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There is one thing which you are not getting it, which I am going to repeat to you for the third time now: Getting liberated is one thing; guiding another person to liberation is another thing. If you want to guide others to liberation, you should not only be liberated and free in the first place, but you should also know how to communicate certain things, starting from a person who is a beginner on the path (whose conditioning is very deep) to someone who has progressed quite well. How many people will understand what you just said? How helpful will it be to a seeker who has already learned a lot of concepts about enlightenment? I already mentioned that speaking about absolute and relative is a teaching device! I already addressed this in my thread regarding neo-Advaita trap! Enlightenment itself is a lie! When I tell a person that he is not enlightened, I know that I am lying to him.. Because, saying 'you are already enlightened' to an absolute beginner will do nothing to him! Saying 'you don't have to do anything for enlightenment' will make no difference to him! How do you talk to a 3-year-old kid? If she doesn't eat food, you may first try telling him 'You will not grow up if you don't eat properly'. But she wouldn't listen. Then you may try telling her 'If you don't eat then I will ask Santa Claus to not give you any presents for Christmas' or something like that. Have you heard of the expression 'removing a thorn using another thorn'? A teaching is not the truth but a device! I had a Satori in 2002. If you had told me that enlightenment is like a process which happens with various awakening experiences, I would have agreed with you by that time.. Because, I indeed had a lot of such glimpses which allowed me to feel like I was getting 'more awakened' than before ...But I cannot agree with you now because what happened in July 2014 pretty much ended it. There is no more getting closer to anything because I am everything... Your problem might be this: Since you already said that this is not your experience, (which I myself would have said before July 2014), you have a problem in accepting what we say. Because, you also want to consider yourself as 'enlightened'... That's why you keep asking people 'If my experience is different than what you say, will you consider as enlightenment'... Why do you even care? Why do you expect such a validation? Because you want to put a label called 'enlightenment' on your experience of reality. You may say that this is a projection. But you are pretty much proving this is true, everytime you post a message on this forum. Of course, it is a belief, in the same way, saying that a tree exists is also a belief (according to how you are defining belief here)... Because I can doubt the existence of a tree but I can never doubt the existence of the consciousness which is aware of the tree.. In this sense, what I say about you is a belief too. But just like there is a consensus among people that the tree actually exists, there is also a consensus to what I am saying among people who are really liberated. When we interact with other people, we only communicate based on this consensus. I did not have any need to say that I am no longer living in duality until I decided to write about it on my blog. So, I was pretty much silent about it for about 2 years... Only after seeing that a lot of people are totally confused, I thought that putting everything down in writing can help them. And I know that it is helping them because they say that. Just day before yesterday, one guy who is in my friend list on Facebook was talking about the suffering he is going through. I offered him an assurance that suffering is not going to be permanent. He seemed to be really unhappy and finding his whole life meaningless. If I copy and paste what you have written above, it will not make any difference to him at all! They are just empty words... Note: Try to understand what I have written by paying full attention, not selective attention.. Do you know what that means?.. It is what you are doing. You only seem to scan for certain statements that you can possibly disagree with by semantics and selectively quote that statement alone... Once you pull out a statement from a passage, usually it loses its context.

Goddamit cant you keep it short, this how you do it Agreed No it isnt, Absoute comprises of everything. It is changeless, eternal, omnipresent, and ever everpresent. All change happens within Absolute. Absolute doesnt change. Yes No, sense of seperation isnt Absolute. Dont get confused. Its duality. Absolute is non dual. Dual is within Non Dual. Thats the best I can put into words. Im defining enlightenment as end of duality. When the false self kills itself realising its falseness, thats enlightenment. You can call taking a dump everyday enlightenment. The false self never existed. The false self which was endarkened as you say, kills itself, so nobody achieves enlightenment.Absolute was always Absolute. Enlightenment is not an achievement. You were always enlightened. In awakening, enlightenment becomes enlightened. Blah blah blah. Awakening needs a self to get awakened . I am completely truth realized, no self realized blah blah blah. I cant awaken because there is no me left to be awakened. I hope this answers your questions man And if you have more, I request you to keep it short.

@MarkusSweden One exists and the other exists.... in your mind Im still in the learning phase, i got knowledge but i dont quite got all the experience. I havent awakened yet. But i did get an awakening experience some days ago that the effects still remain! Im not sure there is a limit to knowledge, i think you always can learn more, just that there isnt a need to do it anymore after a certain phase

After you slow down and wake up, people will not understand you, ever, only another awakened human being will do. The majority of people are interested in "character", "strength", "routine", "stability", "ambition". Once you quit the problems of the world, the world remains stupefied about you. If a child is initiated from young age to follow breath and inner self then all will make sense for him. But to a human being preoccupied only with "ambition & money", then enlightenment is hell. Namaste, mfks!

Of course there is. If you abuse and manipulate others with your newly awakened understanding. It is quite rare, although i have seen it happen because even the awakened can be lured back in illusion and battle it out with the non-awakened only to end up abusing universal laws thus powers and abilities will be removed until pure of heart and alignment is restored.

