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I already know you reincarnate through similar genetic bloodlines, and can have two incarnations of yourself - more specifically, your soul - going on at the same time - Twin Flames. What else is there to know?

Hi All, I have been questioning something specific in the case of reincarnation for some time now, albeit perhaps to think this far ahead is imagination already and therefore not true. If I suppose what is true is this bubble of consciousness, which is in debate in itself I suppose, and in turn this bubble being god can dream whatever it likes in an unlimited fashion (Kind of referring in reference to @Leo Gura's latest video on consciousness and my understanding of it). I get a sense that content of some form constantly plays out, perhaps not as a person, or even with the same senses that currently exist in this experience, but a happening happens infinitely. It then seems reasonable that I will experience other peoples lives at some point, would you tend to agree with this? I've heard @Leo Gura reference this before in some of his videos (And saying that we would experience his life at some point), but that was a few years back I believe, so his perspective may have changed. Interested to hear some alternate perspectives on perhaps what I'm not considering (Or if you agree) for me to continue questioning this topic within myself.

Science and Reincarnation...

That's correct. But you don't have access to the cheat codes . Otherwise go ahead and materialise for me a chicken biryani dish because I'm starving right now in college 😂. You see..you have denied yourself the access to the rules of reality deliberately to make life more fun and exciting or adventures. My comment was meant to shed light on this naive view of yours about reincarnation and mahasmadhi. As if you are literally a video game character in a video game world with a lifetime span and second trials .it's not like that bro .

You may not believe in reincarnation, but this current incarnation you are experiencing is a fact, period. No one comes here as carte blanche. In addition to the vehicle that is your body, which was built based on specific information, you also receive at the entrance an extremely subtle software of the ego-mind, which gradually activates and updates itself as you develop as a human being. This software contains a whole lot of engrams of memory traces stretching back to 4 generations. Traumas, dysfunctional behavior patterns, various tendencies, also positive ones. This is shown by the latest epigenetic research. Ergo, if you believe that you are here for the first time (or not), then know that the sum of the conditions into which you are put, visually resembles a very sophisticated cage - maze structure. No relativization of this fact will change anything here. Dream or not dream - it happens, period. Even if you manage to climb the walls of this maze for a moment or jump high enough to see it from a wider perspective - in the end you have to come back here and find the way out yourself. Once you discover this scary beauty of this multidimensional puzzle, this task of getting out of here may seem impossible. Remember that "it always seems impossible unitl it's done" - Nelson Mandela.

Eternal Reincarnation

Some mystics say that enlightenment is the end of the wheel of reincarnation, that any being that exists is a process from the most basic to enlightenment and fusion with the whole, for example David Hawking says this. According to him, total enlightenment means complete opening to the absolute and from there there is no other way, but at the same time he says that Buddha or Jesus Christ were at level 1000 and the archangels at level 7000. I don't know, it's all speculation, I doubt that any human fully understands what the cosmos is and what the next evolutionary step is. The possible dimensions are literally unimaginable, the possibilities of existence are infinite. Not all forms necessarily have to entail suffering and ignorance. What I do intuitively believe is evident is that the more you go deeper and open up in this life, the better.

All religions are in some way true and mainly , or for the mass, absolutely false, since their objective is not the opening of the individual to the absolute, but rather his adaptation to the social machinery. They all basically function around a punishment/reward axis, and their objective is the castration of individuals to make social commitment viable. Buddhism also works like this through the idea of reincarnation. But at the bottom of all religions there is a kernel of truth: dilute your ego and you will find the absolute. Well, not all, the Nordic or Greek mythologies do not seem very useful in this aspect, but surely there would also be mystics then. In Romans Jupiter could be understood as the absolute for example. Manitou the same, and I guess that in all of them there is a core of truth

@UnbornTao Are you saying to get the nature of life before understanding consciousness? What is your response referring to? If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

