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OK help me set this straight ..you're saying : life is a dream..therefore its illusory..therefore death itself is a dream . But so what ? Imagine that you're having a nightmare in a nightly dream and you are being raped and tortured and even burned or castrated..now I come to you in your dream and tell you: hey! This is all a dream .don't worry. Etc That doesn't help ..I understand that everyone and everything is being dreamt up on the fly RIGHT FUCKING NOW and so there is actually no such thing as yesterday or no such thing as WW2 or Hitler's holocaust etc..but this is only from the absolute perspective as you said . So please tell yourself that when you are suffering and contemplating suicide and see that it doesn't alleviate the suffering.

This may seem a bit silly, but are we the cells of the make up of the Universe. Just like we have cells in our physical bodies, we can look at the Universe as the "body of existence" and we, the human bodies are the cells and operate just like our own cells do. There are cells within our bodies that commit suicide and cells talk to each other. Humans do the same. They communicate and go at war with invaders and repair themselves and fight off free radicals. We do the exact same thing in life when you really examine how we live. Cells clean up the environment within the body and we also clean up our environment. Without going through the intricate details of how our cells operate, just think about it and you'll see a lot of similarities. Might just be a coincidence, idk, but it sure does have a lot of similarities. The different organs within the body serves their own unique purposes and just like how the blood is responsible for supplying oxygen to the cells, the trees and plants are responsible for supplying oxygen to the Universe. The insects would be considered the free radicals that clean up the environment and plants like mushrooms and fungi would be considered good bacteria and certain things bad bacteria just like within our bodies. All for the existence of Mother Nature. Anybody else that sees any other similarities, feel free to add them and this is just food for thought and just something that came to mind when I thought about suicide and why this happens and that our cells also commit suicide on their own. This doesn't take away from the fact that there's still God and consciousness and awareness and the mind and the I AM, etc. Infact, this is not about that, we're discussing the human body and all the other creatures and living things within nature serving as surviving systems for the planet and the Universe.

My therapist would kill me if I told them that suicide is imaginary. They couldn't even handle me saying that I am no different than the walls.

Can you explain suicide? Or you're just above it?

If Meta decides to boost posts that encourage suicide and spread them long and frequently enough, we will see suicide rates skyrocket. These mega corporations possess a power never seen before in humanity's history, would you prefer a handful of stage-orange greedy billionaires like Zuckerberg and Elon Musk with this kind of power deciding freely how to use it or the Government?

If solipsism is true its only you and suicide is imaginary.

Suicide is not an individual problem but a collective one. And the best analogy to understand it is to picture a person burning alive, it would be actually very wise to put a bullet in his/her head.

just to be clear. people don’t commit suicide as an attempt to be acknowledged. it’s also not to avoid pain. it is about ending the misery. suicide is not a foolish act. it’s complicated. people have their own reasons for doing things. and if it doesn’t make sense consider yourself absolutely blessed to never have been in the misfortune to the point where you complicate taking your own life. in a world consumed by violence, anger and chaos. I think it’s counterproductive to criticize what some may not and don’t understand. life is already difficult. no shade or hate. just a little irritated. About this misconception. suicide has never been about attention seeking behavior. it is about ending pain and misery.

Most teenagers attempt suicide as a desperate call for help Adults do it for more complex reasons, from asking for help to manipulation and even to push the edge and feel "something" It's rare for an adult to actually plan its own death but actually "fail" in the execution. Normally it's a planned attempt of suicide not a planned suicide, this distinction is nuanced and important.

@Davino I didn't mean thinking about suicide. Why would it be an attempt to survive? It's an interesting perspective.

