Search the Community

Writing and painting have always been my key favorite interests throughout my life. I can't get enough of either. But spirituality also has a due place in my life. I like starting my day with spirituality. That's why the early morning meditation. For me nearly and almost everything has to be spiritual. I don't know why but my heart is deeply in love with spirituality since childhood. I used to collect books on spiritual stuff, I used to love reading books on Reincarnation, mysticism, paranormal phenomena, these things have shaped my personality over the years. I have admired Ian Stevenson (if I remember his name correctly) greatly, he was in some ways a pioneer in this research. Over the last few years, I've spent time watching numerous documentaries on spirituality and mysticism. I have studied ancient cultures. My appetite for such inquisitiveness is voracious as is reflected in many of my journals.

Hi All, I have been questioning something specific in the case of reincarnation for some time now, albeit perhaps to think this far ahead is imagination already and therefore not true. If I suppose what is true is this bubble of consciousness, which is in debate in itself I suppose, and in turn this bubble being god can dream whatever it likes in an unlimited fashion (Kind of referring in reference to @Leo Gura's latest video on consciousness and my understanding of it). I get a sense that content of some form constantly plays out, perhaps not as a person, or even with the same senses that currently exist in this experience, but a happening happens infinitely. It then seems reasonable that I will experience other peoples lives at some point, would you tend to agree with this? I've heard @Leo Gura reference this before in some of his videos (And saying that we would experience his life at some point), but that was a few years back I believe, so his perspective may have changed. Interested to hear some alternate perspectives on perhaps what I'm not considering (Or if you agree) for me to continue questioning this topic within myself.

