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It is difficult to embrace the reality that you really are infinite nothingness, but it is so. nothingess uniform, no accidents, flat, pure, timeless, perfect. which also means, without a doubt, that nothingness is

let go of feeling like you don't know anything, that you're not getting anywhere, that you're not gaining anything, that you're not getting "it". The universe IS NOT INFINITE LOVE the universe IS NOT INFINITE INTELLIGENCE the universe IS NOT NOTHINGNESS We are tricking you. We are gaming you. The truth is not those things. NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT LET GO LET GO LET GO

Nothing there. Hope one day you will wake up from nothingness .

"I got wet in this warm waterfall that originates from nowhere I surrendered to the pressure of this waterfall. I let go of myself and let the water move me wherever it likes I let it take me to the furthest of places, I closed my eyes Succumb, Surrender, Let go I let myself be, be one with it's flow. Than I let the river take me wherever I stopped worrying about hitting the rocks in the way, for there were none. I opened my eyes and looked at the the sky's magnificent stars Twinkling as the owls hooted and wolves howled in the forest around the river Even with this dance of sound, sight, feel and smell around me I found this stillness permeating through it all, peace. Nothingness dancing as something" I wrote another poem. I have a question. Is it ok to keep posting poems I write overtime here in this sub forum? Edit: I came up with another poem when walking around. Thought I should add it in here. "The owls hoot into the full moon, The wolves howl into the night sky. A certain silence lives in the vastness of this forest. I bask in it, I soak it in I let it seep into me, permeate me I sit, and be."

Agree with ya but: A stick has 2 ends, the end is just one side. Its hard to escape the finite, I've tried all my life, which happened to be forever. Well yeah, but we can go further then that. It was always over, and you were just pretending it wasn't, because finite = pretending. Your nothingness, not a something. The only way to be a something is to pretend. And how can you be infinite if you can't pretend to be every finite thing? We can go so far as to realize that meditation never caused nothing to happen, never caused ego death, you were just pretending it did, because the infinite includes pretending that meditation gets you to nothingness or killing your ego. You can go so far as to realize the entire path is just a play, a play of finiteness, and the only thing that truly "awakens" you is the end of the finite, not meditation. Meditation is part of the play. Be warned, if you go this far into realizing nothingness, it will be very uncomfortable though, you can't take credit for anything, and you can't fool yourself into thinking you're helping someone else. Because those "others" are just pretending, like you, and they are just pretending they don't know what's written here, they are pranking you, so hard that they actually believe they need help from you, when they don't. Because they are God obviously. And their ignorance is all pretend. And what makes an enlightened person different from an unenlightened person is the enlightened one is different, special because he doesn't play the game because he's enlightened... well I can't claim to be that, because I'm pretending to know that all of you are pretending. The enlightened ones are the biggest players of all. No self realization - pretend. Meditation gets you to nothingness - pretend. Once that realization is had, you're no longer enlightened (or unenlightened). The finite is just coming to an end, including your enlightenment. This is just my Experience, not saying its that same for you though. I totally appreciate that some will think I'm completely deluded, and I totally accept that, I don't have anything to defend. Never did, just pretended to. And so don't you, you really tricky fucken devil.

An insight from a chat today that might be useful regarding meditation and horseshit. There’s nothing wrong with a quick morning meditation, to let thought activity settle, get in touch with feeling, etc. Yet, calling this meditation is comparable to calling a wink, sex. Meditation is truly, really, the end. There’s not going to be anymore you and your roles, your gender, your preferences, your stuff to do, a ‘reality’, an ‘experience’, etc. That’s all done now, it’s all over. Hopefully you enjoyed it, because this is the actual end of everything. Whatever could be said to be left of you dissolves into the void of nothingness and that’s it, show’s over. Nothing happens “next”, no one ‘comes back’ with ‘benefits’ to ‘live a life’. All horseshit. ?

@Kalki Avatar how are you functioning at all? Awake or not? How is your body breathing and digesting and your heart beats when you are asleep and lost in nothingness or some crazy ass dream? It's pure magic. You never did anything in the first place. It's all functional perfectly fine without any you doing anything. Just get out of gods way ffs.

