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He is saying "For 32 years, i have been absolutely nothing. Deeper you go , the more you find yourself empty and.ultimately you find yourself just as zero and that's the point of enlightenment. You have disappeared. There is only light life infinite eternal. But, You are not there as a person. Buddha call it Nothingness, nirvana. Ultimate goal to be is nothing and it is never fill with anything". Idk what else to say to you. Do you need subtitles?

You are treating variables as though they add to one another, are conjoined, but they are mutually defined, connected and are dualities of one distributed entity. A sum of added parts / coinciding parts were one of the worst tragedies that happened to our intellectual circuits, they are effectively enforced accidents (inessentials) where any one part forcefully exists independently of the others. The modern language we use comes with the accident of every one combination of words that expresses meaning, the syntax of the sentence, and I believe this has forced us to think more syntactically about memories, the hypothesis from this is that tribes that only think by hieroglyphs or single words think wholes and are able to "see" the whole through the parts, that they think holistically because the accidental relations between things have not been forced on them through the way in which syntax of language efficiently allows one to think utterly differentiated things, partially from ones will and woe, at various points of the day or week which when generalised into entailments would be tremendously inconsistent with each other. When we employ immense amounts of conceptual thinking the inherent connections between parts can reemerge, where their distinction is falsified through investigation into the ground for abstractions (phenomenology, axiomatics and memories), such that nothingness derive from logical negation, negation derive from spontaneous distinction, ones sense of self is the same as others, limits unified with conditions, body identical with mind, the future identical with the past, space the same as time, algebra the same as geometry, energy as the same as space-time, logic as the same as identity etc.

@Da77en any belief is just an temporary reflection such as life. İt is like living on Nothingness.

Why does practically no one care about the intersection between physics and spirituality? Leo, of course, has a very well prepared answer to this. The answer is that the modern scientific establishment, which is a giant mass of self validating authority, cannot move beyond its materialist paradigm and start to consider the importance of the observer as part of the physical systems they are studying. (Someone correct me if I didn't get this right). The trouble for me is that even given this explanation, there are no "wackos", no "fringe" or "pseudo" scientist, no internet conspiracy theorists, NO ONE who have both a deep understanding of spirituality and physics, and also have a humble respect for truth and epistemology. Of course, you have to exert zero effort to find someone who claims to be studying, or has found some theory of everything which ties together biology, consciousness, the standard model, GR, and God into one self consistent theory with a nice little bow on top. Whenever I find someone with this type of claim though, the theory will be either utter speculation (neither based on direct experience nor experimental observations), supper narrow in scope (for example, a mathematical framework to tie together QFT and GR), or a leap from some physical phenomenon to consciousness with absolutely no logic or critical thinking in between (for example, Roger Penrose positing that consciousness arises from quantum effects in the brain. Anyone who has perused spirituality deeply will know that this is definitely wrong, because consciousness does not arise from physical phenomena but instead is responsible for those phenomena. Penrose is about as academic establishment scientist as you can get though). So like, can we please find one person who for example: 1. Knows that they are god, and all of reality is part of their mind. In other words they have discovered absolute truth. 2. Understands the mathematics and logic behind physical theories like general relativity and quantum field theory. 3. Seeks to use their understanding of these two fields to build a cohesive model of the universe. Starting from the one absolute truth and from there deriving all the relative truths that we know and love today. I mean, this is definitely a big ask, but at the same time you would expect to see a couple people working on this. In reality though, there are NONE. I think someone might be able to to point out a couple contenders for people trying to work on this, such as Christopher Lanigan or maybe Joseph Campbell. But their theories are unsatisfactory to me. So I'm going to try to be as clear as possible as to what I'm looking for: I want an explanation of everything, nothing less. I want someone to be able to take the unopinionated ground truth of all of reality, which is nonduality, god, consciousness itself, or whatever you want to call it. I want the theory to start from 0. From nothing. From the point of total nothingness and ending in the exact nature of the reality which we see before our eyes today. A theory like this would be totally logical and be based on subjective experience of absolute truth at the most basic level. From this point, I want to be able to describe the nature of our conscious experience, and the objective reality which we seem to be experiencing living in. I want U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3) symmetry to be explained, and I want every physical phenomenon in the whole universe to be able to be explained. I don't really see anyone who has a really good understanding of the foundations of physics right now and at the same time has a really good understand of consciousness and absolute truth. Personally, I have what I would consider a surface level understanding of both of these things. I'm working on it myself, but I don't see anyone else who I would consider to be like me. I have spent some time at a Buddhist monastery so far, and I have bachelors in mathematics and physics, but I have waaay more work to do before I really even know the exact questions to ask. Anyway, all the theoretical physicists today are materialists and if they are talking about consciousness it's because they want to be trendy, but really they have no idea what they are talking about once they get away from physics. All mystics I know of who know about direct experience of absolute truth seem to not really care about physics, or have a very lazy understanding of it. So yeah this was just a rant let me know what you think.