This post is about the process of preventing the seperate self from dissolving after physical death, so that it continues to exist with full control and lucidity. This post is based on John Kreiter's book "the way of the death defier" (as well as "the way of the projectionist"). I'm basically summarizing the main concept and adding my own spin. This post is obviously not about becoming more enlightened. But it isn't necessarily about becoming less enlightened either. There are 2 kinds of no-self. Becoming conscious how the seperate self is an illusion (relative to that state of consciousness). This realization is not in contradiction with the topic of this post. You can strengthen the seperate self and at the same time be awake and conscious of its illusory nature. This realization is in the pure consciousness dimension. Actually dissolving the seperate self. The more you do it, the more difficult it will become to survive, and eventually that seperate self completely dissolves (at that point the physical body is dead). So this process is indeed in contradiction with the topic of this post. That process tends to be more in the void dimension (more nuance later) - What You Are I recently made this post about the layers of the self from a more non-dual perspctive, maybe that post helps to reconcile this post here with non-duality. We are made of two components (from a dualistic perspective) Consciousness Appearances These appearances range from gross to subtle. Let's go down from gross to subtle: Mental stuff and activity like thoughts and images. Here is the intellect and here happens understanding and recognition. Appearances of a seperate self. These are made of energy and intangible stuff like a personality and a sense of self. Unconscious data. Here is stored everything that is unconscious to the seperate self These appearances from gross to subtle are like a vertical line from up to down. Ultimately everything is consciousness. So let's merge this vertical line with consciousness. This vertical line correlates to some extend with the Alertness Dimension: By merging each of the 3 layers with consciousness we get (now I use John Kreiter's terms): The conscious self. The conscious self is made of mental activity (like recognition) + enough consciousness (which is the case when the alertness dimension is high enough). There might be some mental activity during deep sleep and dreams but the alertness dimension is too low, therefore the conscious self is dead, as a result these sleep stages are unconscious relative to you. During waking life there is also mental activity and the alertness dimension is higher, therefore the conscious self exists during waking life. When the conscious self exists and the self-referential recognition (recognizing that you exist, that you are conscious, that you are alive. Being present and mindful rather than being on autopilot like most people are 99% of their day) is strong enough you are lucid. Conscious self + self-referential recognition = lucidity. I guess the conscious self is what most people are identified with. The Ghost in the Machine. The appearances of a seperate self alone don't really form a real entity. But if we merge these appearances with consciousness, then it's a real entity. Let's use the term ghost in the machine because that's how John Kreiter calls it. Relative to ego consciousness, this entity/self is real and exists. Relative to an enlightened state of consciousness this entity is illusory (relative to that state, you are consciousness conscious of these appearances). The ghost in the machine has intent and desires. It can observe the body and thoughts. And it is able to control the body and thoughts (but usually most thoughts are not thought by it). The ghost in the machine can interact through a pysical body, but it can also leave that body and interact through a astral body. At physical death, the ghost in the machine continues to live. Relative to this whole post, what you are is not the conscious self (,or non-dual consciousness) but that ghost in the machine. The Unconscious. By merging unconscious data with consciousness we get "the unconscious". It might sound contradictory to say that the unconscious is partly made of consciousness. But ultimately everything is consciousness. It's just that relative to ego, relative to the ghost in the machine, this is unconscious. It works similar as with deep sleep. Actually there is still a sliver of consciousness there, but it's too little for the ghost in the machine to remenber this experience (similar to how it can remember dreams) because the alertness dimension is too low. Therefore deep sleep appears like unconsciousness relative to the ghost in the machine. By most people's definitions, the unconscious is the soul. There is a collective unconscious (human oversoul) and our unconscious/soul is a small part/extension of that. The Unconscious is also where all the power lies (as explained Here). - What happens at physical death? Most new age people agree that the nonphysical part of us survives physical death. And they say that this part then reincarnates after some time. But this is too unnuanced. If we look at reincarnation reports, then yes it looks like there is a constant between different lives, like something continues from life to life. But there are also major differences between these different incarnations, the main one is personality. From what I know, in each live you have a new personality, a new ego, a new self. John Kreiter says that the unconscious is the constant during these incarnations. Evolution from life to life happens because apart from formeless consciousness, also the unconscious data goes from life to life. So in your next incarnation, you would still have the same (or some of the same) unconscious data and then new unconscious data is formed in addition. In that way evolution happens. The conscious self and the ghost in the machine die with physical death (or some time after). In each new life, a new ghost in the machine and a new conscious self is created. So the conscious self and the ghost in the machine don't reincarnate. From a more spiritual perspective, what you ultimately are is the unconscious (the soul), and relative to that you are already immortal, and have many more incarnations. So relative to the soul, it is not bad when the ghost in the machine dies. Relative to the ghost in the machine, this incarnation is the only incarnation, it is the first life it has ever lived. And relative to it, this dissolution of the ghost in the machine might not be positive (unless you are detached or enlightened). So up to the point of dissolution you (the ghost of the machine) might resist the idea of dissolution. But at the point of dissolution you (the soul) realizes that it never was the ghost in the machine and that it's dissolution is not bad, it's like changing clothes. So whether that dissolution is bad or good depends on the perspective. So at the point of physical death, the conscious self usually dies too (in the same way that it dies during deep sleep and dreams). But the ghost in the machine plus the unconscious keep living. This after death experience is very similar to dreams. Due to no conscious self, there is usually less lucidity than during waking life (but probably still more than during normal dreams). Now that you've left the physical realm, everything is made of energy. So it's all about energy. Your ghost in the machine is also made of energy. It has a certain amount of energy, and when that energy runs out (that could be seconds, days, months, or millions of years after physical death, depending on the amount of energy), then the ghost in the machine dissolves. At that point only the unconscious is left, and then it can reincarnate again and form a new ghost in the machine. (John Kreiter actually says that it first merges with the oversoul and has a blissful oneness experience there. And it's actually even more complicated than that, he explains it in his book). There are also paralells with other perspectives. For example Tom Campbell says something very similar. He essentially says that the character dies after death, and only the soul reincarnates and creates a new character. There is also a paralell with some eastern systems who have the concept of "the second death". So the after death experience is dream-like. In the beginning you might still be here on our plane and