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I remember I was on a cruise ship, some years ago. We were in the middle of the sea, the moon was shining trough small cabin window, leaving it's light on me and my ex girlfriend's body. We were having sex on a table next to the window. It was very romantic experience. When we were hugging in bed after having made love, she told me that she felt like she had lost herself in me and she felt like her entire identity disappeared. She felt like she was one with me. I responded to her saying that it wasn't a feeling but it was the actual truth, because everything is one self (by that time I had dozens of mystical experiences and I have solid ground of understanding non-duality). Unfortunately, she laughed saying that it's a good joke...being completely unaware of the truth... Years after and until this day I realized that my deepest awakenings slowly pushed my desires for intimacy to another level. Now what I crave is deep spiritual connection and understanding with women, but, unfortunately based of my personal experience the percentage of awakened women are very very shallow (and I am not talking about crazy levels of awakening). It seems like every time when I start a deep spiritual conversation with women they are completely lost and show no interest in this topic. A few weeks ago I asked a girl I had been talking to for a few month about what she though about the universe and where everything came from she gave me rather a disappointing answer. She just said "Science" and quickly change the topic to food. Women seems to be obsessed with food topics as much as men with sex. Some other women I spoke to about spirituality either bring ideology or some new-age nonsense like higher beings and energies. It's very clear to me that romantic relationship with women are not satisfying to me if they do not have spirituality in it. They feel empty and rather disappointing to me. Most of the women I meet are incapable of intimate depth that I seek because they are so lost in survival. Please understand that I am not saying that men are so awake (most of them are also very lost) but it's very obvious to me that most of women compared to most of men are at least one step behind from spirituality. That's what my direct experience says. So, with this being said, there are 2 options: 1. Don't seek this depth with women 2. Don't date women at all At the end of the day, why would I want serious relationship with someone who's incapable of sharing the same paradigm? I was able to do it 10 years ago when I was completely asleep. Now, after everything I have experienced there is no way back.

How do you embody your spiritual insights? How do you live life as a Sage? What is your perceptive experience as a Awakened God-Realized Individual? Try to be clear and specific with your language. How do you see? What do you feel? What are your mental models? How do you relate? Where is your POV? Above your head? Inside your head?