I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

I agree with you. However, ego/thought can be under control. That's what coming home is about. Yeap. But again, when you completely surrender to god/emptiness/nothingness, it is under control. Believe me.

So is reincarnation true? Is there life after death. I want you to contemplate the following quote: "Think of it like this: Before you were born, you were in a state of nonexistence/nothingness -- kind of like how you might imagine death to be. But yet, you were born from this nothingness. It is like you were in death already and yet you came to be! Death is fertile for birth. After you die, you do a similar process as you did when you were born. The Universe knows no time. Eternity is at the blink of an eye. This is one life out of an infinite that you'll live. Existence is the miracle. The Universe is Magic! Welcome to the game of Eternity." In this way, death can be understood as the reset for rebirth. You could be dead for a billion years, but yet, the time between your death and the next life would be as if no time passed at all just like in your sleep. When you die, it will be as if you never even lived, but it will also be as if you never died either. You've lived an infinite number of past lives already, but to live this life requires you to forget all the others. Is reincarnation true? Well, what is the alternative? That you die and never wake up? Or that you wake up from nothingness just as you have already done before? How is it even possible that you were born in the first place? Do you see how existence is like rolling a double six. It might be improbable, but the Universe is eternal. That means that it has eternity to make the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 probability happen. This 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 is life itself. No other planet that we know of has life on it. The Universe will keep rolling until it hits the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000. But it will be as if life is a given. It will be as if rolling a double six was meant to be. If the Universe is eternal, then it makes sense that life, no matter how improbable it is, will inevitably exist. Life is inevitable because of eternity. In the same way, how could your rebirth not be inevitable because of Eternity?

I am also starting to love him, I came to know about him from this forum. But have to say it was clouded with leo's view, like I looked for every post in the forum about him and in one post he says there are better books than his(dispenza), so I thought this doctor maybe not that good. Then honestly speaking I was doubtful about healing, as leo's health conditions got worse and his high consciousness was not helping him, my thinking pattern was like, even the most awake man couldn't heal. There are certain karmas you have to go through. Right now am watching a lot of success stories from dispenza yt and its like making my mind open about healing. I am doing his BOTEC meditations and I hear him say about you are Love, field, merge into nothingness, be nothing etc make me think he had enlightenment experience and choosed healing path. Anyway what dizpenza is doing is remarkable work.

As for the so-called eternal consciousness, that experience is just the bodily sensations(sight, sound, smell, taste) coupled with a spiritually conditioned imagination. When that body dies, so will the concepts of so-called eternal consciousness held there. There is nothing eternal or permanent. No need to call nothingness eternal because it already never existed.....it's not eternal or temporary....it simply never was! ❤️