see your actual dead physical body. But this plane usually fades more and more into the distance and then you are like in a void and everything is created by your unconscious (like during dreams). But it's also possible that real entities come and help you (for example helping you to take control of your experience). And I think it's also possible that you go to objective astral planes, like the christian heaven. But I don't think you can stay there forever, because at some point the energy of your ghost in the machine runs out and you dissolve. So how to make the ghost in the machine immortal? There are 2 main components to this: lucidity and energy. - Energy Without energy there is no life. It requires energy to do stuff, even just thinking thoughts requires energy. During physical life you get most of your energy from food (as well as prana from the air, sun, environment, external sources,...). That food energy source is no longer availabe after physical death. So there are two important things to do: Energetic containment. Means that you try to lose as little energy as possible. John Kreiter explains how to do that in his books. Energetic absorption. On the nonphysical plane there are places where there is energy floating around that no one needs anymore. So this is the replacement of physical food. Rather than eating external physical food which then your body converts into energy, you absorb energy directly. John Kreiter explains how to do that (most comprehensively in his magnum opus book). So someone who wants to make the ghost in the machine immortal, needs to practice these techniques while physically alive so that you know how to do them after physical death. If you manage to maintain your energy level after physical death you can theoretically live Infinitely long. - Lucidity But really the most important component of this whole process is lucidity. After physical death, you can't really do these energetic containment and absorption techniques without lucidity. Also without lucidity you have no control of what to experience. So the goal is that during the whole after physical death experience, you have uninterrupted full lucidity. For your physical life this means 3 things: Attaining lucidity during waking life (rather than being on autopilot) Attaining lucidity during all your dreams Attaining lucidity during all sleep stages And that essentially means that the most important practice for this whole process is sleep yoga If you manage to be conscious during all of your sleep, you will have full lucidity after physical death (that's also what tibetan buddhists say). - The complete Self The way I see it, if you are interested in making the ghost in the machine immortal, then sleep yoga is what the majority of your focus should be on. There are some more things that need to be done to make the ghost in the machine immortal, but I think these are relatively easy to achieve once you are conscious during all of your sleep. Attaining lucidity is essentially a merging of the ghost in the machine with the conscious self. And by becoming conscious of usually unconscious sleep stages, you merge the ghost in the machine with the unconscious too. So you merge these 3 parts into one Complete Self. There are more nuances and things involved to create this complete self, John Kreiter describes that in his book, he calls that part of the process the 5th room of the projectionist. - Some more points: When your ghost in the machine is immortal you can do whatever you like, explore Infinity or settle in a heaven-like place with like-minded real other beings Let's say you don't do this approach. Then still, the more spiritually advanced you are, and the more energy you naturally attained during life, and the more spiritual power you attained, and the more lucidity you attained, and the stronger your ghost in the machine became, and the more experience you have with OBEs, and ..... the more lucidity and control and energy you will have after physical death. And it might be enough to continue living for hundreds of years until the ghost in the machine dissolves and you finally merge back into the oversoul. John Kreiter explains all of that in more detail. If you are interested read his books! In this post I wrote what I think is most important. He mentions some other stuff and other practices too. But I don't think that most of these other practices are necessary. They can surely help but I think sleep yoga is the only component you should primarily think about if you are interested in all that stuff. But make your own opinion on it. John Kreiter is extremely advanced and knows far more than I on the topic. I think John is already conscious during all of his sleep and has been astral projecting for years maybe 8 hours each day. And that is just the time relative to the physical plane. Time runs differently in other more distant planes. He says it's possible to experience years during hours of physical time. That means John has spent MUCH time exploring and trying to understand how the death process works and what exactly happens after death. Based on my understanding and direct energetic perception so far, most of what he says makes a lot of sense. His perspective on the afterlife seems to be the one that makes most sense and can make sense of many other perspectives. But his perspective is not perfect there are some critique points. For example the white light of NDE reports. He says that this occurs probably when people have very little stored energy and they quickly merge with the oversoul. From the little I know about NDE reports, around 10% of people who survive a near death, report remembering an experience. And maybe around 70-90% of these experienced a white light. I think it could fit but it's not a perfect explanation that deals with all the complexities of NDE reports. The second critique would be that with his perspective it is not easy to make sense of some between life regressions where people report choosing their next live and so on. My best guess currently is that this all happens only to the unconscious and well, the unconscious is unconscious so the conscious mind can't really understand it. So with these inbetween lives regressions these people try to translate that data which is stored in the unconscious into sensical stuff that the mind can make sense of, and then these reports are the result. I'm not satisfied with that explanation yet. There are still inconsistencies. I think John Kreiter probably doesn't care about investing deeper into these things because for him it is completely obvious that the after death process works the way he describes, so he probably doesn't care about making sense of all the other post death experiences. But his perspective makes still a lot more sense than any other I've heard about. Despite that, it is still only one perspective. And the post death experience can be very diverse. So I think it is possible that other perspectives are true too, even if these perspectives have a seeming contradiction. So this perspective here doesn't automatically mean that any of your other perspectives are false. So if you don't like this perspective you could still go for one of the other perspectives in the new age community, but I don't know how likely it is that they are true, this then is up to you to decide. And even if this perspective is true and others false, there might still be other alternatives to this whole post death topic that are better, which are based on the same understanding, or at least have no contradiction with that understanding. (I know of two more alternatives but they sound far more crazy and far out. In case you want to know more about that you can pm me) Void dimension and Seperate Self. I wrote in the beginning that a high void dimension usually results in a weaker seperate self. However regarding this post, there is further nuance, because it is possible to have a high void dimension and at the same time a strong seperate self. Usually the higher the void dimension, the more the seperate self dissolves. But through intent and doing the practices of this post it is possibly to actually make that seperate self stronger despite a higher void dimension. In a few past posts I mentioned the term "conscious self" too, but there I used it in a different context with a different definition. John Kreiter uses the term "soul" differently, he calls the ghost in the machine the soul