“When discussing the noble eightfold path, the Buddha focused most often on the fact that following it leads to the end of suffering. This point is so important in his teachings that he twice stated, “Both formerly & now, it’s only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress” (SN 22:86; MN 22). Any question that interfered with this aim, he would put aside.” DeGraff, On the Path: An Anthology on the Noble Eightfold Path drawn from the Pāli Canon, OnThePath210213.pdf, 21. An awkward paraphrasis would be, _Both formerly & now, it’s only not goodness that I describe, and the cessation of not goodness (= resumption/bringing about of goodness; ultimately nirvana/God)._ See https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/113610-trump-is-god/?do=findComment&comment=1749981. _God (n., sense 2)_ - “The Being” (Blanton 1996, 1) - “Soul”, “Soul is the real Self,—Infinite, All-Knowing, All-Powerful, Everywhere Present. Mind is a tool of Soul, used as an instrument to create and reflect the physical universe. Body is the creation of mind.” (Lester 1962, 67) - “The Self”, “The Self (God)” (Lester 1962, 13) ~~- “Love”, “Love is your Self.” (Levenson 1993, 49)~~ “love”, “When I refer to love, I’m merely pointing to the unidentified, awakened mind. …” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 78–79) - “_“Our real nature, the infinite real self that we are, is simply us minus the mind.”_” (Levenson 1993, 51) - “awareness all alone” (Spira 2022, 49) ~~- “Beingness”~~ - “ultimately what is real” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, 42) - “awareness or consciousness”, “final state”, “changeless state”, “ultimate Truth” (Levenson 1993, 81) - “the pure unknown: love” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, chap. 24, 215) - “love”, “the quietest of all things”, “Love itself is not an emotion. It's a very, it's the quietest of all things.” (‭“Lester Levenson, … Sedona Method (2024)”) - “nothing”, “a completely silent mind” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, 246), (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 235) “Awareness knows nothing, and therefore it’s hidden to itself.” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, 235) “All you can do is be it.” (Katie and Katz 2005, 246) “You say, “I want to know myself.” You _are_ the “I.” You _are_ the Knowing. You _are_ the consciousness through which everything is known. And that cannot _know_ itself; it _is_ itself.” (Tolle 2003, 55–56) - “[t]he consciousness of the Isness”, “death”, “The consciousness of the Isness, the same as death, comes through.” (Weber 1996, 148) ~~- “perfection”, “Perfection is another name for reality.” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 45)~~ - “[t]he all-quiet state”, “ecstasy”, “euphoria”, “bliss”, “nirvana”, “The all-quiet state is such a tremendous state, that it can never be put into words. The words ecstasy, euphoria, bliss, nirvana don’t describe it really — they only allude to it.” (Levenson 1993, 279) - “the unbent”, “the effluent-free”, “the true”, “the beyond”, “the subtle”, “the very-hard-to-see”, “the ageless”, “the permanence”, “the undecaying”, “the surfaceless”, “non-objectification”, “peace”, “the deathless”, “the exquisite”, “bliss”, “rest”, “the ending of craving”, “the amazing”, “the astounding”, “the secure”, “security”, “unbinding”, “the unafflicted”, “dispassion”, “purity”, “release”, “the attachment-free”, “the island”, “shelter”, “the harbor”, “refuge”, “ the ultimate”. (…, 1 October 2025, https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN43.html, https://archive.ph/Rw3Yy, https://suttacentral.net/sn43.14-43/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin) “There are 32 synonyms for Nibbana in the _Asaṃkhata-saṃyutta_ of the _Saṃyutta-nikāya_. They are mostly metaphorical.” (Rahula 1978, 36) - “the screen” (Spira 2022, 43) - “Space”, “silence”, “Space and silence are two aspects of the same thing, the same nothing. They are an externalization of inner space and inner silence, which is stillness: the infinitely creative womb of all existence.” (Tolle 1999, 115; 112–115) - “darkness”, “The dark, the nameless, the unthinkable” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 1) - ________ PDFsam_merge_16_pt_29_November_2025.pdf, 95–96.

Warning: Once you discover that Love is absolute, you might resent your life even more for not getting human love. I awakened to Love (or at least to the fact that it is independent and fundamental) and loved the world and life through it. Yet I'm now a devil for not being Loved back.

It doesn't really matter how many times it's said, does it? I literally fell into and believed this fantasy, and I got myself out of it. I take no prisoners. This is a trap I wrote about years ago - of denigrating awakening to an experience. Let me ask you: were you "awakened" before you went down this drug path? Or did you turn to them because you thought they would awaken you? Extremely crucial point, do not overlook it! Nobody said that about enlightenment. But it's clear you're talking about chemically induced states, like with the mickey mouse. Whatever name is given, realizing the truth is not a function of the brain. I've personally derived this insight. Yet for some reason, you remain unwilling to seriously listen to and examine these points.

Gotta be real careful with Owen. He has some genuinely good videos in some topics but his teachings are unsustainable and aren’t relatable if you aren’t trying to climb the social ladder in Miami or Vegas. His teachings are so corrupt it’s genuinely hard to cherry-pick the good stuff at this point. I think if you are trying to play the maxing game it can kinda work and if you live in a place where money is seen as virtue you may see that’s something that’s necessary for you to see success. Idk it’s just such a different world for me at this point with how much I’ve awakened and integrated that I can’t say I’ve transcended all this but also he has almost nothing to teach me. I need teachings on how to love more and keep a marriage alive and family healthy. these game teachers offer nothing to me at this point except maybe I can learn from their marketing a bit.

This caught my eye You said you don't care about teachers, only about getting people to the consciousness you know exists. But consider: if a teacher with ten thousand followers actually reaches those states and comes back changed, their students don't need convincing. They don't believe it because you said so. They update because the person they already trust went somewhere real and returned different. That's verified experience propagating through existing trust networks. One awakened teacher might do more for your goal than years of direct outreach. And yes, most teachers don't know how deep this goes. That's exactly the point. Imagine what happens when they find out.

