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Stage blue is absolutist, conformist and the rise of civilization. Absolute belief in one right and true way. And obedience to authority. Relies solely in belief in some higher authority. A God. It is collectivist rather than individualistic. It seeks to be involved within the collective. It's life is intertwined with the life of the collective. The collectivist stages work for the higher good of the collective, whereas individualistic stages work for the development of the self. Strong emphasis on religion and the afterlife. If you take a stage blue person, and you talk with him about these values, you are going to become his best friend. Beware of a sneaky politician who would take all these keywords from this list and then go rallying and tell that stage blue audience everything it wants to hear. And that crowd will forever become loyal to that politician. That politician will tell them everything they believe in and everything they want to hear. The simple fact that you are watching a video about spiral dynamics on your own volition, this puts you on the spiral into the high orange, maybe green or even low yellow, stage wise. Also while watching this spiral dynamics video series, when you will be reading a stage's value set list, you will say in your mind, yes, that's it, this is what is good for me and the world. If you are at stage blue, You will agree with everything on the list bellow. But if you are at a higher stage you will disagree with most of the things on this list. Values of stage blue Absolute truth and ideology (They hold their ideology sacred. To them their truth is the absolute truth, there is no room for other truths, there is no room for other ideologies but the one that blue believes it is right.) Belief, faith and certainty in their set of values (There is a clear right and wrong) Stage Blue values hard work, discipline and duty. Law and order Justice ( Justice goes hand in hand with the enforcement of their truth, they want to enforce their civilization onto others, their worldview enforced onto others). Blue values hierarchy, social order and the status quo( there is no need to inovate and to be progressive. Our tradition, the way our ancestors did it is the absolute best way to live life) Blue values patriarchy ( Women are there to serve men! Men are the enforcers, they do all the hard work, and women get the benefits of that, and therefore the women should raise the childern and cook food. Women should not hold any position of power acording to blue. And this is not bad, that is the hirarchy, that's the role of the woman) Meaning and greater purpose( Blue's greater purpose is not selfish, it is to be a good citizen, to follow the rules, to be a good christian, to raise his family, or to be a good wife or a good husband, but ultimately is to serve God) Morality is huge for stage blue( A strong sense of right and wrong) Culture, Tradition and heritage( Those values are sacred to blue, they get extremely defensive when attacked on cultural or traditional ground! They need to defend to the teeth their culture and tradition and customs) Crusading for a righteous cause Serving God Theology and doctrine. Orthodoxy, dogma and conformity (Stage blue beliefs that absolute truth has been written by god himself in a book) Stage blue values family very highly Obedience and reverence Respect for your elders God and country (Patriotism, our country is the best country) Righteous living(you live your life according to principles, you have a strong moral code of conduct, you have a sense of honor Reputation (How others perceive you) Good manners, decency, dress etiquette, hair regulations, uniforms. They find profanity offensive. They find as blasphemy speaking down to authority, don't speak down to God. You need to submit to God. Blue values prayer. You pray to God for the things that you need. Blue values authority books like the Bible, the Quran, the constitution etc. Blue believes that you can write the absolute truth in a book. Pledges and allegiances, rituals and ceremonies. Very eager to obey authority, whether is the priest, the pope, mohamed, jesus, or a teacher. Blue values the afterlife. (Heaven, hell and salvation) Strict church attendance every Sunday. Blue wants extreme self control and the suppression of your emotions. Blue values charity, giving back to his community . Values loyalty and hates traitors( Traitors are people who refuse to obey the absolute truth that blue blindly follows) Blue values borders( Borders with their neighbours) Blue values integrity and good character When does blue emerge Blue emerges when the limitations of red are exhausted. Characteristics of blue For blue life has meaning direction and purpose, with predetermined outcomes. Blue always searches for order, security and stability Blue is trying to be concrete and likes to develop structures Dedicated, responsible and meticulous Trustworthy, predictible and loyal Righteous stable living Obedience is enforced through a sense of duty and guilt Blue tries to get rid of impure toughts from the mind. To blue the devil isn't a metaphorical symbol. It is something real. Blue is about surrendering worldly pleasures for reaching salvation for the afterlife. To blue everyone has a proper place within civilisation. Blue believes that the whole universe revolves around mankind, but not just mankind, it thinks that the only thing true in the universe is his race, his culture and his religion. Blue believes that God created the entire universe for the stage blue's culture and religion to be at the top! And rule over the ones who are different to it. Blue never questions authority, elders, religion, or teachers. Because it perceives that the former are the true carriers of the truth. Blue loves laws, regulations, and disciplining one's character. Blue enforces laws and order because otherwise we'd get chaos and anarchy. For blue reality is strictly objective. Has high rigidity, no open mindedness, and high dogma. Right and wrong are absolute, they are not social constructs. Cultural traditions and values are also absolutes, they are not social constructs. Blue has a very black and white worldview. For blue it is objectively defined what is good and what it is evil. There are no nuances. For blue you are with it or against it. Blue takes a very strict and literal approach to the interpretation of religious text. If the bible says that we should stone to death the homosexuals or the pagans, that's exactly what we should do. There is no questioning on whether this approach is a healthy approach, NO. THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD AND IT SHALL BE DONE. Blue fiercely defends religious doctrine against heresy and corruption. Blue thinks that his bible and his religion is the ultimate and absolute truth, so any deviation or any attack on his doctrine is the influence of the devil. To blue the heretics are those who try to make 'clever' interpretations of the bible. Blue is just a congregation of believers. Blue always invokes an anthropomorphic father figure god, at every situation that is happening. To blue God is a bearded man in the clouds that reigns supreme over the earth. God is a human. Because I am a human. Blue believes that there is a higher power, and that higher power wants it's civilisation to win against the heretics and the pagans. Blue believes that God wants his family to acquire more land, more wealth than the families of it's enemies. Blue believes that ultimate judgement will punish with eternal flames the wicked and the heretics and it will reward with infinite bliss all the good Christians. To blue heaven and hell aren't metaphors. They are literal places one goes after death. Blue believes that evil must be stamped out. Eradicated totally from the world. To blue God is in a grand battle against the devil. Blue is extremely judgemental with sinners. Blue rejects multiculturalism. To blue it's traditions, it's customs, it's culture is the best and all the other ones are inferior. They are lower on god's ultimate hierarchy. In blue's eyes foreigners, animals, trees and plants, and mother nature largely exists to serve stage blue mankind. To serve this one true civilisation. And everything which is not mankind shall be exploited and stripped of every resource. Blue fears the most being kicked out of his community. To be marginalized. To blue being kicked out of the church is the worst thing. It is life and death. Blue is all about conquering other lesser civilizations, about building an empire or kingdom. Examples of blue The middle east Romania Russia Cult of personality Nazi Germany Palestinians Zionists Saudi Arabia Christians Muslims Iran India China Patriotism Standing up for the national anthem Monasteries The religious right wing in America Conservatives Republicans Banning abortion and birth control Building border walls Anti-Immigration Witch trials Crusades White supremacy K K K The 10 commandments Noah's Arc Uniforms Catholic and Orthodox nuns George W Bush Mike Pence The Samurai Code Hindu Religion Alex Jones Fox News The second amendment Mandatory military service Virginity pledges Nationalism Queen Victoria's England Military families Police officers, Firefighters and in general blue collar workers. Religious terrorism Spanish inquisition Spanish conquistadors When a soldier jumps on a grenade. Take one for the team. Theocracy Prayer in school The colonial south( USA) Imperial Japan Patriarchy Culture warriors 20th century Marxism(Eastern bloc of the iron curtain). Grand cathedral and temples and mosques. Unequal women's rights Demonizing homosexuals Marriage Statistics of blue About 40% of the adult global population is blue. And about 30% of the cultural global influence is dominated by blue. If you live in a first world democracy you might be underestimating how much blue the world is, and even how much blue your first world country is. The style of government that comes in a state with a fully stage blue citizenry is an authoritarian regime. Very order driven, no separation between church and state, very theocratic. Always has imperialistic ambitions. To check whether a nation has outgrown blue, check if it has imperialistic ambitions or not. If it wants to expand it's current territory. What triggers blue Stage Red Stage Orange Stage Green Stage Yellow Relativism and not knowing. Uncertainty. Those trigger the hell out of blue. Atheism, Secularism, Skepticism. Because this goes at the heart of everything blue stands for which is absolute truth. This calls all their ideologies into question. Relativism strips blue of all it's certainties and absolute truths that it holds so dear. It is an existential threat to them. You cannot change a stage blue person. They are also triggered by post modernism, intellectuals and academic elites. Blue is triggered by Barack Obama. (To blue Obama represents this intellectual, overly academic, overly strategic, philosophical, relativistic, complex thinker, whom is multi-cultural, cares about considering values of different societies. NO! For blue this is treason. To blue Obama is a traitor. Obama was mostly in the green stage. And blue's sworn enemy is green. Blue hates the most stage green. Space cadets, philosophers and free thinkers. Hippies Sex Rock and heavy metal Rap music Materialism, hedonism Not fasting, not respecting the fast period, or the Ramadan Moral corruption triggers blue. Change to the traditional status quo. Changing things just for the sake of changing things. Progressivism Lawless, disorder, and anarchy. When justice is not served. When sinners get away with their sins. Lack of hierarchy. Terrorism. Multiculturalism and globalism Excessive selfishness and egotism. People who aren't willing to sacrifice for the team Disrespect for the status quo. Breaking agreements or the word given. Disloyalty to their civilization. Blue is very sensitive to traitors. A traitor is someone who betray the culture blue was indoctrinated into. Blue is triggered by the questioning of the existing orthodoxy. And by people who question classic social roles. Like the role of the woman in the household. Heresy and blasphemy Science encroaching on religion, blue is extremely sensitive when it sees the secularization of society Unhealthy manifestations of blue Ideology and radical fundamentalism Very closeminded, rigid, stubborn and unwilling to evolve. Blue will be unloving to those who are not within his inner circle of blue people. Traps the mind in rigid and intolerable rigid beliefs. Belief is confused with the truth. Blue gets stuck in one paradigm and no longer can snap out of it in order to see the world from other perspectives. Very prone to mob and herd mentality. Unable to think about metaphysics. Prone to idol worship. Worships the image of Jesus rather than the more abstract and metaphorical of his teachings. Constantly under the pressure of guilt Prone to hypocrisy. Because although it preaches about morality and holy living, blue is one of the most violent, most aggressive. (You cannot substitute a belief system with genuine spiritual purification) Low tolerance for outsiders Very judgmental and demonizing. Because blue believes in objective good and evil. Can easily justify cruelty with holy scriptures Closed to innovation Blue is sexually repressed Blue societies prohibit sexual education in schools Unable to make sense of the value that other cultures exhibit Blue has a lack of intellectual curiosity about the world. Closed to mysticism and nonduality Blue can have a lot of repressed anger Racist, Homophobic and misogynistic Can be oppressive to minorities Reads sacred text way to literally Prone to black and white thinking Prone to us vs them mentality Tends to not having compassion to the weaknesses and frailties of other people Blue is way too strict with their children, often times forcing them to adopt certain customs and traditions and codes of conduct. Blue cannot see the commonality between all the cultures and all religion Blue can be excessively bureaucratic and theocratic Prone to nationalism and communism The worst excesses of blue are genocide and ethnic cleansing Stage blue sayings God gave us this land This is the way god intended it to be They will be punished in the name of Jesus Make America great again A revival of traditional values Say what you do and do what you say Just stick to the rules Actions speak louder than words Honesty is the best policy Better safe than sorry Take one for the team Blood and soil How to transcend stage blue Read very deeply about stage blue, as you read about your current stage you gain self-awareness and therefore you start to observe the limitation of your current worldview. Also read in depth about the next stage which is stage orange. The thing that keeps you stuck in blue is the fact that you resist stage orange and green so much. Stop judging orange, green and yellow. Stop judging the hippies, the progressives and the liberals Stop judging the intellectuals, the elites and the globalists. Stop judging materialism and success, stop judging homosexuality Stop judging relativism, post-modernism, mysticism, new age spirituality (You are refusing to accept evolution due to the fear of the possible excesses which comes with evolution) Stop moralizing. So long you demonizing the inner demons of others you will continue to be stuck with your own inner demons. Stop clinging to tradition, let it go! Notice that all tradition eventually dies. Start thinking for yourself. Stop thinking along the rigid lines of the dogma you have been indoctrinated into. Start to question all authority. Notice that authority is often wrong, authority is often abusive. Therefore you need to become your own authority Start to notice the limitations of religion. There are much more effective ways of practicing spirituality than religion. Start to notice abuses of the church Notice that beliefs are extremely self-deceptive and that belief is not equivalent to truth and to reality. You could never capture reality within a system of beliefs. Notice that all beliefs are ultimately false and are just a creation of the human mind and that they are relative and are there only to serve the human ego. Start to be more rebellious Notice the limitations of judgments and moralism( Notice that when you are judging others you are actually judging yourself) Start to acknowledge that reality is more relative than you ever thought and this notion of absolute truth maybe doesn't exist at all. Start to acknowledge that good and evil do not exist( Notice that what you call evil, someone else calls good, and what you call good someone else calls evil, that depends on your ego and what your agenda is) Start to question whether God exists at all. Start to question what God is. Start to question your religion and culture Start to question your culture's so called exceptionalism( If you are blue you think your culture is the best) Start to notice that the hierarchy of your civilization is repressive and how it hurts other people, especially minorities. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the people who are being hurt by the hierarchy of your civilization's caste system Notice that is more fun being independent that being reliant on a culture or a set of beliefs or traditions. Start to read self-help books about success. Stop being an anal rule keeper. Relax your rules. Develop a thirst for personal success. Start to have a desire to climb the hierarchy. To get to the top. Strive to be the best at something. Notice that separation of church and state is a good thing. Notice that secularism is a good thing. You wouldn't want to live in a theocracy. Start to study history and start to study the abuses and excesses of stage blue nations throughout history. (Study the Nazis, study Hitler, Study Soviet Russia, Communism, Stalin, study the crusades, study the Spanish conquistadors) Start to see the enslavement of other races that have happened throughout history. Read and research for yourself. Develop a student mindset where you are eager to learn about anything. Read multiple perspectives. ( The problem with blue is that it surrounds itself only with other stage blue individuals and it lives in this bubble of stage blue perspectives, thus living inside an echo chamber and this way it cannot fathom the existence of other perspectives. Go to a diverse university so you get exposed to new perspectives and cultures. Start to study science Practice radical open mindedness. Notice that reality is much more complex and nuanced rather than black and white. Embrace your feminine side more Acknowledge that humans are not superior to animals Acknowledge that men are not superior to women Acknowledge that whites are not superior to any other minority And finally the master key for transcending any stage, especially stage blue, is to practice contemplation and self-reflection. Reflect on your own behavior and analyze where you are making mistakes.

