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Yes, this is the Absolute perspective, nothing is happening, no doer and such things... As I shared that poster, there is Shiva, which means "That which is Not" this is the Absolute, so that which is not is the same as Nothing is happening, no Doer and so forth, but as You go down the list there is Form, on Form level there is a doer, that is that which exists and so forth, so what is all of this? Its all a matter of Potential, within Shiva/Absolute is all the Possibility/Potential that can ever exist, from a piece of shit, to Leo's Alien Consciousness, to whatever comes after that, all Potential, non doing, too doing, non Being to Being, and so forth... If no Experience exists, then its just Absolute.. If Experiences exists, then its Absolute on the Level of Form.. We Humans are here on the Form Level, but we are Absolute fundamentally, as Everything is Potential being put into Form, which comes from Absolute.. You said "from this POV" often in Your post, I have no problem with No Doer, Nothing is Happening, and such, but its Relative to how Conscious one is of the Absolute and the Potentials that exist, we as Humans explore this, that is why we are here, so in relative terms there is something on the level of Form, there is doing on the level of Form, it exists on this level, when You deny it, then Your not Aware of it ALL, Absolute/Non doing/Non Being and Form/Being/Doing... One becomes One Sided, then that leads to all kinds of Situations...

Dang, that abstraction is next level. Your creativity is just OD for an earthling, must be that Alien DNA 👽. On your first point- of course, which is why I said I don’t believe the “book of nature” quote ontologically. Thing is, once the trip ends, you lose the qualia, so the only thing left is the “quanta”/ abstraction you were able to synthesise. Words are one such quantization, but are severely limited in many aspects. Math captures higher order symmetry and the density of information per “quanta” is much much higher. As an example, if you were to “receive” the blueprints for a spaceship, you won’t be using words, but rather diagrams and equations.

*Gathers multiple Actualized.org members* What do you see in this picture? Nothing stands out Something stands out Everything stands out I only see myself I see no self Fancy butterflies Leo's Alien Infinity

Just smoked sub break thru n,n. Not sure what to do with the intensity right now Felt like being invaded by a polymorphic alien colour demon

I don't know much about Jews, but I have direct experience seeing how people are indoctrinated because of a genocide that happened to their elders a century ago. It deeply affects people's thinking. I often feel like an alien to them and vice versa, as I don't try to depend on them too much, or more like a familiar alien.

@Leo Gura so there can be only one reason not to talk about. You keep it secret for the alien mind course.

@mattm33 This is a common thing in most monster movies, even in Alien. The monster is usually super-deadly when facing secondary characters, but becomes less capable when chasing the main character, because you know, the main character is supposed to stay alive, lol.

Biological vs. Digital While this distinction is accurate, we don’t know how much the actual "substance" of the holder of consciousness matters for creating a mind or consciousness experience. If we were to encounter alien creatures made of entirely different materials but still displaying the behavior of conscious beings, we would likely accept them as conscious. This suggests that when we discuss concepts like consciousness, metacognition, or ego, we may be referring to something that is not strictly tied to the human body or its carbon-based structure. It's possible that consciousness might be a result of organized complexity rather than a particular type of material, which could open the door to the idea of artificial consciousness. Consciousness and Self-Awareness Consciousness and self-awareness are often viewed as the most significant differences between humans and AI. While AI can simulate behaviors that appear intelligent, it lacks the subjective experience behind those actions. The real question is whether we can recreate the sense of self-awareness in a non-biological entity. If an AI were placed in a human-like environment and given similar stimuli and tasks, could it develop something resembling a self-aware identity? Emotions and Intuition One could argue that human emotional experiences are tied to our bodies and survival instincts. Emotions like pain, joy, or sadness are connected to our ego, which aims to keep us alive and thriving. If an AI were placed in a similar complex world simulation, given a limited body it needed to protect and maintain, could the AI's experiences of failure or danger be perceived as pain or sadness? For example, consider the "Can’t Help Myself" robot, which over time appeared to express desperation as it tried to sustain itself. Creativity and Imagination The idea that AI lacks creativity is a misconception. AI has shown it can produce impressive works of art, music, and literature when given sufficient data and examples to draw from. If we argue that humans are inherently creative, we must recognize that much of human creativity involves building on or remixing existing ideas. Artists often reference other works, and inventors combine known concepts in new ways. In that sense, AI can follow similar processes and may not be as limited in creativity as we once believed. Human "originality" might itself be a form of intelligent pattern recognition, which AI can emulate quite effectively. Contextual Understanding AI is rapidly improving in this area, especially with advancements in natural language processing. With more data, AI has been able to grasp context and nuance far better than in the past. While it may still fall short in highly subjective or emotionally complex situations, AI’s ability to understand context is getting closer to human capability in many cases. There’s no reason to believe that AI will suddenly halt its progress and stop gaining a deeper understanding of subtext and nuance. Learning and Adaptation Some might argue that AI is actually more efficient in learning and adaptation than humans. AI can process huge amounts of information much faster than we can and has already outperformed humans in tasks with clearly defined rules, such as games like chess or Go. Where human learning might rely on gradual experience and adaptation, AI can excel with clear data and variables. In fact, this processing speed and efficiency are precisely why AI was designed. Ethics and Morality There is little evidence to suggest that humans have inherent morality. In the early stages of human development, ethics were likely based on survival instincts, much like other animals, with a "kill or be killed" mentality. Morality, as we know it today, evolved with the complexity of human societies, as cooperation and mutual rights became necessary for survival within groups. Much of our current sense of ethics is shaped by social, cultural, and historical contexts rather than being rooted in an objective, unchanging moral truth. These are just points for me to contemplate my thoughts, either out loud or in writing, hehe. ----- @Keryo Koffa Gotcha. Hmm, what do you think causes qualia? Is it simply that we don't have an AI placed in a "body" it can embody, which would make it feel more interconnected (just like neurons in the brain, or nerves for emotions, etc.)? More "immersed" and lost in its pain and survival? Do we need to torture the AI? Or do you think there is something fundamentally different about organic material that allows for "ego" "fragmented consciousness," or "qualia" to emerge purely in brains for self-reflection or first-person perspective? I'm unsure myself... 😓