Thank you for taking the time to share some thoughts. This idea is still half baked so bare with me. They both exist to some extent. I believe the term "transcend and include" was popularized by Ken Wilber - a hugely influential writer in most english speaking spiritual contexts. Transcendence is exciting, mysterious, illuminating, confusing, and easy to spike emotions. It is often communicated as a panacea that you just quite haven't glimpsed yet. Just sit more, or go on more retreats, or buy my course. Memes spread faster and are stickier when it is presented in this framing. Thus it is common. This also means courses sell better in this framing and vulnerable people are easier to manipulate. Economic incentives perpetuate this framing as well. Moloch and marketing. Communicating to hurt souls that they must go through their own internal and external complexity (relationships, traumas, ambitions, sadness, anger, prides, joys, enlightenments) in a unique and personal way specific to them that no paint by numbers approach can facilitate doesn't sell and doesn't spread. This is however mostly true. Most of which enlightenment doesn't solve. After enlightenment the laundry or in our case the breaching of planetary boundaries, collapse of civilization, and destruction of all life on Earth. (I love you Leo no shade <3 just trying to make a point with a shared reference) Why has Leo reached "Alien conciousness" yet still talks down to his viewers and struggles to show even moderate levels of Love? Because in spite of his transcendence he has a lack of inclusion or integration. Why are we always talking about stages of development and (even though it is occasionally mentioned) never talk about what it means to include fundamental stages or what integration even looks like? Love, compassion, and depth are all ripened during inclusion and integration. These are the qualities that touch others hearts. Almost no one is moved to tears by your stories of how its all nothingness and god. They are moved by the way you listen when they need a shoulder. They are moved by an act of kindness when there is nothing to gain. These things are not cultivated in transcendence but rather inclusion (transcendence is necessary not trying to downplay its value) and yet are what a human life is about. When we strive for "higher" states of consciousness we forego reality. We want a delusion in our head, not the sacred reality that is our face. Who wants to cry for an hour about their childhood, or have depression or depersonalization for 2 years? No one, yet that is what life may call for us. This all can be part of a deepening process if integrated and included into our beings. If I bring Love to my darkest moments, then I can Love anything. Thank you for adding your perspective and sharing your time. <3 Spirituality is about reality and what is true. Transcendence and humanity are true at the same time. Relegating humanity to something lower or simply survival misses the point. Ultimately it is a dialectic to be resolved. God and humanity are one. God and survival are one. A human life although deeply moved by survival is so much richer than that. We are tasked with bringing as much of God into our human life as we can. Continually growing that capacity. It means how can we deepen our Love? How can we deepen our Wisdom? How can we deepen our compassion and understanding? How can we heal our trauma? How can we communicate more lovingly in an argument? How can we make sure our sister feels seen when she is sharing something vulnerable? Practical things that require so much inclusion and integration. Thank you for sharing! This is a point of view that I sympathize with because it makes so much sense to me. Unfortunately, I don't think it always lives up to its logic. We so often (not always) see those with seemingly enlightened states abuse their power, struggle to show compassion/Love, and be distant. You are right to point this out. It most certainly does not contradict and I apologize if I notioned in that direction. I believe they have some kind of dialectical relationship. If you have no new experiences, you have nothing to integrate. If you only have new experiences and no integration you are hollow/shallow. Integration/inclusion is so much deeper and richer than letting go of fear. But most people wouldn't know this since integration and inclusion never gets spoken about. Thank you for sharing this PurpleTree! This is certainly a trap in spirituality. To truly see reality you can't be looking elsewhere. But this is not what I am speaking of. Integration and inclusion is more than self help, self healing, or solving issues. It is about deepening your soul. If transcendence brings you up, integration grounds you. two sides of the same coin. Never heard of this! Sounds interesting! However, it does seem like another genuine but misguided reductionism of reality. to reduce spirituality to just trauma healing or to just vipassana or to just zazen is a similar reductionist mistake that scientists make when they reduce reality to just atoms. The human complex is so varied, personal, and mysterious. To grow takes everything. Preach my brother! Reality is everything in every direction. Just integrating/including the Love you shared in conversation with your mother is some of the most beautiful spiritual work you can do.

I don’t think there really is a nondual way of looking at these things. It’s basically to drop the self and others and then everything and all opinions mostly collapse into nothingness or unknowableness.

