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Interesting. Part of me wanted to say that it would be another thing dreamed. Part of me wanted to say, that infinity is every possible thing, so something outside of the dream is plausible, yes. My logical mind wants to add more concepts like a second dream side by side or encompassing the first like Russian dolls over the top of each other or layers, (wombs we are born/realised into is something I see talked about), but any explanation I could try giving to alien wouldn't be alien or unknowable. *Sometimes I think that's how the dream manifests, unexplainable spiritual concepts and/or thought gradually grounded into reality.

Maybe (real) You is the octopus, Alien, what Not,…, already? In a totally obvious way, if certain illusions of duality and separation are cleared away? Fascinating. What does Nonduality and Oneness actually mean and imply? Which apparently is supposed to always be true , or the case? Oh well, just forgot, we are sometimes a little bit selective here, and are not always aware of this Absolute Truth. Some minor or major illusions of separation and duality sometimes interfere. But nothing that some substances can not temporary, at least partly, clarify a bit. Partly. Temporary.

Yeah it seems like it lines up from reading that thread. So with the void experience, I felt a zooming out until size and dimension became meaningless, but I still had them as a point of reference. I know what zooming out is for example, I know what a void is, and I can describe it to you. With the white light experience, I can describe it somewhat. I can say the area around me turned a cloudy white, I can tell you I became the reality for a time, that you don't go anywhere to experience it. I can tell you that no sense we have of love currently is close to it, unconditional love is where you become everything, and no word needs to come before love. Its love, no conditions, no process, nothing in the way, just love. With the sorrow experience, I can tell you it was like vast ocean that scared me to touch, like I dipped my finger in it, and it was an overwhelming sensation. I realized all emotions are infinite because we are infinite. So I can get close to an explanation of all of these using references on this earth you can understand in language. if I was trying to describe alien to you, I couldn't give you a descriptor or a word from our language. At least that's how I picture it. The unknowable as they used to call it. The known, the unknown, and the unknowable.

Well, your explanation is more in line with what he does mean by alien 👽 I thought he was referring to actual Aliens. I missed the part where he says it isn't related to aliens and was going under this assumption for awhile,

Thanks I'll take a look. My preprogramming to alien means, something not of this earth or my experience. So something that I haven't experienced before (which would be all awakenings) but in a manner I can't comprehend or recognize either from existing experiences. So no zooming out. No white light. No emotional swell from within etc. These are things that are not alien to me. I can describe them, I have sensed them before in different ways.

Over there in the Cardozzo/Ralston thread "final awakening", I just brought that up. I told him a lot of us misunderstood the term Alien and it's not just me @Leo Gurasee, another one. It's not just me. I think most.

Do you intend your "Alien Mind" course to help bridge that understanding gap? When I hear you say it I feel like I understand. No amount of enlightenment or self-inquiry could give me the consciousness of an octopus, and that same logic applies to an Alien. Of course I know you mean something far deeper than this. If I want to start to understand Alien Consciousness in the meanwhile, where would I begin?

You can easily imagine the difference between the consciousness of an ant vs a human. Now imagine a similar order of magnitude leap beyond the human. This would take you into the Alien.

Can you define Alien in layman's terms leo, to help remove any pre-programming I have in the way of better understanding it? I've done infinite void, infinite love, and touched infinite sorrow. I can set the intent to experience it at some point but it'd be easier if I knew what I was asking/intending to see

I would imagine alien conciousness would be like going from 3D to 4D or smth.

The alien word is a way to describe something completely out of the world to a human. Like the concept of honesty to women.

Alien Consciousness does not contradict nonduality. It's just a step beyond it.

Non-Duality x Ralstonians x Alien Consciousness Make your bet

Alien is most accurate. I don't know. Depends on my health which is out of my control. That's what I have always said. I told you I am not talking about meeting aliens. If I was talking about meeting aliens, I would say: "I met some aliens."

Ah, „that“ ocean. And who or what is „the“ ocean again? Who or what is perceiving all its endless islands again? „Who“ is the alien again?

Do you realize that this right here will clarify to a lot what you mean by Alien Consciousness. I'm sure a lot of us, including myself, thought you were referring to actual Aliens when you speak about Alien consciousness or awakening. From what you've written here what you're referring to is a new state of consciousness, a different awakening than you've experienced before; so different, it seems alien, alienated from the rest, like mind-blowing. Previously I thought you meant actual Aliens.

I think people find the word "alien" distracting and it makes them think of Paul. Wouldn't "non-human" consciousness be more accurate?

You cannot access alien mind right now because you take a break from psychedelics became of health reasons. I just hope you don't forget how to access this state until your alien mind course comes out. The mind forgets fast... especially unusual states of consciousness .

1) Not as a stable permanent state. 2) It's not about brain at that point, it's about consciousness and jailbreaking the human mind. The human mind is a very narrow thing, even after enlightenment. It is still locked into a human mode of operation. 3) Don't forget, you're not actually human. You are Consciousness cosplaying as human. So you can in fact transcend all human limits, at least for a while. Discovering Alien Consciousness is about unlocking the human mind so deeply that you transcend being human. 4) Consciousness does not have a human brain. It is imagining a human brain.

Because it is alien relative to human consciousness. The reason you call aliens alien is because they are so strange and different from humans. There exists consciousness which is totally trans-human, this includes trans-spiritual-human. All of human spirituality is a very small island of consciousness within a vast ocean. Alien Consciousness is another island within that ocean. It feels very alien, so that's why I call it that. Whether some aliens in our universe actually have such consciousness is irrelevant.

It's not higher per se, but harder to reach because Love is pretty obvious and lots of people talk of it, but no one has a clue that Alien Consciousness is a thing. It also deepens one's understanding of what Love is, as you can discover entirely new categories of Alien Love.

Ok but why is it called alien consciousness then? How would you know it’s that

And Ralston still has yet to awaken to Love. And beyond Love, Alien Love.

As I have said, enlightened people are bullshitting themselves. They are not even close to maximimizing their Consciousness. Alien Consciousness is beyond anything any enlightened human understands. And it cannot be reached through self-inquiry, contemplation, or meditation. No one understands what I am talking about.

He finally discovered Alien Consciousness!!