this implies birth to begin with. You just are what is and what isn't take away ideas, concepts, and notions, and you are left with nothing but something. Ego is God and also imaginary without it this dream would not work. How smart is infinite intelligence try and contemplate this everything is your creation maths, science quantum physics cosmology ideas religions wars linguistics NDE's psychodelics all diversity I could go on forever. And to create everything and for it to work seamlessly or give the illusion of randomness. Randomness or a chaotic system can not create intelligence. Only intelligence can create randomness or the illusion of randomness. It's a very believable background story and it has to be for this to work and for an unlimited mind, it's as easy as pie. You gave meaning to meaning. You created the idea of an idea and evolution and all the background stories which well there never were any of these so-called humans they are all imaginary no human ever really created anything. You created it all yes you me I am you. I did this to trick myself into believing that others exist. You created this for the dream to work. You can work the rest out in other words only you can experience it for yourself only you can take this journey because there really only is you. How deep are you willing to go? Try and lose most of your attachments for a few months even the idea of you as this so-called human that he or she was born on this planet Earth and evolved from apes out of slime and slop and that there are others. I lost most of all my attachments for a while and in a way you do die or should I say what you held as a belief for all this time. Maybe call it your identity of whom you have been building all your life. Loss of identity or identity loss. I don't like the term ego death. This has only happened to me once on my second trip it was like having amnesia until I picked all my pieces up which took about 40 minutes to recover my identity. After that, I always was me or retained my identity to some degree. even when all my humanity had gone God is always God. I remember one time I went through what one could call insanity I experienced depression and all types of mental illnesses when I was on high doses of psychedelics and you have to go with it and let go. I got to see and feel what it was like from that point of view. So I had a new appreciation and understanding and respect of what it is like to live from that state of consciousness. Even what it is like to be a female for a few hours was one of the most beautiful experiences. Through all this, I always chose Love over everything, and I always will. You see Love is the very fabric of existence that is not built into existence it is the very nature the essence the very foundation of what you are is infinite Love. I chose to go back into the dream. And yes, you have to ground yourself and surround yourself with what made you human, to begin with, and It is not easy though once you awaken it is hard to undo it. The choice is yours and you will not even be in the same place and once you go beyond a certain point there is no going back to the same reality. And you may or more than likely lose your sanity for a time. You may be made aware of certain things that will conflict with your morals and ethics and I am not talking about solipsism. Although solipsism was still a bit of a shock I overcame it a few years ago. I would still be cautious but that is me. There is one thing I never mentioned on the biggest trips I had I didn't come back unscathed. I had well-developed OCD but the worst type I would not wish it upon anyone it took me a few days to work out what I had. The funny thing is I never had any symptoms of it and no mental illness runs in our family I have done a lot of drugs all my life. Even the doctor could not believe it. So late in the game, I went on SSRI for the past year and in that time I have taken a 7-gram dose of mushrooms well on SSRIs. It didn't seem to affect me. I would never recommend any of you do this ever. Although psilocybin has been shown to effectively treat depression in some cases and a number of other mental health conditions, there are some antidepressant medications that could have dangerous or undesirable interactions with the substance. It has taken me about a year and a half to come back and I am only now starting to ground myself. But then again I am imagining all this. Not so easy is it once you have broken through your own illusions your own traps within traps your own games and your imaginary mind. All this time you have only been chasing me you are me I am you.

Gave asperger syndrome a little read. Could be a mild form of it because many aspects aren't true for me. Like I can be very charismatic, I can speak in front of people etc. I still have huge problems connecting to other people though. When I was socially overwhelmed in mid school I sometimes walked around with my hands hanging in front of me like the Alien Roger Smith from American Dad. That Alien made more sense to me than humans and by mimicking the posture I felt closer to Roger. 👽

I currently take a high CBD 20:1 tincture (not smoked). I take it twice a day. I plan on eventually taking a 0:1 THC-only product once or twice a month as planned trips, but knowing my sensitivity to THC (and cannabis in general), that shit will probably fuck me up silly. So I’m in no rush to use that yet, as I’m still working on my human life. Long story short, that THC-only product will likely steer me towards Alien Consciousness.

What if im actually interested in alien consciousness? Im tired of most human crap and people. The world is too underdeveloped, most people are unconscious and i just cant stand stupidity. At the very most i would keep enjoying the positive side of being human by my own. Am not very interested in people as i said stupidity makes me angry and frustrated. Am just waiting to live on my own soon to use Leo psychedelic course for serious 5meo trips, reach enlightenment and get curious on how to tap into alien awareness. I feel totally capable for it. I would rather be an enlightened alien who trips on 5meo and lives a fully spiritual life doing astral projection, develop siddhis, contacting angels, masters, psychedelic entities, doing magick, meet goblins, travel the world and be a force of good by my own than live secure with the mob and its stupidity. I prefer to take the risk than regret not knowing what i could have become and discover. No, am totally apt for it. Hope leo get successful on teaching it. At least in a course.

I guess we want to make it so. We want to explain Consciousness away with logic. Yet logic is held within Consciousness. So I guess we are screwed. We can pawn it off as alien and all that - but ultimately we have to come back to what it is.

Consciousness wants to explore all different aspects of itself, including alien. However, that requires letting go of your current identity along with your ideas of what that different aspect is like. Letting go is not merely losing something, it’s also allowing something new to take its place. Also, when I say let go, I’m not saying to let go of your mind. That is an easy mistake to fall into. Mind is God. You lose your mind when you stop trusting yourself. Notice how you can see this in two very different ways: you stop trusting God you stop trusting your bullshit

Anyone know how reality is created? What is the exact mechanism? Or is this an inherent mystery? I've heard Leo talk about how on a psychedelic you can see how you are creating reality around yourself. I've experienced this too but I have forgot and it wasn't clear. Can anyone explain? All there is is consciousness. So when you raise your consciousness to higher and higher levels (maybe to alien consciousness?) Do you become aware of how consciousness creates reality?

So if all states of consciousness are the same but some are "higher" I guess you should prefer the higher one? Leo could spend his time drinking beer and watching sports but instead chooses "alien consciousness" and is recommending we do the same. It is a personal development forum after all. Also having "no mind" or "sports fan mind" or "alien consciousness" mind is technically all the same but I am guess Leo is saying the last one is the best way to be? Just like you would say "no mind" is better than being a heroin addict?

Everything is alien to God conciousness the paradox that God can instantly create something alien to itself. Very weird. What are you creating God? I don't know its so foreign to my experience I cannot fathom what I am doing. And God from the experience of its creation is home but also alien How does Leo know he was an alien or which alien he was could have been a rat and thought he was an alien. Did he know a language?. A dog conciousness compared to a human is alien. Tell us what you did leo did you look at yourself or see other alien or did you go up into the sky and go onto a ship or wake up from the human sim on an alien ship. Or were you a galaxy or something alien like that