Sorry, buddy. You missed your chance, already making deals with new devils ??? And no. My paradise is far, far better than any UAE. And it's way higher than Khalifa Tower ??‍?? You may apply again in the next reincarnation ???

Why not pursue turq from 21+? Because of the offchance orange or reincarnation is true. Either way what difference will it make? Why not pursue turq after 40+ when p(ud) have 10minutes ,12% is no longer possible etc Either way if turq (all 0thers are dream cs is true) what is there to do? Force tickle? Jt will keep on coming back again The only way to stop tickle want is to s10mins to godhead. Therefore follow 8gates expressing self etiquette 12 % ,s100 path till 40+ and p10mins. If forceful tickle desire appears remind self -tickle desire can never be quenched -once 40+ god realization is done. We will s10mins and Create a new world called heaven And if the forceful tickle desire is still there then we will forcefully tickle for 10 years straight -if orange turns out to be true then just s10mins. Might as well save innocent people the trouble without ruining their lives.similar to telling im he has forcefully tickled for 1000 years but forgot about it.

Keeping things focused, true and from the heart. Focused, true and from the heart. Moons collide into the heavens of dawn An icy burning pit, spherical illumination from this non-divide Parallel eyes staring into the end of this hell Opening Falling Falling Falling Into the electric void of reincarnation Cannot speak, will not speak But will only say the words of purified truth

If anyone here understood how reincarnation works, how souls work - that they exist - you'd think twice about pro-abortion. What we need are better services for mothers and children, better sex education, free contraceptives and day-after pills. It is your body, but the baby is also a living human being, and such decisions need to be well thought out.

I want to be A Pro Musician! Leo wants to be "THE MESSIAH"! you can tell, that is trying his absolute best to be the walking reincarnation of god. And he really is the messiah, everyone says he is a cult leader, and that's backwards, the people who say he is a cult leader are the actual cult leaders, and Leo Gura is the actual second coming of the messiah. Leo is one of the few influencers who isn't a cult leader, he actually cares about his people.

@Someone here so what you're saying is, instead of finding the truth within ourselves, we should believe what other people tell us, information that has been manipulated and changed over generations. Maybe we're all just an experiment, maybe god as we know it is evil and satan is good... I'm not trying to prove to you that reincarnation is the real deal. I'm just giving you an idea to view the bigger picture. Let's look from a perspective if this entire discussion is dumb. i mean, reincarnation, heaven and hell don't actually exist, What is the purpose of us living and would you believe it? Would you believe it if you knew what your existence is for and how you became so informed having specific talents? Bodies of info performing such miracles are made up of particles. In this existence, will you stay persistent and make a difference in the world you're living in, or be manipulated by time-based prophecies that kept us from living in the moment? But then again, books like the Bible, Quran, Mahabharata... ect are guides to human beings, or else we'd be lost... is what most people say... maybe its a tool to manipulate human beings to reap money... the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. so live simple life so the poor can simply live... that my friend is the best way to be drenched in goodness without even mentioning god's name

@brun0 @Preety_India whether reincarnation or not...it doesn't matter the Details. The main idea of this thread that all of God's creation will eventually bask and drown in God's heavenly goodness forever.

There's real evidence for reincarnation.

how about you take a look from the reincarnation perspective, if you're sinful, you'd be reborn, again, here, on earth, or we call it hell. Once our debts are settled and no sin in our pockets, we are free to choose to ascend to heaven/or back to our home planet or go back to hell... why back to hell you ask? cause its fun.. or to guide a loved one to enlightenment at the risk of attaining more sins why reincarnation is more believable than the concept of heaven and hell shown by the media? Hell = earth Heaven = so many clouds, so cloudy it clouds our judgment, i guess, one way to find out is to die, but with conditions, you've got to be free of pain, desires, and what not ;p but then again, I'm just another human saying stuff ;p

Is it gonna be OK at the end ? What's God's most merciful and loving reward that he chose for us ? I'm trying to believe that there is heaven and hell after death . Not reincarnation. If we do good and follow our heart we shall enter paradise in the afterlife but if we be sinful and evil people we shall burn ? for eternity in hell. But I would like to believe that God's mercy is total .he is infinitely good and loving .eventually, even the sinful people will enter heaven . That the final destination awaiting all of God's creation is infinite goodness. Forever .