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I think you need to do more work to establish that reincarnation is true, because from the premises you laid out , reincarnation doesn't seem to follow. Reincarnation usually presuppose more than just what you implied. It usually presupposes that you are a soul (which in my understanding refers to an immortal ego and not to consciousness in a broad metaphysical sense). But Im not read up on reincarnation, and I can grant that the term probably can be cashed out in many different ways. But regardless, my general point is that from eternity reincarnation doesnt necessarily follow. All you establish with eternity and with math is that there is a possibility space and whatever is in that possibility space - that will be eventually actualized. But notice that if reincarnation is not inside that possibility space, then even if you give it infinite time, it will never be actualized. So you basically need to give a supporting argument where you establish that reincarnation is in the possibility space. Once you do that, your conclusion seem to follow (if we accept the other premises).

I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

When I say that the ultimate goal of the Self is Liberation from limited existence some of you guys say: "no, you can not liberate yourself from existing, reality is unavoidable. God has no other thing but to dream. Cycles are inevitable." And then when I tell them: "well, Ok, from your view cycles are inevitable, then I guess you are OK with another cycle, right? Ready for another incarnation once this body is no longer usable, right?" Then They say: "reincarnation is a belief. Where is the proof?" So let see if I get this thing straight: You don´t want to reincarnate but you don´t want to liberate yourself from more existence either...what's the plan then? IMO, It would be more honest to say "I am not ready for the unlimited yet". Instead of straight up denying it. You don´t have to ruin the plans for the people that might be ready to pass to the other side...

Most people dont know that we carry unresolved issues from our ancestors. Maybe this info is stored in our DNA, or maybe is in the called "soul". From the spiritual community is a consensus that we have karma now from previous lives. But what happends with inherited psychologycal traumas, like daddy issues, addictions, compulsive behaviours, fixations, fetishes? Thinking logically these issues from ancestors will be cut off if: 1.we fix them. 2. we don't pass them tou our babies? Also it's been said in the spiritual circles, that we come here in groups of souls. What could happen if we cut the familiar tree and dont have kids? Will we reincarnate for example in a tribe in South Africa which we have zero in common?

Another example of looking at reincarnation on a different perspective: Imagine you are born from a pedophile priest that raped children because the genetics of you her parents also raped because it was an habit of trying to get love from feeling unwanted by your mother (or who knows why). To get born as that, reality has to be able to maintain that type of memory of that trauma, there has to be a predisposition to maintain and preserve that kind of patterns. That would be a type of reincarnation. Instead of thinking it as bodies reincarnation, think it as reencarnations of certain patterns. As reality, you did not dissolve or distanced yourself enough from the trauma of raping, so inevitably you pass it through your children, and inevitably you maintain that through another cycle. In other point of Infinity, there is a certain fragment of Reality that is very similar to the parent of the rapist, and is ready to take the form of the new born child. The Reality that gets incarnated into the child of the rapist priest, is a Reality that has not dissolved his karma in his previous life so is inevitably 'attracted' to that kind of new experience/ego. (which of course is not new, is the same cycle but with different body) @Breakingthewall Is all a Recycling circus of memory.

@Javfly33 if the reincarnation finish and the reality is no form, there is no time, then if in any moment the form starts again, it's immediately after than the last incarnation, because between both there is not time. Then, right now it's the no time, and inside is the appearance of an experience that happens in time, always, because there are not Limits to prevent it

I don't think anyone can really answer your question about reincarnation. Tbh, when I think about it, do we know if Anand Mayi Maa reincarnated despite being devoted to God her whole life? No. Do we know if Sadhguru's wife who willingly left her body, reincarnated or not? No. Do we know if Osho, who remembered all his past lives and spent all his life teaching spiritual stuff and getting into scams later, was incarnated or not? No. But, from my limited understanding, I can tell that, you will keep reincarnating until you have no desire left, worldly or other-worldly, even a desire for liberation is a desire.