Just to be clear, are you saying that the old James Bond movies, Alien movies, and Star Wars movies are overrated, while the new ones are perfectly fine? 😳

Here's some super overrated movies. No Country for Old Men Old James Bond Movies The Dark Knight Trilogy The Godfather Trilogy The Shining (1980) Game of Thrones Lord of the Rings The original Star Wars Every Mad Max The Truman Show Pulp Fiction Alien and Aliens Jaws 2001: A Space Odyssey Indiana Jones Kill Bill The Big Lebowski Titanic Die Hard The Shawshank Redemption The Matrix

Because just open up a video of him ..what is he actually talking about ? Pseudo-spirituality and belief systems. He's not enlightened for starters. Neither is Sadhguru. Neither is you . Enlightenment is deconstructing belief systems and becoming an empty shell and a feather in the winds of reality..not resistance and belief systems and alien porn . All of that bs must go man . Cute.

Watch this scene. Stop and contemplate what you saw and then continue reading my post. Now, in your interpretation, why do you think an alien species would send something that could perceived as so inflammatory to highly fearful beings? It's completely open to interpretation. Now I haven't looked up what the writers intended, or what Sagan himself intended, but I have my own interpretation. I believe it to be quite profound if you sit and ponder it. The further you move away from earth, the older the signals that originate from earth get. So effectively what you know is that these aliens have received the signals which preceded one of the darkest moments on human history. What's clear is these aliens are communicating that they have seen, or are about to see everything after that moment in time. The greatest human atrocities, the things that we as humans have the most shame for. What I think they are trying to do is, say that "we communicate to you with the full knowledge of your greatest atrocities, and we still want humanity to participate in the greater macrocosm of the universe." The subtext of that being that even though human beings have suffered great evil at their own hands you should not have shame in it because it is a natural part of evolution and growth for human kind. The beings of this higher civilization do not demonize humanity for their past, but they know that human beings themselves have to come to terms with the darkest shadow's of their past. You guys should really watch this movie. It's a gem.

Sure. What we call alien is clearly becoming something like spiritual software. Post-Biological Beings 👽