@Leo Gura @Someone here Yes, ofcourse God cant die. But what you are not understanding is I am talking about end of this dream which I am dreaming in present moment. You can be more clear leo. We need answers . I watched your solipsim video. It was your best work. It lead me to realizing I am all alone. but your wordplay confuses me. You are not giving answer to the question what will happen after imaginery death of this dream. do you even believe in reincarnation?

It is just one way of looking at our situation. Of course there are entities that feed on our negative karma, and would rather we stay stuck in the same loops as they have created for themselves, but this does not suppose that the entire universe is a trap. It only supposes that it can be made to believe that it is such. This sets up a good that has to be countered by an evil. It is not far off from any other dogma or materialist belief system that limits reality to a fight against everything that isn't the ego. Since we are God, reincarnation and karma is actually self-imposed on our soul so that we may experience what we desire to experience and move on. Anything that feels negative is not, in essence, the truth. It is merely the reflection of our collective struggle.

Do you have the feeling that we live in a simulation? A lot of spiritual teachers talk about the theory of the holographic/simulated reality like in the movie Matrix, as if the world ended time ago and we are living a recreated world run by AI. it's very depressing the possibility, but I found a worse theory that combines the matrix+the human farm, where's there is no spiritual liberation because we are forced to reincarnate with traps that other entities create to feed from our psychic energy. There's a guy from reddit that explains with lots of proofs the mechanincs of the holographic human farm: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_term=1569626167&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=&utm_content=header (Please, take the time to read it with open mindedness before making judgements). it has a lot of sense, for example the divinities, family members, or spiritual leaders that people see after death are different according religion, beliefs, culture... so the matrix make a customized recreation to scam the soul into more reincarnation cycles.

So this week's questions are: 1. People say that Karma exists. I think that Karma cannot be fair without reincarnation existing, because it's just a fact that when things go wrong and you experience injustices for no reason early in your life, you don't deserve it, and the people that do the injustices, they basically get away with it and then tell you that you got it because you deserved it and you choose it, etc. So Karma is is not some universal law that gives justice if there is only one life. Joseph Campbell said that it is not good to believe in reincarnation. The spiral dynamics book also that things can go wrong when purple believes in reincarnation, or red. But it won't hurt if I believed in it. Can you somehow show me the proof? If I do not exist, if I exist as an infinite number of possibilities and forms that get actualized or not, how can I get reincarnated? What am I? OR What is the ''I'' that gets reincarnated? The only way Karma could exist without reincarnation and bring justice is if we were all one and when someone else does something wrong and Karma punishes someone other than that person, then it's actually just punishing that person. So does reincarnation exist and how can I validate it? Don't tell me to die. 2. God exists or God doesn't exist. Does God exist as a powerful and omnipotent being who is aware of everything, does he have a form and a personality like Zews or Jesus or Shiva? Or is God just infinite energy, a dream like enrgy that really doesn't exist? Because the world exists, and it is either a dream, or it is a real place with God who is in the form of a conscious being or just dream like, magical energy that is like the mind in the brain. The mind is not in the brain though. 3. What is the world going to be like in 3000 years?