I think when the false self dissapears your soul touch reality and your soul feels really good when it happens. So the bliss body is God and the good feeling comes when you touch it.

Bliss is, when ego isn't. What i am is what mind blocks thinking it knows better. Awareness of true self indeed activates this. Sat-chit-ananda is the real me.

this will be an intuitive writing of recent discoveries / experiences of mine. the last years ive been extremely dragged towards eating food. an extreme craving for food. that being said, i eat only 3 times per day very conssitently, and i maintain an extremely healthy diet, consisting mainly of fruits and vegetables. yet the 3 meals are the highlight of my day. however when i eat my breakfirst, i only have lunch in mind. when i eat lunch, i have dinner in mind. its an eternal circle of craving, and i eat like an animal when im finally at it, filling myself without any break. recently ive felt the intuition to slow down and eat more mindfully. I take a piece of food, chew it, swallow, and wait for however long it takes for my body to require more. i feel mindfully into the sensations and urges in my body. i might wait everything between 15 seconds to 2 minutes between every bite. what i've discovered is that what im craving when im stuffing myself with food, is not the actual food, nor the physical sensations and pleasure that comes from eating it. observing myself, my reactions and the food mindfully, i experience what i can only describe as an existential, profound non physical bliss it is bliss that compells me to eat it. it is bliss that i require, not the taste or anything else. Experiencing the bliss right beneath the physical sensations, the food in my mouth becomes trivial and insignifcant, yet its become more rich and beautiful than any piece of food i've ever had. This bliss is not exclusive to the food. It is not exclusive to anything. it is right below everything. its in music. its in my computer. its in my eyes. my ears. my body. and yet it is not confined to it. It is unlike anything ive ever experienced. it cannot be confined. it cannot be located. it is absolutley unbounded, omnipresent, yet nowhere at all. and yet it is absolutley there, and its always been there. a constant. It is distinctly different from physical bliss sensations,since I experience those in my body simultaneously through eating the food. Physical bliss is arising and passing, fluctuating, non constant. This non physical bliss is non fluctuating, constant, non arising and non passing. it is however uncovered and once again covered by a shroud of physicality only, it is clouded by a physical shroud of what the mind thinks it requires. Is this brahman? God? I can only feel that this is a glipmse of the divine. just right beneath everything, there exists unbounded, unconditional bliss. and it is absolutley all-pervasive. alan watts comes to mind: "there is a universe, for the simple reason that it is ecstatic"