Nothing=something something=nothing Do you understand? I don't. Some moments, in meditation, I got it. Yes , obviously, I'm a shape, all that I am is shaping the nothing, a shape is the same to another shape, suffering is the same than joy, shape is the same than nothingness. But in the moment that you analyze it, you loose, there is not logical in that

@James123 And brother not to be one of those but what you are talking about is a mere belief for me cause i have not yet experienced that which you are talking about, I have tho experienced no self and god conciousness and infinite imagination. From my own meditation experiences and sober realizations and psychedelics and other stuff, I know the nothingness which is true nature. But it is all inclusive to other kind of "states" as well. Thats also why you and Leo are different. But you are claiming to be enlightened yet trying to disprove people using ur thoughts and mind so you are more of the Mind then you think you are. If you were totally nothing as you are saying u would not be here, and If you erase yourself and the show continues there is something in ur realization which is not the ultimate Truth. It is part of the whole Truth but there are facets of awakenings. Still we are using words and we cant escape it. This might be a belief on my part but in my own experience i can tell you that you are using your mind for experiencing this world. You cant escape the five senses either. If you could we wouldnt know the form of you even "existed" I can tell you that what you have is an experience thanks to conciousness itself. Nothingness=mind=creation. Somethingness=nothingness. No mind=mind No conciousness = conciousness. You see? Conciousness is capable of everythingness and nothingness. Thats in my own experience. For you all is nothing but it is still a thing which you have used your conciousness to reduce this down to nothing. Can you see how sneaky this is? You cant escape it. And we are using words here which is not the thing itself but im totally getting what you are saying brother i just think that you are misinterpeting what iam saying to. Much love to you brother and like I said it is good to have you on the forum and ive learned alot from you.

@electroBeam Agree with you.. Everybody got a different Truth but reality is infinite imagination. That is what GOD is. It is totally nothingness YET it is all forms as well. Reality is nothing but the mind of GOD. It is a mental universe.

Of course I/we do, otherwise I/we wouldn't have projected them in the first place. I/we do, because I'm infinity. I want to know everything. Isn't that obvious? Creation is infinite. Its coming from ME, my WILL. I'm not a caterpillar expert in this life, but its obvious I will be at some point. I will be everything possible, I already am that, but on a relative level, I will be it in the future. On a relative level. Only on a relative level. On an absolute level, they do know knowledge, and that knowledge comes from ME. And I pretend to project it, because I'm pretending to be an enlightened human. knowledge is coming from others on a dualistic level. I project knowledge on a non dual/enlightened human level. others have knowledge, and that knowledge comes from me, on a God level. Because I an neither the character I'm pretending to be, nor the teacher with the knowledge, but rather the 3rd person observer of both. only on an enlightened human level. The enlightened human cannot do any of these things, because the enlightened human embodies Nothingness. Yet these things are possible and true on an unenlightened human level. And both are true on a god level, from the 3rd person observer, so 3rd person, that calling it 3rd person is too grounded and distorts the meaning of what is trying to be conveyed. The unenlightened human's experience is just as true as the enlightened person's experience, yet both disagree entirely. As God you can create this play to suit both perspectives. You can make a play about the 3D world and science being true, or you can make it about a being who is aware that the 3D world is within the present moment, or not even that, just within him/herself. As god, both perspectives are true. All perspectives are true. Everyone has a different truth.