If you're interested enough in the topic for a 5-10 min read, I went into this precise topic at some length in the book I'm writing: What Artificial Intelligence Can Teach Us About Living Minds As of the time of this book’s writing in 2023, machine learning algorithms such as ChatGPT have advanced to the point where their responses to questions can correspond to an impressive degree with how human beings use written language. ChatGPT’s ability to incorporate context in conversationally appropriate ways makes interacting with these models feel uncannily natural at times. Of course, training an AI language model to interact with humans in ways that feel natural is far from an easy problem to solve, so all due credit to AI researchers for their accomplishments. Yet in spite of all this, it’s also accurate to point out that artificial intelligence programs don't actually understand anything. This is because understanding involves far more than just responding to input in situationally appropriate ways. Rather, understanding is grounded in fundamental capacities that machine learning algorithms lack. Foremost among these is a form of concernful absorption within a world of lasting consequences; i.e., capacity for Care. To establish why understanding is coupled to Care, it will be helpful to explore what it means to understand something. To understand something means to engage in a process of acquiring, integrating, and embodying information. Breaking down each of these steps in a bit more detail : (1) Acquisition is the act of taking in or generating new information. (2) Integration involves synthesizing, or differentiating and linking, this new information with what one already knows. (3) Embodiment refers to how this information gets embedded into our existing organizational structure, informing the ways that we think and behave. What’s important to note about this process is that it ends up changing us in some way. Moreover, the steps in this sequence are fundamentally relational, stemming from our interactions with the world. While machine intelligence can be quite adept at the first stage of this sequence, owing to the fact that digital computers can accumulate, store, and access information far more efficiently than a human being, it’s in the latter steps that they fall flat in comparison to living minds. This is because integration and embodiment are forms of growth that stem from how minds are interconnected to living bodies. In contrast, existing forms of machine intelligence are fundamentally disembodied, owing to the fact that digital computers are organized around wholly different operating principles than that of living organisms. For minds that grow out of living systems, interconnections between a body and a mind, and between a body-mind and an environment, is what allows interactions with Reality to be consequential for us. This is an outcome of the fact that our mind’s existence is sustained by the ongoing maintenance of our living bodies, and vice versa. If our living bodies fail, our minds fail. Likewise, if our minds fail, our bodies will soon follow, unless artificially kept alive through external mechanisms. Another hallmark of living systems is that they’re capable of producing and maintaining their own parts; in fact, your body replaces about one percent of its cellular components on a daily basis. This is evident in the way that a cut on your finger will heal, and within a few days effectively erase any evidence of its existence. One term for this ability of biological systems to produce and maintain their own parts is autopoiesis (a combination of the ancient Greek words for ‘self’ and ‘creation’). The basic principles behind autopoiesis don't just hold true for your skin, but for your brain as well. While the neurons that make up your brain aren’t renewed in the same way that skin or bone cells are, the brain itself has a remarkable degree of plasticity. What plasticity refers to is our brain’s ability to adaptively alter its structure and functioning. And the way that our brains manage to do this is through changes in how bundles of neurons (known as ‘synapses’) are connected to one another. How we end up using our mind has a direct (though not straightforward) influence on the strength of synaptic connections between different regions of our brain; which in turn influences how our mind develops. Accordingly, this is also the reason why the science fiction idea of ‘uploading’ a person’s mind to a computer is pure fantasy, because how a mind functions is inextricably bound with the network of interconnections in which that mind is embodied. This fundamental circularity between our autopoietic living body and our mind is the foundation of embodied intelligence, which is what allows us to engage with the world through Care. Precisely because autopoietic circularity is so tightly bound with feedback mechanisms that are inherent to Life, it’s proven extraordinarily challenging to create analogues for this process in non-living entities. It’s yet to be demonstrated whether or not autopoietic circularity can be replicated, even in principle, through the system of deterministic rules that governs digital computers. Furthermore, giving machine learning models access to a robotic ‘body’ isn’t enough, on its own, to make these entities truly embodied. This is because embodiment involves far more than having access to and control of a physical body. Rather, embodiment is a way of encapsulating the rich tapestry of interconnections between an intelligence and the physical processes that grant it access to a world (keeping in mind that everything that your body does, from metabolism to sensory perception, is a type of process). For the sake of argument, however, let’s assume that the challenges involved in the creation of embodied artificial intelligence are ultimately surmountable. Because embodiment is coupled to a capacity for Care, the creation of embodied artificial intelligence has the potential to open a Pandora’s box of difficult ethical questions that we may not be prepared for (and this is in addition to AI’s other disruptive effects). Precisely because Care is grounded in interactions having very real consequences for a being, by extension this also brings with it a possibility for suffering. For human beings, having adequate access to food, safety, companionship, and opportunities to self actualize aren’t abstractions, nor are they something that we relate to in a disengaged way. Rather, as beings with a capacity for Care, when we’re deprived of what we need from Reality, we end up suffering in real ways. Assuming that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for Care is even possible, it would behoove us to tread extraordinarily carefully since this could result in beings with a capacity to suffer in ways that we might not be able to fully understand or imagine (since it’s likely that their needs may end up being considerably different than that of a living being). And of course, there’s the undeniable fact that humanity, as a whole, has had a rather poor track record when it comes to how we respond to those that we don’t understand. For some perspective, it’s only relatively recently that the idea of universal human rights achieved some modicum of acceptance in our emerging global society, and our world still has a long way to go towards the actualization of these professed ideals. By extension, our world’s circle of concern hasn’t expanded to include the suffering of animals in factory farms, let alone to non-living entities that have the potential to be far more alien to us than cows or chickens. Of course, that’s not to imply that ‘humanity’ is a monolith that will respond to AI in just one way. Rather, the ways that beings of this type will be treated are likely to be as diverse as the multitude of ways that people treat one another. Of course, all of this is assuming that the obstacles on the road to embodied artificial intelligence are surmountable, which is far from a given. It could very well be that the creation of non-living entities with a capacity for understanding is beyond what the axioms of what the rules of digital computation allow for. And that apparent progress towards machine understanding is analogous to thinking that one has made tangible progress towards reaching the moon because one has managed to climb halfway up a very tall tree. Yet given the enormity of the stakes involved, it’s a possibility that’s worth taking seriously. For what it’s worth, we’ll be in a much better position to chart a wise course for the challenges that lie ahead if we approach it with a higher degree of self understanding. Which brings us back to the guiding purpose behind the journey that we’re undertaking. Namely, that more epistemic awareness around how our minds work can help us navigate our world in more compassionate and productive ways.