But Leo will disappear. Leo will not experience it. Moreover one part especially caught my attention when you are mentioning - that there is not even consciousness and awareness it's only absolute infinity. I agree this is the ultimate insight. Groundless ground is not consciousness. It is nothingness which equals to infinity. 0 can not exist without other numbers. 0 means the non existence of other numbers. So after you become awakened to that groundless ground there even arises many questions what could happen to your consciousness after physical death. After Leo disappears.

@Joseph Maynor No.. You can call him with any name you want! By the way, I think you are probably aware that the word 'Buddha' just means 'the awakened one'.. Anyone who is awake is a Buddha. When we say 'the Buddha', we are specifically talking about Siddhartha.

1. No, object is not there, I can only speculate that the object is there based on my memories. Sense of time, space and objects is gone. Everything is viewed as AS itself 2.Nothing, no object is related to me because there is no me. "Everything" is the centre which cannot be disturbed 3.Awakened state cannot be altered because awakened state is the embodiment of truth realisation. Whatever is false never existed. Certainly mind and body can be altered if some disease crops up but not enlightenment 4.No psychological suffering. Everything is at peace 5.Two kinds of love: Agape: Love for everything as it is Devotion: Abandoning oneself and completely surrendering to the object of love Hope this helps

@Ether I died, and I awakened.

@Shanmugam Non-awakened: Rebirth? The Lil Wayne album?

have u awakened?

Matt Kahn says he shot woowoo rays into someone once and woke then up. I have no idea if it's true. But I'm really talking about direct transmission, just trying to be funny. Ramana Maharshi and countless other teachers believe in direct transmission, just being in the presence of someone fully awakened can help along the process, so I'm told. What do you think?

Below is an analogy that settled my mind on this life dream thing. Imagine Sarah is asleep dreaming. Lets call her dream character she identifies with as Nancy. Nancy is in New York City and there are lots of other characters - the taxi driver, her friend from college, people in a cafe etc. Nancy's subjective experience is that she is a separate self from all the other characters. Yet, everything in the dream including the landscapes and all characters are all one within a higher consciousness (Sarah's mind). However, Nancy is locked into her character and is unaware a higher consciousness exists. Even if Nancy starts searching in New York for awakening and enlightenment - it won't come - because she is still the Nancy character. Nancy will not be able to "figure it out" as Nancy. The awakening comes with the awareness of Nancy's character. The higher consciousness (Sarah's mind) could become aware that she is dreaming and it's all just one dream. Then the identification with the Nancy self dissolves. Similarly, there is a type of "higher" or "other" form of consciousness that cannot be awakened to as my life character that I identify with. I spent over 20 yrs practicing meditation, going to retreats, reading personal development and spiritual books - and I did it all as my dream life character, as "Nancy". Just like Nancy can't figure out how to awaken, neither can my dream life character. It comes from the higher one consciousness (e.g. the higher Sarah consciousness) that becomes aware of itself. This higher "Sarah" consciousness is beyond my understanding. It's really hard to for my self character to acknowledge. It can also be frightening. Consider it from Nancy's perspective. Imagine Nancy catches a few glimpses that there is a higher consciousness and she is a character within a dream. That her character is an illusion. It could cause anxiety, panic and terror in Nancy. She would likely struggle to protect her story and identity. For me, higher doses of psychedelics end the story and self identity of the dream character. I learned more in four hours of my first trip than 20 yrs of meditation and spiritual readings. Imagine the dream character Nancy dissolves and what remains is the higher consciousness. That moment would have more impact than all the activities Nancy did her entire life as the Nancy dream character. Other people have awakenings others ways. Yet for me, psychedelics was the ONLY tool that exposed and dissolved the Nancy dream character. As a novice, the experiences were terrifying and insane. On two occasions, I had desire to kill myself as that would be the only way to regain control and make it stop. Yet over time the self identity attachment has lessened and things just are. Just one big constantly IS. "Sarah" is just "IS" and my self identity is a character within that one giant "IS".

You played yourself, it wasn't criticism, it's observation but if you feel criticized by it then you may want to examine your own self. Ah... there it is.... keep a foot in "reality", huh? What is the point of blocking out life? Blocking out your family? It's you who believes this "headless" state has value, there is no authority or objective measure to suggest that it is truth, right, better, enlightenment or anything other than your preference, it's just the way you choose to believe. Some might even say it's the opposite of being present, that it's being absent in going from the zombie hypnosis of self consumed to the zombie hypnosis of headless escapism isn't an example of being awakened and awareness of presence in reality. You are welcome to believe anyway you wish to and I won't call it "false" but when you are calling the way others live 'false' you are just living a belief paradigm of your own dogma with judgement, not free from judgement of "centerlessness". This is the clarity of simple observation....if you feel criticized by it then ask "who" is it that is getting criticized? Baha

I think enlightenment completly shuts off all thoughts (desires, cravings). You might had an awakening experience but if you still have suffering\thoughts, you havent awakened

Who says that people that awakened cant have a sense of humour?

@Deep Nobody cant EVER. EVER. Prove they are enlightened. why? Because, we cant go inside another one's mind and see if they are thinking or not. We cant go into their body and see if they feeling lasting happiness, peace, fulfileness, completion, wholeness. Even if you got the truest teachings ever, that still doesnt mean you awakened because you cant do those two things.