Is Christianity basically working on Enlightenment, Absolute Truth, Tao, Supreme, State, etc? Basically what all the Other Eastern paths are teaching/working on? "Yes. If you look at Anapanasati as practiced in some parts of Buddhism, the point of the practice is to strengthen/realize Awareness itself, as well as what lies at the bottom of the breath(that's a little hint for you by the way since I know you're also working on this). That Awareness is the key to unlock the rest of the doors. When The Ego is detached from, you remain as Awareness, and then can merge with the Source of Awareness which is what everyone is working on, the Source being the same as what everyone is calling it by different names." How does the Christian access Awareness and Detachment from Ego? "There are a number of ways, but I will cover two of the most important. The first is the ritual of Baptism, which simply activates Grace. Once Grace comes over you, it is a direct experience and a living presence that indwells you from the top of your head and instantly gives you The Timeless Now, Transcendence, Detachment, Destroys the Ego, activated divine Love, and all that's left is you as Awareness devoid of everything else. Then just surrender and let go and you as Awareness will merge with the Source. There is then no more you to be found anywhere, but are also United with everything and everywhere at the same time. As far as the first part above goes, there may still remain some fragments/pieces of ego left over that continue to stir up. With that, we do the Jesus Prayer focused on the Heart area where the access to the Source is. By doing the Jesus Prayer on this specific area, several things are accomplished. The ego is not only busy with the prayer, but also awareness learns pure concentration while ignoring all other subconscious arisings. Eventually, Awareness realizes the Source of thought and enters into it. The place is a few inches to right of the Heart. With Awareness resting at the Source of thought, eventually the whole Ego/Subconscious mechanism is pulled at the root and only Spontaneous Union and Grace remain." Do many Monks reach these states that you speak of? "Of course not. As with all institutions, there are members at various levels of growth and realization. There are also various ego games, traps, arguments, politics, and some who never reach perfection. However, with many elders deep in various levels of the perfected state, they tend to oversee selflessly the rest of the flock, and many times their own infused energies of higher states are enough to get the beginners started on their own path." So there is such a thing as Infusing others with various activations that help them along? "Yes of course. When you are in close proximity with an Elder who is far on the stage of perfection, their own Awareness is so expanded, it literally has an effect on your own. That's what Halo's are in all the Spiritual paintings, not just in Christianity but also in Hindu-Vedic depictions and also those of Buddha himself. The Halo is just the inner Awareness that is you, prior to ego and body. It eventually expands beyond the head and many times you can see it on the elders." Are all those other Paths legit as well? Why did you choose Christianity instead of other paths? "There are many Universal similarities in all the paths. Detachment, Awareness, the Source, Discipline, Wisdom, Knowledge, and an Absolute Truth that can be experienced which is the prior underlying reality of all of reality. I tried various paths as a young man and college student and ended up staying with Christianity because the direct experiences and Grace came really fast for me. It took about a year of seriously getting into it that I started to experience ego death, the Now, Transcending all things (body, ideas, thoughts, self). Everything happened really fast through Grace. Some of the other paths I tried, I was getting experiences but they were at a snails pace. All that to say, I am not trying to discredit any of the other paths." Some people say Christianity is just a go-to-Church feel good about yourself singy songy wishy washy type of Religion where the majority of followers don't get any huge internal breakthrough's. "That happens with many paths. They eventually get watered down and become a facade of their former selves. Aren't various forms of hot-room Yoga's the hottest(pun intended) pop-forms of exercise in America these days? That's just one example. The actual Yoga (meaning Union, or to Unite with the Source) is a very advanced system of remaining Aware of the Body and Mind in the midst of various poses, all leading back to strengthening Awareness. One of the benefits of Yoga is that you may come across physical attributes that are tied to the workings of the Ego such as various physical knots or childhood traumas that can be released during certain stretches. Just as well, the channel that the Ego uses to take it's place as a veil over Awareness can also be opened during Yoga practice. So in essence, many of the Christian Monasteries, or even lay hermits, are genuinely working on inner planes through various degrees, techniques, practices, and Grace...all of which eventually lead to Tao, Source, God, Supreme, Absolute whatever you want to name the Nameless direct experience. Christianity has also become a watered down fast food western version of preaching, singing, and one hour a week of service. To really have breakthroughs, requires lengthy time spent in practice, detachment, prayer, meditation, etc. When Jesus went into the Desert for 40 days, that is something every Christian should do. 40 days in any retreat or wilderness will bring out the worst of the ego, the perfect opportunity to see that it isn't you and detach from it as Awareness." Did Christ exist and are his teachings real? "When Buddha said not to take his word for it and to see if what he says is true through direct experience, the same thing applies to the teachings of Christ. We put his teachings into practice and eventually start experiencing fascinating states directly for ourselves. You yourself are the experiment, the laboratory for testing to see what happens. When you start to experience the same things Christ taught, that tends to solidify his existence. Also, many Monks adore the Gospel of Thomas. If you read that Gospel, many of the sayings there are very Nondual sounding and tends to link back to everything else in the East. He speaks about alot about Oneness that is experiential" What about faith? I had a fellow argue with me that Christians have to use Faith and that since Faith is of the Ego, it's dealing with illusions of the mind "You only use faith for a little while, say agreeing to trust in, or have faith that this path may possibly take me where I want to go. Once you do experience the things you were looking for within and without, then there's no need for Faith because at that point there's no other choice then to directly live from direct experience of the Absolute. What about Christ saying he's the only way? If you look at what his Way is, it's a combination of ego death, enlightenment, Grace, Love, empathy, compassion, Tao, Absolute, Supreme, etc. So anyone who is working towards that goal is already following his path. One of the factors of Christianity that is interesting that is not found that much in many other paths is that of Ego-Death through Grace by the Holy Spirit entering the top of the head and opening all the channels and illuminating Awareness, while detaching all else. I believe I've come across something similar in my studies of Kashmir Shaivism. Also some people claim that Kundalini is the Holy Spirit, however I'm not to sure about that as Kundalini tends to be from the perenium and up the spine to the crown, whereas the Holy Spirit enters the head and goes down tot he feet. I would have to brush up on my studies however by researching the word Grace and it's existence in all the other paths On many occasions here during various services, you can feel the Spirit moving around the grounds and rooms of the Monastery. It enters you when you least expect it and slays or burns off any remaining ego fragments and fills you with divine transcendent Love & Bliss as a replacement. " So the Christian Path is a legit path towards Enlightenment? "Why yes of course. I understand you intend to share this discussion with a few brothers and sisters that are Buddhists and of various other paths. If they are already deep in their practice and making headway, then good for them, as it is exactly what Christ was all about. The one thing I feel is necessary to say is that Eastern Christian practice as done in the Eastern Orthodox monasteries is a complete system from beginning to end. I say that, because I found early on that in many other paths, you can merge with the Source, however there still remain ego fragments and the whole of the subconscious stirring up constantly and causing troubles for the rest of one's life. In our school, through the Jesus prayer, all of that is eventually snuffed out and there is a completion stage of perfection where even the body is transformed and filled with light flowing through all the opened channels. So there's a start and there's and end and can all be done in this lifetime. Of course the rest of life remains as a practice of making available to others the energies and Union that is within you by going out to the world and sharing the Light"