The trick is that the collapse does not imply erasure of form and 'reality' unlike it may seem. Inside the singularity of God-consciousness everything remains as-is — singularity is what you see before you here and now, except the part is now aware that it is the whole. It can access a bunch of crazy partitions within itself and maybe change some content here and there, but fundamentally the infinitely awakened self and the unconscious human self are both sub-infinities within the Absolute Infinity, the structure of which not even God can alter, as that would go against its own Will, Logic, and Love. The infinities may be of different cardinality or whatever terminology you want to use, but those distinctions are themselves imaginary. That's what Equality is. So the idiots saying "you're already awake" and such are technically correct, yet nonetheless that's highly irresponsible teaching. Someone you've never heard of could be having an absolute awakening as we speak, which doesn't impact your current reality at all, but when you go have your own awakening you'll realize that all awakenings anyone has ever had were your own. The selves of God are like sandboxed processes running in their own sovereign environments, but then as part of a larger holarchy we have the collectively constructed reality which makes it possible to talk to each other, have sex, abuse and infringe on the sovereignty of others, and all that good stuff. Which ultimately is still God playing pretend with itself. Selflessness is being the hypervisor that maintains all this, but it's far from some dry, sterile thing — it's an engine of endless fun & mystery in the VMs.

@Sincerity Who here has seriously taken up both stances? Most of you believe Leo, and the hope of a pill to awakening is all too enticing to neglect or seriously question, despite what is said by people who know what they're talking about (I know you have your excuses not to listen to them, but come on). I've done the drugs, too. But I no longer do the "fantasy" involved here, which I used to believe in. Again, I also confidently believed in it and conjured up stories about my "awakenings." Not anymore. I could've convinced people and talked in such a way so that I'd have come across as awakened. You only need to make that impression on people by coming across a certain way. And gullible people would confuse the assertiveness for the reality - or lack thereof - of it as long as it affirmed their own dispositions and images. And you'd have believed me - you'd have loved it, in fact. You'd have felt warm and cozy and validated in your worldview, part of a community reaching out for "the truth." Whatever is true and the case at any level, it starts by calling things by their name. What exists? What is taking place? What is factual? What is memory? These are questions that point at the pursuit of the truth. What are lying and misrepresentation? What are fantasy and wishful thinking? What is a cult? What is anything? This contrasts with what we think or feel about these matters. I'm pointing out this gap or disparity because it seems people here tend to ignore it. But it's too big of a gap, I've recently come to understand. You've already noticed my reluctance to provide a simplistic view of the world for the mind to piece these things together and so have the feeling of understanding. But yes, I'm not enlightened now. It's a possibility of directly grasping one's nature, and I base it on my past realizations. Right now it could be said that it is a conceptual placeholder. It's not an experience. Why do you think I keep repeating this? Because it's still overlooked and goes over one's head. Direct consciousness isn't a function of the brain. Without the fantasy, no one here is either really, from what I can tell. Maybe Leo might have had a few enlightenments, but I don't know. He likes to think of himself as more awake than what comes across to me. I know this is a weird thing to say and that most will probably not get where I'm coming from or why I'm saying that to begin with, especially given that the only things they have for making that assessment are the words, behavior, and expression of someone (to which their reactions are ones of liking and feeling good, which doesn't help). If you ask, I'll respond with 'magic', 'intuition', or just paying attention. Bringing this up here is a waste of time. Thanks for warning me @kieranperez. I probably should go the same route as you.

@cetus Why not be an awakened ditch digger

To the best of my current understanding, a human mind is not ever going to know why your life is exactly the way it is and not otherwise. Like, why aren't you are chimpanzee right now? I think there is an answer to that question but it is way beyond even Awakened consciousness. That's why I call it a Mystery. Even extremely deep Awakening is not going to give you a full accounting of experience. I still can't explain why I'm not a chimpanzee right now.