@Faceless Yes but it is very rare. All experiences, memory, knowledge, coming and going are part of the Spanda. The perpetual motion of rising and falling. Existence-non existence. Experience-non experience. Awakened states-non awakened states. Knowing- no knowing. This infinite motion-Karma is driven by desire. Even the desire to be awakened drives the Spanda. Very rarely is the Spanda truly transcended. But when it is there is absolutely no one there. Complete annihilation.

@Scholar Now that you see the emperor has no clothes don't let the spin masters bamboozle you into believing their ass isn't exposed. There will be esoteric sounding word play and clever circling narratives used in an attempt to distract you. Attaining a genuine clarity in awareness allows one to recognize that attributing as many characteristics to what is said to be inconceivable and unimaginable as some do is laughable. As they tell the story of their concepts about it they say it's not conceptual and if questioned it's turned on you who isn't open to it or trapped in 'maya'. They declare the authority of directly knowing "absolute" as the only reality and truth dismissing all else as illusion and false. Cognitively priming you as they were primed as well in saying if you "search" for the truth it will be as they say it is so are suggesting if it's anything other than that it's not truth and you don't know the truth. The demonizing of thoughts, ideas, beliefs and mind is herding the 'seekers' by corralling them into a dogmatic belief paradigms and chasing off anything that strays from it as unawakened and deluded sheep. Everyone else repeats the regurgitated rhetoric and all the gurus agree so it must be true! So seek clarity, keep awakened and be at peace! Haha!

Yes for those who want to know the downside is: (personal experience) If you where a believer in a Diety as i was, or have had emotional struggle in life, trauma or injuries the following you must expect: The whole neural pathways and nervous system will re-route to your natural state, similar as you where as a baby. So, if you had stronger right side of the body per exemple or physical injuries, expect maybe numbness (days, weeks), trembling of extremities (days, weeks), tingling, heavy limbs, very hot or very cold parts of the body. I can say that it is a process until the whole system falls into the natural course, this might happen in stages, during months or years. You realize your natural flow and start breathing the the Fire unto Earth while you let go of Light (mind,head, middle of the head, muscle strain in the head). The so called 3rd eye is always open, always has been and it will be until last breath. The difference is between the awakened one and the non-awakened one. The ratio of reality perception is the following: 4-10% for the dormant being, 20-100% for the awakened ones who are in different stages because like anything this is the re-routing of your being. It is impossible to see 100% of reality as it is in 1 day. You start seeing it and understanding it, but it unfolds more and more on the path, that is virtually infinite, like evolution is, life is, goes to more and more complex. Tip: Root chakra is the rabbit hole, is the entrance to the 3rd eye. (You have to hit the ''tail'', in order to open the skull.) This is a glimpse of enlightenment. Blessings

This only applies to the not awakened ones. The human being with a natural flow of energy is unaffected. The awaken one will know how to in-jaculate and raise kundalini wherever he/she wants, at any time, anywhere. Blessings

Tap into Adam's Apple and any moment will be a deja vu. Deja vu is felt as something extraordinary from the duality/5 senses mindset only. The awakened one sees deja vu as a natural flow, he/she will live deja vu every moment. I say this by personal experience. Blessings

Sorry, I still see fragmentation as a result of a paradox. One becomes awakened once the fragmentation tries to fragment itself. Once the self wants to see what itself is. It sees it as a tunnel, a path to go, but the tunnel fragments itself. The cycle cannot contain itself and it explodes. The self sees itself for the paradox it is. Still, if one can see a path from paradox to fragmentation, then surely one can go from fragmentation to paradox. It goes both ways. Peace.

I did not self induce my awakening, infact I didn’t even know what kundalini was when I awakened it. It awakened after a period of intense suffering that led me to do a lot of spiritual work all in once. Kundalini is speeding up my development tremendously but the quantity of emotional labour I’m going through is huge. And I still have a lot of work to do and still a lot of my Self to discover. Kundalini is really forcing me to live the most true, honest, and clean life possible, because if I don’t then it makes me experience suffering. Thanks i read in books about shaktipat but I never met anyone who experienced it. I spoke a lot with one enlightened man but I did not ask him about this.

@WildeChilde kundalini is highly concentrated life energy located in the abdomen. Once it is awakened , all the stuck energy (repressed emotions, traumas, etc ) in all of your body will push to come out . This can produce very strong symptoms and be extremely debilitating. Awakening kundalini is a highway towards enlightenment. You have to be prepared to face your inner demons. Your repressed emotions (= the shadow that makes ego live = your neuroses = what distorts your perception of reality = demons ) cannot remain in you when kundalini is awakened. If kundalini is awakened once you have already done a lot of purification work (= your energetic body is already to a good extent clean ) , you will have weaker symptoms and you will obtain faster the positive effects it brings . There are also a lot of positive affects when kundalini is stabilized and flows well in you but I still haven’t experienced them. Usually kundalini is awakened once the navel or crown chakra are fully opened . I am in the kundalini process right now and I am having a very hard time.