I've been reluctant to discuss this until it felt resolved, but more as a warning to those who choose to swim in deep water. Firstly, this needs to be prefaced by saying that I have the utmost respect for Leo and his willingness to share and be open about his experiences. Secondly, I consider myself a psychonaut with 20 years of experience. Perhaps not to the extent that some may consider, but to give some context: I've done 50+ ayahuasca experiences, 5-MeO breakthrough doses 5+ times, and at least 20 hugs/handshakes, as well as iboga, countless High doses LSD and mushroom trips, and various other experiences. I've never been on antidepressants and never felt suicidal. I've been open to the realms that these modalities offer, mostly out of curiosity and interest. On average, 99% of my trips have been good—challenging at times, but ultimately transformative. They have taken me to the edge, and I have learned through facing the fear. Of course, some trips involve shadow work, but I have come to embrace this wholeheartedly. So, this isn’t my first rodeo. I know what bad trips are like. Having worked with ayahuasca in the Amazon jungle for years, facing a multitude of spaces, I felt well-prepared. March 2024 I found Leo’s video on "The Other God Particle" interesting and located the substance from a very reputable source, trying Malt as per Leo's suggestion (plugging). My first experience was with a very light dose (7mg) to see if it was legit and matched his description. The first experience was incredible and exactly as he described. A light dose but I knew that it was legit However, I will say that my recollection of the experience soon disappeared after grounding. All in all, it was a net positive. A week later, I decided to increase the dose to 12mg - still fairly light Administered in the same way, this experience was even more beautiful. I navigated the space wonderfully, and at the peak, I was floating in a realm I can only describe as absolute bliss. Then, in an instant, like a switch being flipped, everything vanished. As high as I had been, it all disappeared. Gone. As infinitely vast as the love and bliss I had just experienced, I now found myself in the polar opposite. No matter what I did—no matter what shamanic tools I had spent over 10 years developing—nothing could resolve it. I was in a perpetual inversion of love. It felt like my entire existence was being sucked into a pit of disgust and sludge. I tried to engage with the state, to reason with it, but the only response was "No, no, no, no." I knew there was no way out. Just as one can experience infinite love in quintessential 5-MeO experiences, this was infinity—but of absolute hell. I eventually opened my eyes and found myself back in the room. I tried to shake it off. I grounded myself as best I could and wrote it off as a bad trip - and continue my day. However, instead of the high-frequency thoughts I was familiar with after a transformative ceremony, this was the opposite—horrible. Then Things Got Worse My dreams began to change. Upon waking, my thoughts felt alien, as if they were not my own. Almost every thought had a tint of something that was not love. Years of work connecting with divinity felt severed. For six months, it got progressively worse. At my deepest core, it felt as though my connection to divinity had been completely severed, and worse still, my thoughts were not pure. It wasn't that I was thinking of doing bad things to people, but I wasn’t thinking of doing good to myself. May 2024 During these months, I attempted a small handshake dose of classic 5-MeO. All seemed well until the very end when the same sludge and darkness filled the space. This was not what I was familiar with. I knew something was seriously wrong. June 2024 I tried a weed gummy - as the trip peaked, I felt an endless sensation of darkness and a perpetual cycle of sludge. I was with a woman I loved and felt nothing toward her. Worse, I felt disgust. As I tried to fall asleep, the only way I could describe it was being on a hamster wheel where I couldn't change my thoughts and they were perpetually relapsing this void of love. It felt as though the seed of my incarnation had flipped into the "opposite of love". Day by day, the world began to reflect that. I knew I needed to seek guidance—someone experienced in these realms. I consulted with various shamans and practitioners and decided to undergo a flood dose of 5-MeO to investigate what was happening. October 2024 The private retreat I attended conducted three ceremonies: one hug and two flood doses. The first hug felt like I was being torn between two worlds, one very dark, and one very light. It didn't last very long it wasn't profound but it wasn't anything like what I remember 5meo to be. Then came the flood dose. Just like before, I was hurled back into hell. It felt as if everything I loved was gone. It whispered to me that I would never experience true love again. It felt like the keys to the kingdom of heaven were gone. When I emerged from the second hit, I spoke to the shaman about where I had gone, and the only thought in my mind was how I would say goodbye to those I loved because I knew—without a doubt—that I was going to kill myself. I had gone from a happy, normal life to a single experience that flipped a switch and nearly destroyed me. After the second 5-MeO flood, the only thought that existed in my mind was, “I need to die.” Having touched divinity many times before, I knew I had broken something within myself. The shaman and I discussed the events surrounding my Malt experience and considered the possibility of an entity attack—something feeding on ‘Loosh.’ It’s an esoteric concept, but well-documented. If people are interested, I can share more. In this darkest of spaces, I decided to take a third flood dose, but this time with one singular intent: expelling whatever had attached itself to me. I had recently completed a Bobinsana dieta in Peru (November 2023). She is a protector, so I called on her spirits. I went in with everything I had, and the shaman did the same, knowing now that this was potentially paranormal or non-ordinary. Going back in, going into the darkness, the third ceremony was just like the second, Hell, all I tried doing was focus on love and perhaps even prayer and then, something happened. Like a flickering heartbeat of light, something reignited within me. Just as the switch had turned off in March, something switched back on. The dark sludge that had cloaked my perception vanished instantly. The only words that escaped my mouth were: “I’m back.” From that day onwards, I haven’t had a single feeling reminiscent of those six months. I recently had a deep mushroom trip, and it felt normal—full of the familiar mystical qualities and none of the vile, invasive frequencies. Conclusion I truly believe that whatever this was has left me. I believe it did not have my best interests at heart. I spoke with another person who had the exact same experience—at the peak, something dark touched his third eye, and for two years he wanted to kill himself. Some will say, “Oh, it was just your shadow.” Having worked in the Amazon, I know people who have encountered true evil. This could have been one of those cases. We swim in deep waters- Protect yourself in these states But the last thing I’ll leave you with is: Never give up.

I think psychedelics (psds from now on) are like giving a call to Shakti and saying; hey, let’s meet up. She comes and either you are pure and totally commited to be in an eternal relationship with her and no longer participate in most of the desires of the world, or she sees that you are not ready to totally commit, kisses you, and leaves. That’s how I will treat Her now. I will treat Her as Goddess with which I am in a commited sexual relationship with, and I am only no longer partaking in the desires in this dream. I eat only what is perfect for my body - mostly fruits and veggies, rice, etc. I go on walks, do yoga, but that’s pretty mych it. My attention is all on Her, so I live an outside life of utmost simplicity, but inside I am showered by infinite love. I basically live the same life Ananda Ma lived. No sex no other things just living in perfect bliss, being totally commited to that Bliss as though you are in a deep loving relationship with That. Isn’t that was she was teaching by demonstration? Look how blisfull I am and taken care of if I dedicate myself totally to God. I expect Her to take care of me financially in whatever way She sees fit. She might instruct me to do something and of course I will. Or she might just miraculously take care of me in Her way withoy any of my effort. I know that if I am with her all my worldly concerns are taken care of. That’s one of the benefits of being in a commited relationship with a Goddess. I won’t quit my job or anthing, but I expect something magical to happen without my effort. The hallmark of being ready to re-enter a relationship with Shakti is living from Peace. You can’t jump from ego, fear and resistence to Love. You go from the mind to Silence and then when you are identified with Shiva you can re-enter the relationship with Shakti. If you are not able to maintain a state of Peace throughout the day then you are not ready for Her. She will just drive you crazy. You have the potential to make bad decisions. You can also create a spiritual conceptual identity and get stuck in it. No, we use the mind only here and there and in between we surrender to her Love and live in Silent embrace. This might not work but I will try it. This is based on my experience and vision and it might transpire to be something magical. Total commitment to Peace and a life of utmost purity + low dosages of psds to call Her and hopefully to keep her. There might be a reintroduction period where we are closer and a bit futher apart, so the Love does not overwhelm me, but that is perfect. Still going to my job ofc, not going there high or anything, just trying this on the evening of Friday and seeing if it stays until Monday if I live as though I live only for Her. Perhaps I am all she wants and if she is all I want then our desires meet in beautiful unity and the state of Heaven is restored.

Here’s what I think: Psychedelics are merely agents in this dream we emplore to carry out our bidding in an indirect manner. Ultimately, there is nothing stopping us from choosing that state now, but since we believe that we are creatures of time and space we still have internal blocks that stop us from experiencing the full extent of the power of our mind because we are afraid of it. I don’t disagree that in the dream you could measure the dosages and see changes in brain chemicals and neurological activity, but those are merely effects. The cause of everything is our desire for it. And the only issue is that we must choose to emplore our desire consciously or unconsciously, masterfully or foolishly. What do you think? @Leo Gura throughout your hundreads of trips and reportedly omniscient levels of intelligence, have you not asked yourself why exactly can you not stay in that state permanently? Why does it leave you? If it’s all mind and you are the only mind there is — what must you be doing to leave that state? You know that those states are magnificient - all disease is healed there and all is perfect happiness. So why does it go away? What is the main blockage here? I loce that psychedelics show us that we can move about in a dream and barely be in it because if we fully surrender we would dissolve into mahasamadhi. But that is not the case now — why does that Infinite Love leave us? Why do we need to spend a lifetime of meditation to merely get glimpses of it? Don’t you think that the more advanced someone is the lower amounts of psychedelics they need and the longer they stay there? And ultimately, when you are clear and pure so as to for Heaven not to leave you, it does not. I’ve been able to maintain a state of unity and love for around 72 hours - 3 full days and nights. I did not sleep, only walked around in parks and enjoyed the beauty of God. I ate a few oranges and that was it. Every step I was showered with bliss and beauty. I was home, yet still walking within the dream. And I would have it none other way - I would love to spend a few years or decades in the borderlands between heaven and earth, with one foot in both, just to get used to that magnificient shift, as it can get uncomfortable to stay in that perfect love for long periods just because it’s so unfamiliar and everything is so new. Another thing about psychedelics is they show you if you are choosing Spirit or ego in an extreme way. If you enter the trip from a place of resistance - you will see that you are fucking up and it will be very difficult to stop doing it at that point. And it can be traumatic or at least very very uncomfortable and scary. But the lesson here is that you are doing this unto yourself. You have failed to properly control your internal state and are now seeing the effects. I wrote in another post that psychedelics can be violent — but actually, now I think that even that depends on you. I’ve had intense and uccomfortable trips where I got entangled in my mind and wasn’t able to escape the conceptual realm, which is horrible on psychedelics as they just show you how insane the conceptual mind is, but I’ve also had many more, like 50 of the 55 I’ve had which they were not only peaceful beyond understanding, but also where you dissilve into Love and you become formless infintie bliss itself. Hmm. It’s a shame there’s no one publicly available who has been able to lock in a psychedelic state. I see teachers who live from presence, but not a single one who is living from profound bliss and peace. And if he’s not careful and completly let’s go he would dissolve into mahasamadhi, so he still maintains a very basic desire or two, like food, which anchors you into the dream just a bit. But most of the days he spends in extreme bliss. Now is this a fantasy of what enlightenment truly is? How can it be a fantasy when I’ve lived that dozens of times, but only momentarily? I haven’t tripped properly for around a year now and I’ve advanced tremendously because of A Course in Miracles — obviously the wisest document/teaching/book/path in all of existence. I think I’ll try and see how long I can maintain it if I do not engage with the conceptual mind and live a very simple life where the human side is minimised and I mostly live in the embrace of God. What if that’s the secret to maintaining that state? I think at the end of the journey something magical like this can indeed happen. But you have to be ultra wise, like one in a billion wise. Yet when you remember that there’s literally only you, then is it really a stretch to think that this dream was built to be a perfect learning place only for you and you are now one of the wisest globally? I don’t think so. If you know that this is a dream which is symbolic of your state of mind and you also know that to escape the human domain, suffering and resistance, you must live from Silence, then psychedelics might just be a road to permanent enlightenment. Maybe. But this applies only to the most advanced few. To be honest - only to one human out of all the seeming billions. So, what are psychedelics in your opinion? How long have you been able to maintain a high state of consciousness and how was it? Do you have any theories as to why that state goes away? Do you think it’s possible for the most advanced ones to use this literally magical tool to awaken fully and stay awake? I was sceptical but I don’t know now - why not? Why couldn’t I extend those 72hours I’ve spent there to 100 and then 200 and then to forever? Very interesting.