Forever without experience is an instant out of the time. It's impossible to imagine, because it's enlightenment. But in this instant out of the time infinite experiences appears, apparently. Then , what is reincarnation? Really I don't understand it, but all the mystics talk about it.

Then the reality will stop creating forms for ever? How? If there are now they will be always, they have to be infinite. But the thing that I don't understand about reincarnation is not that, is how you, the you that appear due the experience, is going to reincarnate. This you will dissapear when the experience finish. The reality is "behind" all the experiences, that's what you are, the experience is circumstance, then how this experience is going to reincarnate in another experience?

@Breakingthewall Let me put it another way, maybe like this you can understand what I mean: Lets say Tomorrow I have a baby, that baby has certain qualities of me and of his mom, of the past genetic memory of my family and her mom's family, etc, and also of the quality of the city we live (atmosphere influence, etc). For Reality to allow this, for Reality to be able to hold this qualities, there has to exist the volition and willingness to Reality to do it, Reality must have the 'door' open to be that and not just itself. It must remain attached to a certain way of being. Whatever the state of Reality was before that baby being born, it was conducive and 'ready' to take the form of a baby. When reincarnation is finished, that means Reality has stopped the identification to the configuration no possibility of creating anything else there is possible. Instead of understanding reality as 'beings' (like 'past lives') think it like this: Infinite fragmentation, where each fragment has a unique dualistic configuration, necessary for all pieces to be unique and at the same time the opposite of all minus itself, which perfectly will define what relatively that reality will manifest as. When the fragment realises itself, then the configuration loses its grip on it, because the identification was what prevented the Realization. And, of course, Since the configuration itself is what made the fragment a fragment, instead of all fragments, which is what it really Is.

I think that simply your experience stops and that's it. The reality is not your experience, your experience is a relative appearance, then when it stops there is nothing to reincarnate, because all the others infinite experiences are that reincarnation.

The real you or the absolute. For me is very clear: Lets say tomorrow (I Hope not lol) i fall off a cliff and my body is completely ruined, It can not function anymore. Meanwhile in your case nothing happens to you. There is a reality or substance as you call It, which is experience your body and mind, is having your relative experience. In my case the relative experience can not continue, so either It does not continue or It finds another relative experience (another body). As you see the options are very clear, relative experience continues or It doesn't. Yet some of you guys want to deny both, that It can not stop also that It can not reincarnate. Basically you guys logic Only holds if death wouldnt exist. But relative death very much exist, so obviously you guys Will have to eventually face this question. See just because you Keep having an experience, does not mean lot of people die everyday. The reality that is giving Life to those bodies, when the body is gone, that reality continues, so the question of Liberation or reincarnation naturally appears.

Thinking about that, reality the objective of meditation is put yourself totally in the now, open yourself to this moment, because this moment is the existence. It's not solipsism that is: only this moment is. Remove only, it's enough this moment is. This "is" is the point, not the "only". The "only" point to god, the "is" point to you, and you are the reality, not god. God is an idea, you a reality. this moment, is closed by your mental activity, the projection, that invents an imaginary reality that veils the real. The real is just the now. Anything else is projection. Usually we project and invent another world because we have the feeling that we should be someone, and we are creating that image of someone all time. Someone who goes to anywhere, to reincarnation, or enlightenment. If that someone dissapear, enlightenment remains. Nothing more is needed, because you are

All mystics talk about reincarnation but I don't understand it. Who incarnates? All the incarnations are apparent movement in the existence, then all are the same substance, what you ultimately are, then the question: what happens next? Is a question that happens in this incarnation, but from an absolute perspective all the infinite incarnations are happening now and really they are not happening, are an appearance.

I mean im open minded to it but still there isnt a single evidence to this in our direct experience. Sure some people report memories of past lifes but again consciousness is so infinite it makes you believe whatever you are thinking or any image that is appering infront of your „eyes“. some say the idea of reincarnation is just here to make you realize that there was never anything reincarnating or to reincarnate. But still alot of folks are really convinced about this reincarnation why is that?