I think we can know nothingness through deep dreamless sleep. At the time we know nothing but when we wake up we can point to that and know that nothing was there… but then we have good and bad dreams which imo points to the light and the dark that’s born out of nothingness

The nothingness is nothing, is a way to talk , there is only you, the reality, what exist Nothingness is a realization that appears in meditation when the form dissapears, then the reality appears as absolute void, then you realize that even there is no form, always is you, the being, the absolute potential. That's existence.

Which is the 'you' that you say that is always permeating nothingness? So there are two things: You and Nothingness? Haven´t you consider the possibility you are actually the nothingness? 😉 Therefore, Nothing has the quality that it has no quality, no manifestation and non existence.

Non-existence does not exist because you are always permeating nothingness to the last corner (metaphorical) of infinity, since you are infinite. not finite, not end. never. you are, that's it. reality is, now, and now is always, now is what exists, the time, before and after, and in the now, are appearances. you can understand exactly why you are always, its obvious, its because there are no limits, then you are, and you are total, everything. it's absolutely impossible that it isn't, because there are no limits. you are unlimited. Its not something mysterious os alien, its you, now.

Pure non-existence is not so pure. Even when this fractal spiral of dreams within dreams is transcended and pure empty being or para-being, empty para-consciousness is left alone without any content I wouldn’t call pure non- existence. Non-existence of content - yes, why not, but non-existence as pure nothingness is just a concept. Even if you dissolve your egoic multilevel structure and there’s no experience of anything left, the awareness of pure being remains. And this primordial awareness is not en experience of course. So, I would be careful with such claims as non-existence. Pure non-existence cannot exist by elementary logic.

Do we go around chasing our arm, our eyes, the sun, night time, daytime, or anything that is already present. Anything that is inevitable or we know is there or sure is about to come, no. We're in a relaxed state about it. We don't think about our fingers unless it hurts; and we don't focus on whether or not daylight will show up in the morning, we go to sleep knowing the sun will rise whether it's a cloudy day or not. All these things have been neutralized within our awareness and have collapsed back into oneness. When nighttime appears within our awareness it's already perceived that daytime will follow. When daytime arises, nighttime collapses back from whence it came, back into nothingness. We don't ask where the hell did daytime go and go chasing for it, we are at peace knowing it will show up. That anxious feeling isn't arising. We're at peace with all those sorts of things. Knowing our arms are on our bodies, our eyes are there, the sky is there and that our hearts are beating. This is how things become one with the Universe. That trigger energy didn't disappear, it collapsed and blended in with the flow. So did the happy energy. We feel happiness for 5mins then the happiness blends itself and become one again. So does every emotion. They arise and subside within our awareness. They are still potentially there; but until there's focus and attention, they lie dormant. Happiness, joy, excitement etc, gives us such a dopamine hit that the mind doesn't want to let go of that feeling. We chase happiness because we're unsure. Unsure of it's existence. We need to see it to feel alive. Even sadness. We need these emotions to come out of their non-dual state for us to know we exist. If not, we'll feel dead inside. We will feel that nothingness. We don't want to feel like nothing; and because happiness is the feel good state, we chase it around like a cat chases a mouse. We need to feel alive. We also chase other emotions and feelings, but I'm concentrating on happiness here even though this goes for every emotion. Happiness has to collapse back into the flow of oneness because that's it's nature. It cannot be otherwise. We don't understand this, so we chase it down. It keeps coming back up, but not for long as it's a very short-lived sensation. Depression is happiness turned in unto itself. Picture an umbilical cord trapped and cannot free itself. Stopping happiness in it's tracks from birthing itself. These energies are free but the mind enslaves them. When the mind liberates itself and welcomes all these energies to flow and collapse as they are designed to do because of the Absolute nature of the Universal flow, then they're not trapped within the body. We chase after happiness because sadness is trapped within the body so is anxiety, confusion, anger, fear, jealousy, etc. All these emotions makes us feel contracted and constricted. So, we chase after what we believe will loosen them up, not realizing that they'll just surface again once the happy energy subsides. Ever notice happiness doesn't create a problem for us. It's because this energy is welcomed and shown love. We don't reject or hate it. It comes and goes more freely than the other ones we associate negativity with. Those one's get more attention and focus so awareness stays within this side of consciousness. They feel more intense. Anger feels more intense than happiness because of the attention we give it. We don't usually consciously chase anger because it doesn't feel good, but we are still chasing it in the silent pursuit for happiness. We will search out things and circumstances that makes us feel upset and bothered because that happiness dopamine hit wears off too quickly. Either way we're chasing emotions to make us feel something - something rather than nothing.