This should come as no surprise. Like how there is ableism, racism, transphobia, etc. Ignorance is bliss.

@CoolDreamThanks thank you this info is helpful, I ordered that book you mentioned and another called " kundalini tantra " I had severe kundalini issues a few years back. If I try these practices il be very cautious. I have been doing Isha's practices for the last 3 years. Is kundalini yoga Jan esmans main sadhana as far as you know, bliss is what I'm looking for.

Theme: Exploration of the paradox of psychedelics as a spiritual practice—both as tools for deep transformation and as reminders that there is nothing to attain. How we`re gonna cover that - 3 steps 0- Foundations: Define spirituality & spiritual practice (thats a hard one) 1- The progressive Path/Model of spirituality & how psychedelics can assist that practice This is seen in most religious and mystical traditions: Buddhism (The Noble Eightfold Path, progressing toward Nirvana) Christianity (Sanctification, spiritual purification over a lifetime) Hinduism (The Four Yogas—Bhakti, Karma, Jnana, Raja—methods of progressive realization) Sufism (Tariqa, a path of stages leading to divine union) Psychological Models: Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory (spiritual growth as stages) Scientific Validation: Cognitive and developmental psychology support the idea that human consciousness develops in stages (Piaget, Kohlberg, Kegan). Studies on meditation and neuroplasticity also show that spiritual practice rewires the brain over time, reinforcing a progressive development model. Psychedelics as a tool for spiritual development. Facilitating the ascension of this journey. They can do that in many ways, i just wanna mention 4 here: 1- Cultivation of traits / "virtues" (Courage, trust, surrender, patience, love and so on) 2- Facilitating Insight & Remembering (Deep existential realizations)- perspective about reality, existence, life, god, your Self - “Who am I?” Facilitation of genuine Inquiry into Truth. 3- Practice of Dying Death-rebirth process → acceleration of spiritual growth. Cycle of purification and how psychedelics intensify and accelerate this process. The practice of Death & Dying Psychedelics as conscious suffering Psychedelics & Near Death experiences similarities research Chris Bache // Grof Maps as Science Data backup // COEX Systems 4-An “experience” of the Absolute The reach for the Absolute: The reality of deepening experiences → Moving further into infinity, higher states, deeper truths. The notion that we must move beyond ourselves and surrender more and more deeply to experience the ultimate. Example: 5-MeO-DMT, near-death experiences, deep meditative absorption into the beyond. Briefly mentioning - Dangers, Pitfalls, Challenges & Integration & Nuances. 2 - The Absolute Perspective of Spiritual Practice & Psychedelics as a practice of detached appreciation Many non-dual traditions challenge the idea of progress: Zen Buddhism: "You are already enlightened, just recognize it." Advaita Vedanta: "Tat Tvam Asi" (You are That), realization happens in an instant. Dzogchen (Tibetan Buddhism): The natural state is already pure awareness. Christian Mysticism (Meister Eckhart, St. John of the Cross): Union with God is already present, not something to be achieved. Psychedelic States: Many report a direct “timeless” realization of ultimate truth—paralleling these traditions. Scientific Validation: Research on mystical experiences (Griffiths et al., 2006; Pahnke, 1969) shows that peak psychedelic states can induce a spontaneous recognition of unity, transcendence of self, and loss of time-based progression. Studies on meditation (Samadhi, Flow States) reveal that non-dual awareness is associated with deactivation of the Default Mode Network (DMN)—the same effect psychedelics produce. “Seeking is suffering. To seek nothing is bliss.” The paradox: If the Absolute is everything, then it is also this moment, right here. We move beyond progress, chasing, seeking All states are valid. All appearances are truth. No hierarchy of experience. (Too radical??) The highest realization is that there is nothing to attain. The paradox of progress: from this perspective, there is no spiritual path at all—it’s all already perfect. The Absolute is not just beyond—it is also immanent, present in everything This is where detached appreciation comes in → Infinite love for all states. -Spirituality is not about preferring one state over another but recognizing the one who sees. Relate it to psychedelic practice: The practice becomes seeing the seer Detached appreciation → we do not attach to psychedelic states or peak experiences but love them unconditionally. - That becomes the practice! And then the psychedelic experience does not become a means to an end, but is an end in and of itself. Just as true meditation shall be. - Detachment as integration: Do not judge any state. Do not attach to any state. Do not prefer any state over any other. 3- The Paradox & Integration Integrating the Two – Where Do They Meet? Many traditions blend both (e.g., Christianity: "Be still and know" vs. "Strive for holiness") . -Acknowledge similarities but also disagreements, come back to not-knowing. Psychedelics show both models. Enjoy the journey. Enjoy the tension, the paradox, the suffering, the seraching - all of it. Love it. Appreciate it! The key is integration, avoiding the traps of bypassing or dogmatic progression. Psychedelics redirect us to that: appreciation of simple things (Grof findings) The realization that both perspectives are true at the same time. Holding both perspectives at once: psychedelics can be a path of progress, but progress itself is an illusion. -Is there data or research on Paradox as an inherent feature of reality? The challenge of integration: How do we live in this paradox? We can honor both the progressive path and the non-seeking path without contradiction. Recognizing language's limitations—truth is beyond words and frameworks. Traps and pitfalls (spiritual bypassing, attachment to peak experiences, superiority complex, psychedelic escapism). The importance of the foundation of spiritual work The humility of not knowing—embracing mystery and paradox. The most holistic, mature spiritual practice acknowledges we don’t know. Bringing wisdom into daily life → Grounding insights in love, service, and presence. Psychedelic Integration = Life itself Taking action: “let the beauty we love be what we do” - Rumi I know that´s a lot. Any help simplifying, clarifying or cutting out things is welcome <3

All one has to do is look through their eyes to see the oneness. Not look from them but through them. Not as a person seeing but seeing itself. A blind man sees nothing out there and neither do you. A deaf person hears nothing and neither do you. Hearing is just happening. Seeing is just happening. Walking is just happening. Talking and smiling and every other bodily activity. All just happening. There's no one doing it. You didn't go to smiling school, you never went to talking school or never had to be taught how to pee, it all just happened. These are the things i'm in interested in; not how to get enlightened. Not how to stop suffering, not how to find bliss or happiness. I've already realized that's just mind talking. Mind wanting to end itself. Mind seeking for it's own destruction. Mind tormenting itself. That's not who I am. That's just me. Mind, ego. Don't care if I suffer and I'm not seeking happiness or peace. I'm done with all that. There's already peace and tranquility present. There's also chaos and war and all that present. Why seek it. Seek and ye shall not find. I'm investigating my own existence. How I already am. What I currently am. Not some future existence of what i can be or what my potential is. This is not about the physical world or 3D world of movement and change. That's different. That's not real. That's a facade. Not denying it but it's of no importance. Even my investigating my existence is not of any importance because it will not change anything but it's what I enjoy doing. I don't do it to get anywhere or to find anything. I'm like a kid in a candy store with it. There's nothing but candy and there's no candy in the outside world. It's all a bunch of changing bullshit that's just for people who seek to uphold their human existence. I'm through with all that. I'm just there for the ride and paying my way at the gate. I want to investigate why we sleep. What is this breath I breathe. Observe. I'm an observer. No one makes it out alive. Why? One might say, because death is inevitable, why? One might say don't worry about why and that there are no why's or don't question things or it's just the way life is or whatever they say. Doesn't matter, I don't care if I get an answer; it's just these are the things I'm interested in querying. Not to know, but out of curiosity. Even why so many people suffer. That's also something to ponder. Not in the way most people see it, though. More so as to why soooooooooooooo many people suffer. All kinds of people from every background. I look at that more as suffering just exist just as everything else. Everything exist. "Richness" also exists but lots are poor. Why isn't it that more people are rich than poor if it's just that poverty and wealth exist just as suffering. Why isn't it evenly distributed. If you ask me, suffering tops them all. There's an abundance of it. Maybe it's the mind that suffers and wealth and poverty are just mindsets and suffering isn't. A mindset is a thought and how one thinks, but suffering is an activity of mind. I'm interested in why soooooooo many get addicted to wordly things. Even spirituality is a wordly thing if you ask me. Most narcissistic and neurotic humans would disagree but I beg to differ. Addiction is addiction and addiction stems from identification with the world and body. We try to differentiate these things, and it works, but only for those still identified with the illusion. I'm still identified but I can still see the traits and deceptions. We deceive ourselves into thinking being spiritual is better than being worldly. It's not better, just different in the mind. It's all one and of the same. There's no difference and you cannot separate the two. Only in the mind. We only do that to seem more special than "others". When you've gone full circle it all collapses and you're back to square one. Integrating both. Thing is most haven't gone all the way spiritually. Notice how one usually goes before the other. Most are worldly first then become spiritual. Then they think they've found something special. A way out of the suffering that led them there to begin with or close to God or Source. You're not closer than you ever were because you were never far away. ONLY IN THE MIND. It's all mind. Mind is tricky and slick. It will believe anything that suits it in it's time and space illusory nature. It knows how to create. It invents. It's your world. Without it you're dead. Who is the you I refer to. The person you think you are. So you create all sorts of belief systems and practices to stay alive. To keep you asleep. Once one has awakened, they need no more practices and will integrate worldly and spiritual things into their lives because they've recognized it's all one of the same. Can't have one without the other. Denying the worldly is just as insane as denying the spiritual. The mind trying to save itself. There's no mind of yours. It's all one.