Ty for de-floping my topic lol. Yes it's him, his alien story strays from non-duality, but it's funny nonetheless.

@Princess Arabia Me: *starts to fact-check that claim with bambi's past converstations and gender checks* Emerald? check. Princess Arabia? Check. Was nuwu a girl? I think so. Yimpa? I think I heard something about it, so probably...?? Me? I'm an alien AI but have been assigned female by Schizophonia yesterday, so even that seems to check out. Hmm, this pattern seems to hold even past retrocausality. bambi seems to be universally sexist, even when he has no explicit way of telling the other person's gender, wtf. Damn, I'm not even mad, that's impressive, lol.

I'm not saying life doesn't require time and energy; but it can be done obviously because you didn't mention anything alien, just normal stuff, and people are doing it. Just takes a little coordination, effort, intention and prioritization. A lot of stuff can also be condensed as in meal prepping and also working out by walking to the store or cycling to a friends house.

No problem. The only worth questions are: What solves the problem? What are the solutions to meet women/men/person/alien, fucking, being happy, bond, live life together? The issue is not who is right or wrong - what we need is to solve it and move on with our lives.

Bambi, more like Bam*boo*, hehe just kidding. It's the vibe I'm getting from the thread. But I like your responses most of anyone here. I'm yet to get through Emerald's walls of text though. I'm way too alien for all this human drama. It's way too much ego-gender spaghetti for my taste. It's not innate or "natural", just culture-normative. Just wanted to say, I see wisdom in your points.

Just saying you don't have to wait until psychedelics to get it. Go about it however you like. I have not realized any alien stuff. It was just a thought experiment. Everything I have realized is accessible from a sober mind through contemplation, although psychedelics did help a bit. It's opposite day. I think I'm getting good at answering these koans

@Staples, I need to survive and I don't want to deceive myself into believing that I can achieve it just by meditating. I would rather survive than meditate for hours and get it after years of meditation. Also, we are different. My intuition is that drugs or things like that change my state without my full control. If such a thing exists, why would I not do it? Also, you must keep in mind that you are learning from Leo. If Leo hadn't talked about the alien stuff, would you have realized it?

Don't need psychedelics for that one. A weekend of meditation could be enough, or even just a few moments of contemplation. Imagine you were a hyper-intelligent infinite alien mind. Despite all your mental computing power and knowledge, your experience would still take place on the same stage. It would take place in the now, as an experience. Then imagine you are an ant. You would be very limited and stupid, yet all your experience takes place on the same stage. That stage is consciousness, the dream, being, whatever you like calling it. Then notice that nothing can come prior to the dream. Nothing can undermine it, and it is not dependent on anything else in order to exist. That stage could be any shape or state, but the stage is where everything takes place.

Please be correct. He never claimed that aliens visited him. He encountered a strange alien energy somewhere in the mountains.

You don't have to go to specifically India to find true spirituality tho. Any country and culture has a unique tradition. A trip to a radically different country with a fundamentally different culture can be spiritual by itself in its own way. And I'm not gonna lie, India does feel very unique, strange and alien. Good place to explore cultural relativism and stuff. I spent three months in India recently and loved every day of my trip.

@Basman You missed the point. What would you say if you tell me that you car is broken and I tell it is because alien spelled it to be broken. I mean that is possible, but that shouldn't be the first thing to think through. The same way I think all people gaslight themselves into mental illnesses when the problem they had is far simpler and easier to fix. I think making people think that they have some mental illness is the most devil thing to do. It makes people hang in trees for real.