Suicide is the most shattering mark you can make on the world around you an unanswerable response to the unmanageable pain that defined your reality making for an unrecoverable and unhealable lose-lose situation where the immense amount you suffer pales in comparison to the unthinkable and unremitting devastation and woundedness of those left behind they are now denied life way more than you were

@UnbornTao It's very different an attempt of suicide from an actually planned suicide. What you have said applies to the attempt of suicide. People really research how to kill themselves, they know what yields the results and what doesn't. So they decide to not cross the edge but play with the line. About actually pulling the trigger I don't consider what you say to apply.

Why do people not commit suicide from existential perspective?

Suicide seems to be an attempt at being acknowledged and at feeling on top of life rather than at the effect of it. It is either meant to demonstrate how much you've been hurt or to avoid what is considered to be unbearable emotional pain. Often it is actually an attempt to survive, just a dysfunctional and foolish one.

Yes I did some years ago You are right but it's like a growing issue which feeds itself until you finally decide to end things and that is only because you see no other meaningful thing in your life to live for because if anyone sees any meaning in anything to live for they wouldn't do it ever So it's only in the times when you don't find meaning in anything anymore someone who is considering suicide must only find meanings in their life in order to keep living

Most people who commit suicide actually aren't thinking that deep. They just feel like their current situation is helpless and they feel like there is no way out. They don't know about spirituality or awakening, or anything like that.

Even though you may not commit "full" suicide, we kill ourselves with many behaviours: bad eating, no sport, uncalibrated sleep patterns and so on. This I call microsuicides. So I would challenge the notion of binary suicide and contrast it with a progressive spectrum that may lead to its climax voluntarily or death may arrive through other ways nevertheless.

Why love life more than death? Why love your particular distinction of body and not love its dissolution? That's Love Love doesn't solve suicide Relatively maybe Absolutely? Not really Love is Infinite and embraces all that is Depends on the standpoint of Suicide, many different paths may lead to the contemplation of committing suicide God itself We are arm wrestling ourselves

How dare you judge that someone's suicide is illegitmate?

@Leo Gura i mean yeah sometimes suicide is legitimate, if you have a serious health problem which makes you suffer a lot and no way to fix it.

Thanks @shree Interesting! Yeah, it was quite a pain in the ass. The other part was my father didn't really have the sensitivity to know which stories of the old testament are definitely not meant for children. And he constantly reminded me that we already live in "the end times". In those times, christians get killed, locked away and tortured. Problem: "if you deny Jesus, Jesus will deny you" (bible). So under extreme torture, according to him you should stay strong and stay true to jesus. Of course my creative fantasy was beginning to imagine all kinds of horrors. In my mind I tried to invent different suicide methods that can work even with a completely fixated body... So these were my prospects as a five year old: Either you get tortured to death and resist the temptation over and over again to end that by denying jesus or you get tortured forever Or in short: How you forge a serious philosopher Now I really love my parents and see how they acted out of love, they were worried about me and my future. They didn't know better. And of course, it was actually me pranking myself. Such a great bullshit I could convince myself of for a while! Wow!! 🤯

@Leo Gura Why did you contemplate so deeply suicide in your path till finding peace in yourself?

Perceived Lack of Autonomy or Control, Isolation and Loneliness, Persistent Mental and Physical Health Issues, Suffering and Hopelessness, Fear of a Meaningless Existence, etc. People who consider suicide often experience a pattern of inescapable suffering. Imagine being abducted and taken to a secluded island where you know no one will ever find you for 150 years, and you are tortured every day. Wouldn't you be tempted to end it all to escape the unending agony? This is similar to what people who feel trapped by their suffering experience. They feel as though there is no escape, no end to the pain, and no way to change their situation, which can make the idea of ending their life seem like the only option.

@Someone here One of the biggest causes of suicide is depression. You feel very numb in this space and life does not feel worth it

"from an existential perspective" is an entirely ambiguous, and open for interpretation suicide is always done practically and occurs for practical reasons. the person is in so much pain, usually their own creation, and out of ignorance and a lack of perspective, end it, because deep down we all know death is the end of suffering, not intellectually, nor is it guaranteed, it's beyond all that.