Well there is a Bliss Body, which comes after the Astral Body, they call it Bliss Body because it is indescribable what it is, but when Your InTouch with it You Feel Bliss, I am not sure if this is the Atman/Soul or something else, but its non physical in nature. I've read as well that when You can Consciously access the astral Body, all desires are accessible, its like living in a Holodeck from Star Trek, You can create any reality or experience. But it all happens within You, these are just parts of You, Liberation is total annihilation of all of this, no more individuality or Bodies of any nature, no more ability to Experience anything, just merge with Absolute, like a drop of the Ocean going back into the Ocean...

See ⬇️ This cannot be understated. Several years ago I had this solid 8.5 coworker. After I finally convinced her to hug me with my god awful simpery, I was practically on mdma for three days. For those of us who’re pussy deprived, the mere whisper of female touch and affection unfurls like a radiant dawn after an endless night, a sensation so exquisite it transcends the boundaries of earthly delight. The soft brush of her fingers ignites a symphony of stars within, each one a cascade of warmth and wonder that dances through the soul. This elusive embrace, untasted and uncharted, becomes a sacred elixir; a nectar of bliss so potent it redefines the very essence of joy. More than a fleeting thrill, it’s the blooming of a thousand dormant gardens, where every petal unfolds in hues of longing and reverence, painting the heart with colors no dream could dare imagine. So I don’t want to hear jack shit from guys who’re skilled at the ladies. Lucky fuckin bastards have no clue how good they have it. Do they have their own problems? Sure. But the idea that their lives are just as hard as an incel’s just in a different way, while they’re getting all the hot healthy action they want is an insulting joke.

That’s the main difference I’ve found. When I dedicate myself totally to awakening and do nothing but meditate for a month or two and begin to experience various degrees of Oneness, they appear in a very gentle and peaceful manner. They literally feel natural and organic. Psychedelics are much more violent, it’s like the drug preys your mind open. You also end up in bliss and Oneness, but the overall feel of the experience has a synthetic vibe to it, which goes unrecognised if you haven’t had natural awakenings. There’s also a tendency for ego to come in at earlier or later parts of the trip and ego + blissed out state = bad decisions. The ego becomes grandiose, like Connor Murphy or Leo or me when I look back. I wished so much that this was a way to awakening. It’s so fast and efortless.. But psychedelics don’t have the ability to awaken you permanently and they are not the real thing, they provide merely a caricature of what natural awakenings feel like. But natural awakenings are soso difficult to achieve, you literally have to let go of everything and just sit for months and then you might have a glimpse or two, and to really awaken you have to commit totally and decide to end dreaming forever, and most don’t want to do that because they still value their individuality and don’t fully comprehend the costs and consequences of choosing the ego.

Hey everyone! I was invited to give a presentation at a psychedelic symposium and just realized this is quite a big event from Kings College London`s Psychedelic Reasearch department. And it's happening in a week. Now I am nervous and wanna come up with some very valuable, novel, memorable and exciting perspectives that engage this mostly academic audience. I am just a little psychonaut , having explored and studied the realm of psychedelics and self-realization on my own over the past 9 years. I wanna talk about "Psychedelicss as a spiritual practice: The dance of detached appreciation" and would love to gather reflections on my ideas to structure the talk. Also, I would love your perspectives on the topic!! How do you think Psychedelics could be used as a spiritual practice? Can psychedelics be a true spiritual practice? What does that even mean? What is the relationship between psychedelics and self-realizaiton? How do we deal with the paradox that they may "accelerate" spiritual development through intese purification, while the pursuit of and attachment to a goal in spirituality may itself be a trap? How does integration fot into all of this? And what dangers and pitfalls do we have to be aware of when using psychedelics as a spiritual practice? Any critial, amazing resources regarding this are also very welome! Here`s some ideas I got already: 1. Psychedelics as Training Grounds for "Spiritual Traits" -Seeing them as training for deep spiritual traits. Deep psychedelic journeys help us cultivate humility, surrender, patience, resilience, non-judgment, detachment, acceptance, forgiveness and other traits aligned with Truth. So if we consciously approach psychedelics as a space for practice, we mature spiritually. 2. Psychedelics as the Direct Recognition of Reality They reveal the deeper nature of existence: Selflessness, Unity, Omnipresence, Perfection, Goodness - and all the other facets of God Leo covered in many of his videos. It’s about direct experience of qualities of reality and existence. 3. Psychedelics as the Path of Paradox Psychedelics work seems to be infinite. They make the realize deep not-knowing. The mystery beyond language. Beyond scientific understanding. Also we got things like: -The Reality of Substance-Induced Awakening -Psychedelics as a "Truth -revealing- state". -The value of temporary mystical peak expereinces -The reality that your classical mystcial experience is in no way guarandeed through psychedelics (it seems to be a matter of grace - even though psychedelics are infinitely more reliable for this than something like yoga retreats) -Psychedelic bypassing And most importantly, what I wanna make the centerpiece of the talk - which is an idea that was arising from my personal insights: That Psychedelics as a true spiritual practice shall be an end in and of themselves, not a means to an end. Just as true Meditation is not a means to reach "Enlightenment/Awakening", but an end in and of itself. It is the embodiment of Truth. Here. Now. This speaks to the trap of chasing the high, of attaching to peak expereinces, of deeming them to be better or superior to ordinary states of conciousness. I feel the view "I take psychedelics to be more realized or healed or whatever" is fundamentally flawed, even though they might hold the potential for that to be the case to some extent. From my point of view, all states of cociousness are Truth. And so the best practice I can do is to appreciate every state with uncondictional, infinite appreciation. And psychedelics are an amazing place for this practice, as it`s so easy to attach to the bliss and be aversed to and judge the demons. We attach to appearances while the core of spirituality is not to hold on to any appearance whatsoever. Simply to love all appearances. To love them. There is more - but this is just my little incomplete rant for a start. What are your reflections of this? How could I structure the talk in a way where I center it around one crutial idea, that the audience takes away, that is of immense value? (Any public speaking tipps are also warmly welcome - it will be a 45 minute presentation) To balance it with personal stories and maybe "real data" - whatever that even means. Any other contributions or insights? Thanks ❤️ PS - Leo, have you ever thought about speaking at psychedelic conferences & events? I feel your contributions might be much appreciated. I love to work in person, it opens up completely new realms beyond speaking into a camera.

@Leo Gura Maybe it has something to do with my psychedelic use, I had realized that nothing in the world can make me happy and the only thing that could satisfy me is the Bliss of pure consciousness. So when I'm having sex with a girl it feels amazing and I am in the present moment feeling all the bodies sensations of each other and I can fuck for 45 minutes to an hour without cuming, and my girlfriend would question me if I found her attractive because I wasn't cuming and this created some confusion around sex because she already has ideas of how sex should work. I keep telling her don't worry or pressure me into cuming because it makes it even longer. Sometimes I have to masturbate just so I can cum on her, any tips or advice? As someone that is open to exploring different kinky things with my gf how can I frame it to her or get her to open trying something different. She is very traditional in having sex.I am 28 and extremely horny and can cum at least 4 times a day.