Nope, that's not me, I want to know more and more forever. Leo talks about how each person's brain chemistry is wired differently and some people can realize certain facets, while others can't. As if we all have different truths. Like how ralston can't understand love while rumi can. For tony parson, nothingness might actually be the ultimate truth, while for ramaji, infinite love might be the ultimate truth. In other words we all have different truths. This argument makes a lot of sense when you see debates like these. For some people I totally resonate with what they are saying, for others I feel I'm on a completely different wavelength. I think its because each person really does have a different truth. Such a perspective is helpful because it reduces debating when you sort of realize that there's no point debating them when their truth is literally different to yours. The whole point of a debate comes from the assumption that everyone shares the same truth, if that goes out the window, then debating becomes useless. I think there's a clear brain chemistry difference between the tony parson types and leo's types. IMO the tony parson types are just suck at LOC 600, while Leo's endless wonderland is just going beyond LOC 1000 (that's literally my experience). Yet maybe I'm wrong, maybe for the tony parson types, LOC 600 actually is LOC 1000, and they just aren't curious enough or are incapable of going beyond LOC 1000 because in their experience its impossible. The tony parson types might be able to experience a very deep level of emptiness that Leo isn't capable of, and that might be literally their truth, while for leo it isn't. And it also explains why people want different stuff. Some people actually want to seek forever (like me) while others want to stop seeking. And even this entire perspective, takes a certain brain chemistry to accept LOL. Some will say this is all just thoughts and the brain is imaginary, so this is all nonsense. It takes a certain brain chemistry to be ok with the paradox that while the brain is imaginary and just thoughts, it affects truth or consciousness. This is just something that's really clicked with me recently, people really are sincere about their different truths, its not because one is meditating or doing the work more then the other, I think we are all living in a different reality.

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally i am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Nothing. As a concession...knowing nothing, not knowing, knowing there is nothing to know, knowing nothing is known. A remnant of a questionable memory of sorts, that there was a you and something that happened, which dissipates into nothingness like a forgotten dream. Nothing. Direct experience, of no experience, such as a self, reality, knowledge, etc, is as close as a pointer gets, arguably, apparently.

@nistake Yeah, the Awareness of the Oneness via the realization of Nothingness.... minds often struggle as they try to bring it down to make sense to its own worldview. He did a g'job.

That's all fine and dandy, whats interesting personally to me though is why you place more importance on groundlessness then on groundedness. I don't disagree with you, that's all obviously happening. Its typical no self realization or mu as the zens call it, yet what's interesting to me is why you stop there and you don't go and discover insights in the constructs and creations itself. From my POV, I don't see that groundlessness as being superior to the constructs. I don't see nothingness or radical emptiness as being superior to everythingness or constructs. Both the constructs and emptiness are one thing. They aren't a duality. The map isn't the territory, but the map is also the territory at the same time. Emptiness is just 1 flavor. Yeah everything is ultimately groundless. Infact there's no point talking about it because you can't talk about it. Its just obviously severely empty. But this is just 1 side of the coin, there's also everythingness or groundedness that you're just completely palming off because you're too fixated on groundlessness. Like 0 = infinity. 0 is not superior to infinity. There's shit loads of insights in infinity, what you seem to be doing is saying 0 is all there is, infinity is delusion, and if you disagree with me then you're in Leo's wonderland.

Awareness knows. In awareness. It is pure nothing and this nothing is a dream. Thats what Awareness does, it dreams. But "you" are beyond it. The Absolute nothingness which is infinite potential. We are that. And I would say that Leo's teaching may bring people to " wonderland" But conciousness has the capacity for infinite imagination and creation. Yet you are beyond creation.

Thats why meditation and silence mind is the key brother. After Infinite nothingness will be just a singularity, which is before the big bang. Just nothing , pure and empty? but is you, love it?

What do you mean? That I read or listen of Leo is more or less that enlightenment is to realize that you are god, and God is nothingness, and same time everything, so the same that you are saying, or the same that all spiritual masters use to say