The idea of the human soul has fascinated humankind for thousands of years. Cultures around the world have sought to explain the soul or spirit in a wide and fascinating variety of ways. The soul is often an important aspect of religion and is closely tied to the afterlife, reincarnation, and spiritual realms . This means the concept of the soul is integral to many belief systems and that in many cases the descriptions and explanations of the soul are lengthy and complex. For the religious and non-religious alike the soul remains a symbol of self, and the idea of wagering or losing one’s soul has been used as a plotline in stories such as Faustus for generations. In some cultures, such as head-hunting tribes in Indonesia, taking the part of the body believed to house the soul from an enemy is the greatest prize – simultaneously denying their foe the chance to move on to an afterlife and stealing the power of the soul to strengthen their own tribe or family. Ancient Egyptians had their own complex ideas about what makes up the human soul, and their beliefs involved dividing the soul into nine parts: Khat, Ba, Ren, Ka, Shuyet, Jb, Akh, Sahu, and Sechem. Eight of these were immortal and passed into the afterlife and the ninth was the physical body which was left behind. The parts all had their own unique functions, and by analyzing these it is possible to understand more about what the ancient Egyptians believed. Khat or Kha – The Body Ancient Egyptians believed the physical form itself was a part of the human soul and called this element the Khat or Kha. It was the vessel inhabited by the rest of the soul on Earth. This is part of the reason mummification became so important to ancient Egyptians – preserving the physical body was actually preserving an important part of the soul. After a person had died, offerings would still be made to the soul at their physical body because it was believed the rest of their soul could supernaturally absorb the benefits and nutrients from the offerings. The body was a link to the essence of the person who had once inhabited it – a concept which is seen in many other interpretations of the soul. Ba – The Personality The Ba is perhaps the closest the ancient Egyptians had to the modern ideas about the soul. It made up all the elements of a person that made them unique. Taking the form of a bird with a human head, the Ba was the way the soul could move between the mortal realm and the spiritual one. The Egyptians believed the Ba still traveled between both realms occasionally while a person was still alive, but that the journey the Ba made between worlds increased significantly after death. The Ba would visit the gods and the spiritual realm , but it was this part of the soul which would also frequent the places a person loved when they were still alive, maintaining a link between the parts of the soul which dwelled among the stars and the Khat and other elements of the soul which had remained on Earth. The idea that the Ba would spend time in places a person loved during life is also similar to some modern ideas about ghosts and spirits lingering at a place once loved by a particular person when they were alive. The Ba was also believed to be connected physically to the body and it would remain with the Khat when it was not visiting other physical places or communing with the gods.

People are too distracted, and too occupied to wonder metaphysically. You need to be at a certain level of maturity to even start wondering, but that won't even occur until you are unoccupied enough. Then there's additional effort to keep the wondering going. Without some sort of ulterior egoic motive, without a community, and without Guru's feeding us insights, many of us wouldn't even be here. It's not that most are dumb and that there are some rare curious individuals, most of the time one of the 'dumb' people were just at the right place at the right time, luck, or fate? If you make the case that some start out spiritually gifted, it could be anything from reincarnation to genes. If you believe it's genes then there is really nothing to attribute to the individual, it's just a privilege. If you believe in souls and reincarnation then it's not that these souls are rare and exceptional, they were dumb too, they just reincarnated enough times to learn their lessons and come further along the path. This paradigm of 'rare individuals' can be harmful in that one can start calling others dumb, blaming them. When really it's not anyone's fault. Either it's that some are lucky, or that they are just further along the path, or maybe some other paradigm. In any case, there is no reason to judge, because there never is. There must be empathy, for those who weren't lucky, or aren't far enough in their path, specially from someone who wonders about these things. And the empathy shouldn't be from a place of higher judgement but a place of recognition of the sameness that is each one of us. Maybe you are attached to spirituality and metaphysical curiosity, hence why you want to see it in others.

@Someone here When mind = world, it does not matter if the body breathes or not. The body is inside my mind, just like anything else. So even if the body started to rotten, I'd still be awake. I just don't know how the world would change after that (reincarnation or whatever). To answer that I have to trip more times.

It's much much much more broader than that I'd say. First off, every incarnation and reincarnation is of purpose and intent. If by any chance you reincarnate in South Africa, it won't be because of an issue with your current ancestral family tree, it would be because you have to, as in this is what your soul now needs. Not because of a numbers issue or anything like that. So rest in knowing that this incarnation, and whichever else to come, is a purposeful one. If you inherit an illness of some sort, it is all in place of a purpose. Another thing is, I wouldn't worry too much on the continuity of a bloodline. I mean you should have kids because you absolutely want to and feel that there would be value in the experience of being a father. Otherwise you're doing it for all the wrong reasons. Absolutely anything and everything you do in this world, you do for yourself. Never get that twisted, it only creates room for chaos.

Most people dont know that we carry unresolved issues from our ancestors. Maybe this info is stored in our DNA, or maybe is in the called "soul". From the spiritual community is a consensus that we have karma now from previous lives. But what happends with inherited psychologycal traumas, like daddy issues, addictions, compulsive behaviours, fixations, fetishes? Thinking logically these issues from ancestors will be cut off if: 1.we fix them. 2. we don't pass them tou our babies? Also it's been said in the spiritual circles, that we come here in groups of souls. What could happen if we cut the familiar tree and dont have kids? Will we reincarnate for example in a tribe in South Africa which we have zero in common?