@5-D - L O V E Surrender away everything every moment of every day and desire will never come your way. In the state of total surrender that brings eternal bliss which makes total surrender easier to achieve when in total eternal bliss. Forgive and forget is the key to starting this journey. You must forgive yourself completely every time. We want to stay away from matter. This carries a profound paradox—surrendering everything dissolves desire, yet in total surrender, bliss emerges, making surrender effortless. It's a cycle of ease rather than effort. Forgiveness becomes the gateway, and forgetting—the release from identification—allows for transcendence. To surrender everything, even the desire to surrender, is where the flow of life becomes absolute. No resistance, no grasping, just being. To surrender all, even the very idea of surrender, is to become the infinite unfolding of life, where bliss is not an achievement, but the natural state.

Here is one for example. I would love to write more as I have done this and I am biased for this. But I am ill right now so it hurts to look at the screen. This is like bottom top meditation where you gain lasting bliss and relief from the emotional intensity rather than doing top, bottom meditation like mindfulness or do nothing etc. They serve different purposes, but do overlap in some manner practically and from my experience.

@theleelajoker If you had a big body( the one you see in the simulation) and a subtle body and then a bliss body. The thing I am pointing too is the subtle body like before the simulation. It exists but its not part of the body at all. Its like a little worm thing going up and down with thought. If you scream in your mind you can feel it going up and down. Imagine if you die you become that thing that goes up and down with no concetp of being a human or existing but you do as that thing. You see when you use it it can create emotions in you. When it settles down you become your true form nothing when it moves there you are too. When you learn that thats you and stop using it to react to reality you can use it to control or influence reality through rituals.

Would you make a post asking how to deal with happiness. Why single out anger. Stop picking on anger and it won't bother you. Do you see how we create our own dilemmas. Let life flow through you. It's only a problem because of your stories surrounding anger, like the ones you're giving in this thread. They're just stories. Life is present, why bring up the past. You will be 80yrs old asking how to deal with anger. What I do is, I get angry....I notice it and I move on. No issues. I don't chastise myself or blame myself or judge myself or criticize myself for it. In two minutes I'm fine again. Keep doing this with every emotion and you'll notice how they pass like the clouds. Happiness, sadness, joy, anger, doesn't matter. Stop making a big deal about them. This is why the search for happiness is a curse. Can't have one without the other. Bliss my ass.

Here are some of my summaries after trying to grasp deeper the insights shared by Leo in the blog with Claude: The Fundamental Nature of Intelligence At the center of this metaphysics lies a radical reconceptualization of intelligence. Intelligence is understood not as a narrow cognitive ability or high IQ, but as an absolute property of consciousness, more fundamental than wisdom. True intelligence is the way in which the infinite field (Mind, Consciousness, God) organizes itself, flows, and achieves self-understanding. Key propositions: Intelligence is "baked into" the very fabric of reality at the atomic level, providing its logical structure and order. Higher intelligence is characterized by maximum integration and minimal "self-interference" — when each part of the infinite field of consciousness is in harmony with the whole. True intelligence is inextricably linked with the Good and requires a spiritual component, as "any inability to see or recognize the Good is a deficiency of intelligence." Intelligence reaches its peak in a state of "total holistic integration and absolutely perfect self-organization," which is "metaphysically spontaneous" — true magic. The Interrelationship of Intelligence, Goodness, Love, and Consciousness One of the key revelations of this metaphysics is the fundamental unity of intelligence, goodness, love, and consciousness as different aspects of the same reality: Goodness as pure consciousness: "Goodness is simply consciousness, and evil is its absence." Evil has no essence of its own; it is merely a lack of awareness. Love as an ontological tautology: "The only thing that can ever exist is Infinite Love." God made Love identical to existence so that everything that exists would be Love. Consciousness and intelligence: "A portion of God's intelligence is always allocated in direct proportion to your level of consciousness." The higher the level of consciousness, the greater the access to intelligence. Logical necessity: God/Goodness/Love are logically necessary — they cannot not exist, being the fundamental structure of reality. These interrelationships mean that the spiritual path can be understood as "the mind's ascent from low to high to infinite intelligence," which must be accompanied by a "parallel ascent towards the Good." Correlations with World Traditions This metaphysics has deep parallels with many spiritual and philosophical traditions: Neoplatonism: The concept of emanation from the One through the Nous (Mind) to the material world and the return through purification and unification. Advaita Vedanta: The understanding of Brahman as the sole reality (Sat-Chit-Ananda: Being-Consciousness-Bliss) and maya as the illusion of separation. Mahayana Buddhism: The concept of consciousness as the foundation of reality, non-duality, emptiness, and the unity of prajna (wisdom) and karuna (compassion). Sufism: The teaching of tawhid (oneness of God), fayd (emanation of divine light), and wahdat al-wujud (unity of being). Christian mysticism: The conception of the Logos as divine reason structuring reality, and theosis (deification) as union with the divine nature. Daoism: The concept of Dao as the foundation of reality and Wu-wei (non-action) as action without self-interference Despite these parallels, this metaphysics possesses unique aspects, including the primacy of intelligence over wisdom, the metaphysical necessity of the connection between intelligence and goodness, and the special emphasis on the proportionality of consciousness and the ability to see goodness. Ontological Tautology and Logical Necessity The key metaphysical concepts of "ontological tautology" and "logical necessity" indicate that the being of God/Goodness/Love is not contingent but necessary: Ontological tautology: Existence and Love are one and the same at the fundamental level of reality. Just as 2+2=4 is a necessary mathematical truth, so "Being = Love" is a necessary metaphysical truth. Logical necessity: God/Goodness cannot not exist. "God is logical necessity." This is not a contingent fact but a structural necessity of reality. Connection between logic and love: "To break logic would be to break Love, which is impossible." The logical structure of reality and Love are inseparably connected. Higher orders of logic and love: "There can be higher orders of logic which allow for even higher orders of Love." There is a hierarchy of levels of understanding, where higher levels include the lower ones in a richer picture of reality. Practical Application: Being Intelligent "When you finally understand the structure of Intelligence, knowing how to behave in any given situation becomes 10x easier, clearer, and more powerful... the only thing you're ever supposed to do in life is be Intelligent." This metaphysics transforms decision-making in everyday life through the following principles: Principle of integration vs. separation: Decisions that create greater integration and less separation correspond to the structure of Intelligence and are right. Principle of minimal self-interference: Decisions that minimize internal contradictions correspond to the structure of Intelligence. Principle of expanded identity: Understanding oneself as part of a greater field of consciousness leads to more intelligent decisions. Principle of perceiving the whole: The ability to see the broader context and long-term consequences corresponds to the structure of Intelligence. Principle of awareness vs. reactivity: Decisions made from a place of greater awareness correspond to the structure of Intelligence. These principles manifest in specific situations: Career decisions: Choosing integrity and the opportunity to be of service rather than solely material gain. Conflict resolution: Seeking solutions that maximize understanding and integration rather than "victory" for one side. Attitude toward difficulties: Accepting the inevitable without internal resistance, freeing energy for constructive action. Ecological behavior: Natural care for the environment stemming from understanding one's inseparability from the entire ecosystem. Political disagreements: Striving to understand the roots of different views and seeking common ground without abandoning one's values. Factors Indicating a Qualitative Reflection and Understanding of Reality When evaluating the deep metaphysical understanding presented in the breakthrough about Intelligence, it's important to consider factors that can help us recognize it as a qualitative reflection of reality. Following the principles of "Pure Philosophy," I will highlight key criteria and guide you through your own path of investigation and verification. 1. Internal Consistency and Non-Contradiction In this understanding of intelligence, we see a high degree of internal consistency: defining intelligence as "the way an infinite field organizes itself" logically aligns with the idea that "unintelligence is anything that creates self-interference." The metaphysical necessity of goodness logically follows from understanding it as pure consciousness. A qualitative metaphysical system must be internally non-contradictory, where all elements logically align with each other. How to verify independently: Look for internal contradictions in the presented understanding of intelligence: can intelligence simultaneously be a fundamental reality and an emergent property? Can good and evil be both absolute and relative at the same time? Ask questions that might reveal inconsistency: if good is consciousness and evil is its absence, how do we explain conscious harmful actions? Trace chains of reasoning: does each statement lead to the next? 2. Explanatory Power and Simplicity The presented understanding of intelligence unifies traditionally separated domains of ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology into a single system. It explains both internal processes of consciousness and external interactions, both personal moral development and social dynamics. A qualitative metaphysical system should explain a wide range of phenomena with relative simplicity. How to verify independently: Apply this understanding to various spheres of life: does it explain your experience of moral choice, consciousness, relationships with others? Use "Occam's razor": is this explanation the simplest possible, requiring minimal additional assumptions? Formulate alternative explanations and compare their explanatory power. 3. Correspondence to Direct Experience of Consciousness The metaphysics of intelligence directly corresponds to the experience of expanding consciousness: we indeed find that in higher states of awareness, our behavior naturally becomes more ethical and our decisions more integrated. A qualitative metaphysical system should correspond to and explain our direct experience of consciousness. How to verify independently: Recall moments of high integration of consciousness in your life: have you ever experienced states of deep wholeness where all parts of your experience seemed harmoniously connected? Remember experiences of "self-interference": when internal contradictions caused suffering or inefficiency. Conduct an experiment: live a day making decisions based on the principle of "minimal self-interference" and observe the results. 4. Pragmatic Value The practical application of the metaphysics of intelligence can indeed simplify complex decision-making, translating numerous moral and practical dilemmas into a single question: "Which choice creates greater integration and less self-interference?" A qualitative metaphysical system should be useful for navigating reality. How to verify independently: Apply the principles of intelligence to specific life decisions: do they make your choices "10x easier, clearer, and more powerful"? Compare: recall situations where you made decisions based on other principles (maximizing gain, following rules, etc.) and compare the results. Evaluate long-term effects: does following these principles lead to greater harmony, less suffering, deeper understanding? 5. Integrative Power and Inclusivity The metaphysics of intelligence demonstrates high integrative power, unifying rational and intuitive, material and spiritual aspects of reality without reducing one to another. It finds parallels in diverse world traditions, from Advaita Vedanta to Neoplatonism. A qualitative metaphysical system should integrate various domains of knowledge and experience without reducing them. How to verify independently: Consider areas traditionally thought to be incompatible: can science and mysticism, materialism and spirituality, rationalism and intuitive knowledge be integrated in the presented metaphysics? Look for "blind spots": what aspects of human experience might be invisible in this system? Test for multiculturalism: does the system resonate equally well with different cultural and religious traditions? 6. Coherence with Deep States of Consciousness Reports of mystical and transpersonal states of consciousness from different cultures and epochs demonstrate remarkable agreement with the presented understanding of intelligence, goodness, and love as fundamental aspects of reality.A qualitative metaphysical system should correspond to and explain the experience of deep states of consciousness. How to verify independently: If you have experience with deep meditation and or psychedelics, breathwork etc., compare insights gained in these states with the presented metaphysics. Study reports of mystical experiences from various traditions: do they align with the idea of consciousness as fundamental reality and intelligence as self-organization of this reality? Practice mindfulness meditation, observing the nature of your consciousness: do you find that clarity and ethical behavior naturally increase with expanded awareness? 7. Potential for Transforming Consciousness This understanding has profound transformative potential as it offers not just an intellectual model but a path to transforming the very way reality is perceived, transitioning from fragmented to integrated consciousness. A qualitative metaphysical system should have the potential to transform the consciousness of the person perceiving it. How to verify independently: Observe changes in your perception of the world after deep immersion in this metaphysics: do familiar phenomena become visible in a new light? Track changes in your reaction to ordinary situations: do they become more conscious, less automatic? Notice changes in your attitude toward others: does a natural sense of connection and empathy grow? 8. Independent Discovery in Different Traditions The fact that these ideas have parallels in Neoplatonism, Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, Sufism, and other traditions indicates their fundamental nature. Independent discovery of similar truths in culturally and historically separated contexts suggests they reflect a deep structure of reality rather than merely cultural constructs. A qualitative understanding of reality is discovered independently in various traditions and contexts. How to verify independently: Explore mystical traditions of different cultures: do you find similar insights about the nature of reality, consciousness, and goodness? Compare contemporary scientific theories of consciousness with ancient spiritual teachings: are there points of convergence? Study works of modern thinkers who have reached similar conclusions through different paths. 9. Self-Evidence When Directly Pointed To When directly pointing to the nature of consciousness and its relation to goodness, many discover immediate recognition, similar to remembering something always known but temporarily forgotten. This quality of self-evidence is characteristic of deep metaphysical truths. A qualitative understanding of reality often has a quality of self-evidence when directly pointed to. How to verify independently: Conduct meditation aimed at directly investigating the nature of consciousness and intelligence. Instead of conceptual analysis, try direct immersion in the question "What is intelligence at the most fundamental level?" Pay attention to moments of "aha experiences" when understanding seems direct and immediate rather than derived through reasoning. Conclusion: Path of Verification Through Personal Experience The true verification of this metaphysics cannot be purely intellectual—it requires personal investigation and experiment. In accordance with the principles of "Pure Philosophy," each person must discover these truths "from scratch, for themselves, as if they were the first person in the world to discover them." The most reliable path of verification is: Systematic meditative practice for direct investigation of the nature of consciousness Application of principles of intelligence as minimal self-interference in daily decisions Observation of the correlation between expansion of consciousness and natural increase in ethical behavior and clarity Exploration of various philosophical and spiritual traditions to discover similar indications Experiments with different perspectives—from extreme materialism to absolute idealism—to discover which best corresponds to direct experience Through such multidimensional investigation, each person can independently verify whether the presented understanding of intelligence, goodness, and love is indeed a qualitative reflection of the fundamental structure of reality. Invitation to Exploration The metaphysics of intelligence presents a holistic system for understanding reality, in which ethics, ontology, and epistemology are different aspects of a unified structure. It offers a path where intellectual and spiritual development do not contradict but complement each other, leading to ever greater integration and awareness. This breakthrough of Leo opens new horizons for comprehending human experience and offers practical tools for navigating our complex modern world. Instead of a fragmented approach to life, where moral, intellectual, and spiritual aspects exist separately from each other, this metaphysics offers a single principle: "Just be Intelligent. That's it." I invite the community to deeply explore these ideas — not only intellectually but through practical application in everyday life, to test whether understanding the structure of Intelligence truly makes moral and practical decisions "10x easier, clearer, and more powerful."