Psychedelic trip = you can still think, name and label what are you experiencing. Additionally, you experience that you are infinite, have infinite mind, are infinite love and have infinite intelligence vs. Than these infinity collapses into a singularity, which is just nothingness than you realize because you are nothing you haven’t experience a thing whatsoever, because no one was there. So psychedelic trip is very confusing at the same time. It is impossible to comprehend no one was there within the process of thoughts. Real sober awakening = you just forget everything and be that singularity nothingness with forgetting everything that you have learned. Direct and clean realization. You just become directly nothing. What was before big bang thats what is it, and you realize everything that so called real for you, it was just a process of thoughts. If you dont think nothing never happens. Because you are already it. Additionally, when there is no monkey mind there is no self, therefore you can never understand during the psychedelic trip why no one was there to experience anything (meanwhile you experience infinity mind, love vs). But real awakening you get it why because when there is no thoughts, you are that nothingness and that no one (singular nothingness). But during the psychedelic trip, there is many thoughts. Otherwise, you will be stuck in leo s wonderland. Imo, big bang analogy is the best way to describe it. Everything is created by nothing (singularity), therefore everything is nothing. Anything you know is exist, because of the process of thoughts, because you think. Anything you know, you created by learning, naming and labeling the thoughts. If there is no thoughts, there is no big bang, space, infinite mind or love. It is just you, which is nothing. No time, space, infinity or universe. Before the christ and abraham. Just you. Singularity before the big bang, which is nothingness. Ramana Maharshi “You are close the who you are when you are in deep sleep”. If you dont think it is identical before birth, after death, deepest sleep and now. When there is no thoughts, there is no questions left. Because you are already yourself. There is no such a thing as mahasmadhi, death, birth, universe, or life. If you forget everything that you have learned you are already yourself. As Peter Raltson says “Awakening is genuinely not knowing”. Additionally, you are god, but no one says that i am god because god is nothing, and if you realize that you are god because you are nothing. You should already realize that every word is identical because they are all nothing. Therefore saying i am god and agajsbskoamak are identical sentences. If you purposely say that you are god and infinite thats a very grounded ego. Because that infinity and godness will crash into singular nothingness, till you will become empty and pure. Non of prophets or awaken person claims that they are god, because they are nothing. Even prophet Muhammed says that “ I can not tell you what is core of the spirit, only Allah knows it”. Because when he become Allah, which is nothingness, there is no Muhammed. Additionally, when you realize that you are nothing, therefore everything, unconditional love appears inevitably. It is not something that you force to have it. Because it doesn’t come from ego, it comes from completely surrendering and letting go. Because you are nothing, Therefore everything and everyone is you. Stop trying to have or become infinite love or mind. Ego wants be something better than itself, however awakening is willingly surrendering the self ( not to try to be better something as self) and completely letting go. LEO STOP BRAINWASHING PEOPLE. Or maybe you aint awake. If it is the case i am DEEPLY sorry. These sentences are just the truth. There is no personal opinion. Peace!

Because psychedelic trip, you can still think, name and label what are you experiencing. Additionally, you experience that you are infinite, have infinite mind, are infinite love and have infinite intelligence vs. Than these infinity collapses into a singularity, which is just nothingness than you realize because you are nothing you haven’t experience a thing whatsoever, because no one was there. So psychedelic trip is very confusing at the same time. But in real sober awakening, you just forget everything and be that singularity nothingness with forgetting everything that you have learned. Direct and clean realization. You just become directly nothing. What was before big bang thats what is it, and you realize everything that so called real for you, it was just a process of thoughts. If you dont think nothing never happens. Because you are already it. Additionally, when there is no monkey mind there is no self, therefore you can never understand psychedelic trip why no one was there to experience anything (meanwhile you experience infinity mind, love vs). But real awakening you get it why because when there is no thoughts, you are that nothingness and that no one. But during the psychedelic trip, there is many thoughts. Otherwise, you will be stuck in leo s wonderland.

Axiom: Your current experience is the one and only true happening. You don't know anything outside of it and never will be able to. Read about solipsism. Question: Everything you observer is your biased view and experience. How are you so sure that you are not imagining what anyone else says is also imagined by you. You are the ground state of being, identifying as I, those 'others' outside of you could be be seen as facets of the self to create the feeling of an unknowable and unending stream of interactions to separate the self and give rise to identity. You could also say that the quest to understand requires one to hide oneself, because ultimately there is nothing to be understood. Does this mean we should all be crazy and talk to other selves our whole life? No, because you are in control of what you want to think, imagine or believe in. If I was the creator, so lonely at the ultimate level, the moment I become aware that I'm separate from fullness (as in I'm the only one) then this separate void of nothing would become my best friend. This nothingness which is so empty, so miraculously present which I'm not would in turn invoke a greater body and mind of what is. That was is and that what has not been become one, it's the ethernal dance of god by being whole but half nothing as he knows that whatever is unwritten is his longing and friend he seeks. God's mind is expressing this journey of love to explore through perpetual force the coming together of what is and what has not been through the present moment. You, your brother and everyone else are the pure expression of love. To know who your really are is by being still, letting go of thought and listen. If you achieve to allow oneself to accept unconditional love and being you will be at home no matter where you are.