The ego or separate self is always trying to extract something from reality. But it’s made of the same nothingness as reality. It’s as if one part of the ocean was trying to extract another part of the ocean to keep for itself. Nothing trying to extract nothing from nothing. It’s hopeless. TurtlePee 2024

The problem is its not answerable there are people who have experienced it but its not something that can be answered its before anything you have ever experienced. We aren't concluding we are witnessing it. The void of nothingness is right in front of you there's just stuff in it right now. Anything we do will just be logic and this logic is based around this nothing we are talking about. If you see it words mean nothing, if you don't you will be looking for something in the words that's not there.

Void, emptiness, Nothingness. İt is like an air but it has no molecules therefore it is within everything. Therefore, it is nothing and everything at the same time.

Even if we say that everything originates from ‘nothing,’ the fact remains that we are still experiencing something: awareness, thoughts, emotions, and that experience is real to us in the moment. To me, the fact that we can think, feel, and be aware points to something more than just a void. Even if these things come from a source that seems unknowable or not tangible, they still exist as experiences within our consciousness. So, while nothingness may be the origin of everything, our awareness of it still exists as something we experience and cannot deny, even if we can’t fully explain it. It’s like saying that we can’t understand where consciousness comes from, but we cannot deny that we are conscious and experiencing.

@Spiritual Warfare The nothingness does exist. When you turn into nothing you can still think emote and feel but nothing will be doing it. You will see all these things are coming from a source that isn't there or cant be found, therefore it is nothingness and it is experiencing something and it exists. we think all the information is coming from outside in the world but everything that is experienced is coming from this source of nothing right now. When the outside world goes all sense perceptions go but everything else stays. All the invisible things in the universe that we perceive is coming from the source of nothing. Those dont go anywhere just the idea that these perceptions are coming from somewhere other than nothing is seen to be not true.