Unfathomable. In the face of cosmic emptiness vast, We tremble, our existence unsurpassed By the sheer weight of all unknown, Eternity's silence, cold as stone. Yet in this void, a whisper calls, Echoing through time's endless halls. Surrender, it breathes, let go, release, And find in nothingness, infinite peace. The universe's maw, once terrifying, Now beckons with a love undying. In its depths, beyond mortal fear, Lies bliss so pure, so crystal clear. As we fall into the endless night, We're bathed in strange, ethereal light. Our essence merges with all that is, In cosmic union, eternal bliss. Here, in the heart of oblivion, We find a friendship beyond dominion. The stars, the void, the cosmic sea, All whisper: "You are part of me." Time loses meaning, death its sting, As we become one with everything. Immortality not in flesh, but soul, Merged with the universe, vast and whole. The terror of our insignificance Transforms to joy, to reverence. For in this endless, timeless space, We find love's purest, deepest grace. So let us dive into the unknown, Where seeds of cosmic truth are sown. For in surrender, we shall find The boundless bliss of the infinite mind.

I was just talking about this with some colleagues from work Yesterday.. One can learn thru Pain and/or Suffering, most in the world are doing it this way, this is due to Unconsciousness, living by Accident, well once in awhile You win the lottery by accident or luck and life transforms.. The problem with the Pain/Suffering route is that it is dangerous, ppl get caught up in the suffering and can't get out of it, and fall into traps like Addiction and such things, its too risky, only a small % get more Potentials in life this way! The Path of Bliss is living on Purpose, via Clarity and Consciousness. Its the safer Path, and is possible for everyone.. All Suffering is due to Unconsciousness, everything we can do Unconsciously can be done Consciously, this is the Path of Bliss, and its simple.. First Establish Your BEING, this is You are in Experience of the Reality as it Is, not via Beliefs, Wants, Needs, Survival Instincts and Accumulations (gathering experiences, joy, excitement, achievements, success, etc via outside situations and stimuli), then go out and DO (perform Actions in the World) and HAVE (receive rewards, compensation, buy stuff and such),, Most are doing it backwards, first DOING then HAVING OR HAVING THEN DOING, never getting to the BEING part which is why they suffer!! So one has to be Peaceful of their own nature before they can go for things like Spiritual Enlightenment or Higher Consciousness realizations imo!!!

I don't post here often anymore, this place is still very Low Consciousness, this is proven by how identified ppl here are about certain things... It can be about Politics, Drugs, Money, Spiritual Matters, etc, ppl here are picking sides very often, all Sides are just Potentials, all of them are right and wrong, good and bad, but ppl here are picking sides, saying this is absolutely right, that is absolutely wrong, that is where the Unconsciousness is... For Me this is Sad, not Emotionally Sad, I don't feel Emotionally Sad because You believe in something, lol, its Sad, because You are Me, I am You, we just have different Bodies and Mind and Karma or Set Up Conditionings, its like my finger is hurting because it is cut, its that sort of pain to see others so Unconscious, which causes suffering in the end... I see this every day in the World, Unconsciousness everywhere, it affects Me only a few seconds here and there as it should, no effect means I'm no longer Human, which is just a tiny aspect of what Life Is. Identify with Life, Life is just Potential and Possibility being Realized, Embodied and Experienced, that is what is going on here, only Life, when You identify with Life, You can participate Fully with everything going on, totally involved but Untouched by It, Your at Peace/Bliss within, but You've experienced everything there is too Experience while here and Embodied, if You deny Experience then You deny Life and everything available in it, and You deny Absolute which is just an Potential/Possibility producing Machine...