If you dont think, there is no body or mind. It is alive for you, because you believe in it brother as a self. Decrease your monkey mind till even there will be no one left to say “alive”. There is no such a thing as from brother. You have never began. Forget everything what you know and learn thats what non duality, before birth, death, now and awakening is. Decrease your monkey mind till even there will be no one to say and know what is “formless and form”. This is not a language or there is a you and speaking something. You just named and labeled it. Awakening is must to get this. Absolute nothingness is every so called movement, word and thoughts. I am saying so called because there is no word and thoughts. If you dont think nothing never happens. Genuinely not knowing is absolute nothingness and pure non duality. Great talking to you guys. Peace!

Exactly right. The relative exists for the relative which is exactly why it's relative The concept of death does not exist without birth. It is a duality. I think you guys are just talking about two sides of the same coin. he is expressing non duality while you are stating that duality exists - which it does - for its own sake. It's a debate that has gone on here for years where some have said duality is an illusion. But notice - it IS an illusion hehe. You cannot get under existence. I don't think @James123 is disputing this here but speaking of pure non-duality. But I could be wrong....actually to despute it would just be a finite perspective. Absolute Infinity or Absolute Nothingness or Absolute Love cannot be spoken.

Taken from the forum. I chewed and swallowed 1 gram of Magic Mushroom at 4:30 am. Then I sat on a Chair and started Meditation in my room. It was not deep meditation. I was just switching between meditation and open eyes so I can notice if there are any changes in my experience. After almost 20 minutes suddenly I started to Hear a Clear Sound of Silence (Beep with 528 Hz Frequency) like when we go higher on Mountains or airplanes. And the sounds of my surroundings became secondary. I became more present and started to feel distortion in my body particularly in the face. I was feeling confused and was not sure if these experiences are my misunderstandings or I am actually feeling all this in reality as a psychedelic experience. Now as my feeling was getting intense I started to get a feeling of fear as well. At 05:00 am I thought that what if I fell from the Chair I should go to my bed. So I turned on Meditation Music on speakers and went to bed and sat down there. Colors became more vibrant. I started to see blood veins in my hand. After a few minutes, I thought that this music was distracting me so I asked my Trip Sitter to turn off the music. And I felt that I should lie down at 05:15 am so I lay down. I was feeling that I am drowning in nothingness or void but I felt really scared so I was trying to resist this also and trying to remain in reality with my body. The reason for Fear was that it was my 1st Psychedelic/Spiritual Experience. There was dim yellow light in the room and I started to feel really congested. Negatively, like I am having difficulty breathing, I got an inner call that said go outside into nature so you can feel better and have different experiences with nature. By 05:45 am I asked my Trip sitter to help me to go to the terrace. I was able to concentrate and Focus on things and at the same time, I was confused also. When I came outside everything was very Fresh, Color Full, Vibrant, Bird's sound was really amazing, Echoes at the same time I was feeling like I am in High Fever, I was feeling High Temperature. I could See Clouds really clearly with different layers of clouds, I was able to see and focus in sharp, small details like Hand pores, etc.., Was feeling a little bit of distortion in objects, I was getting an inner call that let’s leave the steering of this body-mind and let me drive but I was scared to leave the control. At the same time, I was in the Happy, Giggling, and Laughing Mode. I was getting laughs and jokes on every worldly thing. I was laughing at everything like I am watching a real comedy movie. The whole universe was looking like a comedy and a dream as well. My language was also like a funny thing to me. The funniest thing was “Time”. I do not want to think or talk about time because it was the funniest thing in this universe. Because at that time here and now was the only thing that matters and I was sure that the Future and the past did not exist. I was getting inner calls that now don’t focus on this body and world because this world is a Funny Dream. Focusing on the world will