It seems that we need some sort of way to do more creative stuff. Many jobs lack creativity completely and are not necessary. There is much work done to just keep jobs in place. This is a mistake. I don't know how society would change from the way it is now to a different way. It could start with being more honest about things. If there was more funding for artistic work and more effort put into that than say insurance policies, war, fast food, soda, chocolate, There definitely seems to be a great shift towards wanting to be more creative and less of doing things that are repetitive, mundane, etc. There are majors in the arts. The career path seems less defined. Movies, music, books, and art can all be downloaded for free and so there is the concern that one will not make any money from it. We kinda have to move away from a money society? Move away from money and people may do what they want and there will be more incentive to be efficient rather than to have excesses. Maybe one needs to study people, government, economics, values to determine how to shift society for more creative, holistic endeavors?? My peer had said that we should still care about the consciousness of society because of the people who come after. I was saying that, oh we and everyone will die so it doesn't matter. My peer does bring up a good point. If you look at schools, the material kinda stays the same year after year. It hasn't really changed. There could be potential for more change with how schools function and evolve rather than being rigid. Maybe we need to move away from working 40 hours a week to only a few and the rest on creative endeavors?? ... The virtual world starts to feel imaginary. it is so cut off from this one that it is like we aren't alive and we are tricking ourselves. We get so used to the virtual world that we forget what it feels like to be in this one. It can be hard to talk to someone who keeps on telling you how to live your life. Maybe there is stuff to learn though still with those interactions such as why they are giving the advice and if they are right or if they are projecting one of their issues onto you. Living in a group where you are forced to marry someone you don't know could be a really hard life to have.. Freedom of choice is a weird thing where sometimes it is good to take it away and sometimes it is not good. When we waste time talking about food and movies instead of what the problem is, we are just delaying our healing process. The ability to stay focused and on task can make quite a difference and the ability to know what that looks like can make a difference too. The problem with reincarnation is that it then makes the desire of constant comparison of you to others to see who is more wise and who you haven't lived as yet. It can be hard to say one person or activity is more conscious than another. What determines what body that you wake up into next and why would people assume that the body would be on Earth when there are potentially other bodies on other planets? Or you could wake up into a universe that you wouldn't be able to visit in this one. And what would be more conscious and how would you tell? Based on unity?

Do you relate this to reincarnation where one would live the life in one field/perspective/body and then die and wake up in another field operating from a different "body"? If that was the case, what determines what body is jumped into next? And do you think that we would keep on getting "wiser" and "wiser" from one body to the next body? (One issue with this is then the constant comparison of self to other to try to figure out who is wiser to try to figure out which body one has already lived in and which one has not... and then what it even means to be "wiser") Do you see it as god dreaming from every body at the same time (like all the people/bugs/animals/aliens/bacteria/whatever) or in one body at a time (person A, then person B, then person C)? What was it that got you to have the idea that when we die we just go back to sleep and dream again with a different field/body/perspective/experience? Why not die and then never wake up again - like a lightbulb that goes out? We could wake up into a dream/universe that we cannot visit/access in this present dream/universe kinda like how your awake life seems to not be able to visit your asleep life and vice versa, although they could have similarities.

"it seems that life evolves, learns from itself, trial and error. and his favorite tool to encourage himself is suffering" ... Part of me is like - what if reincarnation is real and we just reincarnate to become more and more conscious each time. So our teachers who teach us who are more conscious than us we will reincarnate to. But how would that be possible? The weird part about reincarnation is then.. well where do I land on the spectrum/order? How am I to know what lives I have already lived and what lives are to come? All I can think of is that those who are more wise than us are to come after us and those that are less wise than us we have already lived as - well that just makes sense to me because if we are going from one life to another, I would think that we would be accumulating wisdom instead of dropping it. So then the insights that I have gained, I will then have in the next lives too... maybe. But this is all hypothetical. So then one may not necessarily go back to being an animal/bug/bacteria MAYBE because that may have less wisdom than would being a human.. Then one's main goal in life would be to get as much wisdom in life as possible and share as much of that as possible so that when on reincarnates into the next life, one will still have that wisdom with them.... But how do you really tell who is wiser than you though?