Big progress was made today. And I say today and not tonight because It happened in the morning after i had been awake for hours. I had 4 out of body experiences in a row, in a time span of about of an hour and a half , all on the way INTO sleep instead of coming out of sleep like I have usually done. WOAH! These have been the most vivid and realistic yet. I've learned and enjoyed so much ! I woke up around 7:30 AM and did house chores. 9 AM came and I felt a little tired and decided to lay down in bed, without the intention of falling asleep. I put on my overhead earplugs and eye mask. I was having a pretty clear mind and could imagine and think pretty clearly for my standard, so the intention was to enjoy that as I lay in bed. As I was thinking with my eyes closed, I was imagining and seeing things more and more vividly and what usually are just simple short thoughts and mental pictures, started becoming a burst of multiple Microsleep's. AND IT WAS IN ONE OF THOSE BRIEF MOMENTARY MICROSLEEP bursts that I realized that I was not in the " real physical world" but I was in an Imaginary world " , I inmediately became lucid and took controll over my body - Comment : It's absolutely essential to have a couple of goals when you get in the phase, or otherwise you will get lost in random stuff and lose consciousness and fall asleep. You must remain intentful and on the go. What naturally comes to me is my desire to interact with girls, which is very rewarding and authentic for me at this point. OBE #1 - I appeared into a house party at late night. There was a lot of people. I saw a girl I know from sight. She's extremely cute. I grabbed her by the hand, pulled her into me, looked her into her eyes and smiled. She gave me the biggest anime eyes and smiled back. I didn't want to rush having sex this time. I wanted to explore the interaction and realm more. By now I know having sex is prone to getting me out the phase because it's such a strong experience. I took off her top and we made out a lot. It felt very realistic both in feeling and sight. Something that's obvious but not so obvious is that for sex to happen I need to get hard, otherwise we are just grinding on eachother, so of course it won't happen until I'm excited. I didn't think it mattered in that realm but it does. There was a different girl close to us but she was with a guy. I reached out with my hand regardless and she smiled but she didn't join us. I'll try that one next time. We walked around the house and we walked towards a dark room. I told her I cant go there or I will dissapear. We turned around. She left me for a second. I said that if she wants to leave she's free to go. She said she doesn't want to leave me as she went to the turntable to put in a new CD. As I turned my back again to see her everything went black and I " woke up " A big insight I've had is that geometry is non-euclidean in that realm.If you look forward at a wall. Turn around 360 degrees and look again at the same wall, It won't neccesary be the same again. You can create a new reallity as the edges of your vision go into nothingness ( you may have a field of view of 200º horizontally at a time and 100º vertically , so you dont capture a full 360 of everything at once, therefore there are blind spots. as you look away and into these blindspots, a new reallity can generate ) Another take away is that consistency is not as consistent as in the physical world. If you try to go trhough a wall or a window, and it doesnt work the first time, it doesn't mean that if you try again it won't work. That one was mindblowing. It was just an assumption I was carrying from the " real world ". OBE#2 happened right after the first one. As I woke up, Inmediately tried to roll out of my body. I was in my room. It was very dim and dark. Darkness makes me get kicked out so I set the intention of making it bright as I touched and palpaped my body to make sensations more vivid. It worked. I wanted to get out of my room through my window. The mosquito net didnt let me ( again ) . I tried again. Nothing. I tried again, this time I went through! Haha! What a funny logic. I was in my garden and I started flying. Initially I knew the area ( my neighbourhood ) but eventually everything was different ( non-euclidean geometry was sick here ). I jumped on top of my house, and on the other side was a 300 meter fall down!!!! I was scared but I jumped anyways. If I didn't manage to calm myself down I'd get kicked out. I started fluing at a speed of 200km/h or so. It was amazing. I could see everything and feel the cold wind through my body. I was flying around the town looking for a woman but all the houses were empty. I realized I need to consistently check for my entire body . Sometimes I get kicked out for aparently no reason but that this time as I was flying 200km/h, I looked down and my legs were tied up in a pretzel. OFC! I had just jumped from 300 meters high lol. It was okay until I had noticed it. So making sure my entire " suble body " is doing fine is important I guess OBE #3 was more of a dream didn't go entirely lucid. I exit my body but sort of lost consciousness and was just going on autopilot. I was fighting a skunk that was running around my room with a shovel. I accidentally picked it up with it, flipped it into the air and it landed on me. that " woke me up ". There was one more, but I dont remember right now. These memories sometimes fade if you dont write them down inmediately, and later throughout the day they hit you out of nowhere. I want to try to astral project inside the astral projection. I forgot to try that. Or as I feel I'm fading out, close my eyes and try to teleport somewhere. Or Imagining that protective bubble I was talking about , or " rooting down " or holding onto objects . I want to try again. I'll keep y'all updated.

I like to think of reality as an infinite spectrum, with the absolute at both end, and the relative everything thing in between: So at the lowest end of the spectrum everything is quanta. Then the spectrum moves up into energy, sub atomic, atomic, molecular, cellular (hi my nerve cell) organic (hi my brain), animal, human, behavioral, archetypal, emotional, sociological, psychological, soulful, spiritual. Then at the highest end of spectrum everything is divine consciousness. Outside of both ends is nothingness. Within is everythingness. This model works for me. The divisions, like all divisions are arbitrary.

@PurpleTree so you are forced by nothingness..., so be it. If you ok with that I am ok as well😊. Good night (it's late here)😘.