cause you only laughter and nothing else. Leave this World, body, and mind and become 1 with nature or consciousness. But I had a feeling of fear and was trying to hold this Dreamworld. I was feeling Morphing in my body. Around 06:10 am my feeling of fear dissolved and I got an inner call that now I should get serious if I want to learn something new I was ready to go with the flow and was serious to learn, understand. Around 06:16 am I was feeling intense Joy, Calmness, Amazing, Freedom. I was feeling very trapped in the body like I am trapped in a very small thing and there is no oxygen and I wanted to come out of this world and body. I felt like birds were talking to me. I had a lot of compassion toward every being. There was a whole Universe or infinite Well or infinity in each cell, or atom, grain of sand, in everything. Focus on each object was sucking me into the infinity of that spec. There was infinity in each pore of my skin. Now I was looking at my body and all other things in a 3rd Person. Like VR Game Experience. My whole body was melting away. It felt like I have left everything but I am stuck at the back of my head. I was in total presence, I didn't want to hold on to thoughts and memories, and everything in each moment was perfect. There was Blind and infinite well in each thing, object or thoughts. In which well I was focusing on I was getting sucked into that thought or thing. I was not able to identify which sound is coming from where. I was getting aware of everything but was losing my sense of My Words and body. Everything was dissolving into nothingness. Everything was flowing like Air or River. Nothing was staying. Each moment was unique. I don’t want to talk about the previous moment. I was feeling distortion in Heartbeats also. Whenever I was laughing I felt like my mouth would morph into an infinite wide open. This body was feeling like a prison. Then my 2-year-old daughter woke up and came to me. I was amazed to see her. It was like I was looking at her for the first time. And she was looking cutest. There was a whole universe inside her eyes. I wanted to drown in the infinity of her eyes. For some time I enjoyed her cuteness and company and Now I want solitude so I can understand things more deeply. Sometimes my hands were looking like baby hands and sometimes it was looking like monster hands. Then I decided to go inside to enjoy a few things from the computer and for Meditation. I asked my Trip sitter to help me to go inside. And When I stood up I felt so amazed. It was like I am wearing VR Glasses and watching my body arms in the third person. My body was looking very small. But I was able to control my body and walk. When I came inside it was like I was looking at my home from inside the 1st time. The entry door of my room looked very small. I sat on my computer chair and started watching a few nature Pictures and I was getting sucked into those pictures. Then I Started to Watch the Documentary “Moving Art” on Netflix (Nature Documentary) and after just 5 minutes. I started to cry through my heart and there were tears in my eyes and while crying my feelings and thought was that I or He (God) is alone and has no one for the company to enjoy and these World objects, World Nature, etc..are the only Imaginations I have for my company. I or He (God) has nothing other than this dream and I had intense compassion and self-pity at that time. At that time I felt that Surah Ikhlas (Verses of Quran) is not just a surah it is a His Sad Story as well... Everything on the computer was looking very clear and sharp. Wisdom & Insights I got during this Trip: He is just exploring himself. He is infinite. Everything is him. He is happy and enjoying everything and wants us to just explore and enjoy. Enjoy the dream. Don’t take anything seriously. Then I thought I was wasting my time on the computer so I shut down the computer and came back to my bed and started Meditation. I closed my eyes and there were a few blurred and faded patterns. It was like there were infinite doors and He (God) was asking which door do you want to enter. Then I felt like laying so I get laid on the bed. Now I feel that my psychedelic experience is going to end so I thought now I should spend some time with my family. I came to my family room enjoyed the cuteness of my daughter for a bit more time than I thought I should watch myself in the Mirror so I got up and went in front of the mirror and I got really disappointed I was looking really bad and unhealthy and felt self-pity and asked myself that what have you done with this body which was a temporary gift to you. At 08:00 am I was back home from my trip.