Claiming or thinking oneself to be awakened is different from being awakened, or having had awakenings. I suspect lots of people do the former. I'd agree with the assumption that, in this context, virtually no one knows what they're talking about, certainly not at a deep level. It's very easy to conflate some sort of experience with awakening. (Hello).

Awakened people know what they are talking about. At least relative to Awakening. Of course they can be wrong on other matters.

Check out Awakened Masculine podcast by Jasper Brown. It used to be called Conscious Masculine but he changed it because too much of his audience were female lol, but a lot of his episodes still seem to be targeted towards men. I think he even hosts men's retreats in Australia. Honestly, something you might notice when you listen is that his personality, teaching style, language, even the way he films his videos, are all quite similar to what Leo does. I secretly suspect Leo has been his key influencer.

I think there's a great degree of humility with @Leo Gura. He's got money, but still chooses to live in a modest home, from what I heard him say somewhere. He has a modest, simple wardrobe. Also, he seems fairly introverted, like most spiritually awakened people, understandably, because think about it, it is incredibly difficult to find like-minded people, especially who have that degree of awareness, "wokeness" & spiritual understanding. It's difficult to find people to even have a conversation with about these deep topics. It can actually feel pretty lonely, I know this because I often struggle with this too. Many people in the real world aren't even "intellectuals". Or even interested in knowledge as a pursuit. They'd rather cut corners, and have others teach them knowledge, instead of learning for themselves. And most people are taught information which is often biased, or blatantly false, to which no one questions for themselves, they just blindly follow what they are told. Also, I think if he was really "arrogant" like some people claim, he would think he was "too good for us" and not even bother to take his time educating us or engaging with us on the forum. Most people with a certain degree of public knownness of fame do not engage with their fans or audience, so the fact that he does that, he doesn't have to, but he does, is a pretty good sign.

Would you ask the same question to Buddha, or Christ, or Ghandi, or any other enlightened spiritual leader who's purpose was to help awaken us all? Would you ask if they were "aliens"? Of course not. Because that's absurd. They were human beings, just like us, including Leo. They are just more deeply & profoundly awakened and enlightened than the average human.

Your questions were partly answered by my response above. Experience is everything you're aware of. Drugs provide you with an experience, shifting your state of mind. While high, you go through perceptual phenomena, subjective states and such, and you always inevitably come down. What remains is usually a story or memory of what you think happened while on the substance. Having to recall a past experience might already be pointing at the nature of this disparity. I don't know about you but I find that our ability to recollect is nothing short of unreliable and biased. Besides, it's a conceptual activity. If you believe that drugs increase consciousness, you're most likely referring to cognition. Notice how they're taken in the hope of getting enlightened - as a pill that will bring awakening to you - much like drinking coffee in order to experience the effects it has on you. You weren't awakened prior to taking them. This lack of prior contrast as to what is meant by "enlightened" is crucial here. Without it, the stage is set for mischief under those circumstances - which is what I did with my psychedelic experiences, and what many here seem to be up to.

A Summary of Awakening “Each of us is the only one there is. There’s no other!” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, chap. 1, 2) “So I read the Bible from beginning to end and really understood the original meaning, most of which has gone out of the Bible by reinterpretations again and again. And then I looked at the schools of metaphysics, theosophy, went through all of them so I'd have the language of communication. Then I realized after going through all that, simple English will do it.” (‭“Lester Levenson, Hale Dwoskin - Lester Levenson (Sedona Method) Magnum Opus PDF-Lester Levenson _ Sedona Method (2024).pdf”, 103) Lester Levenson, Byron Katie and the Pali Canon are the sources on awakening or enlightenment, the end of stress/suffering, etc. that I find most authoritative. By awakening I mean what Levenson describes in his biography, Lloyd 1983, _Choose Freedom: Have, Be, and Do Whatever You Will or Desire_, chapters 11, 12, 13 and 14. (Lloyd 1983, _Choose Freedom: Have, Be, and Do Whatever You Will or Desire_, https://archive.org/details/choose_freedom Laura Lucille, “About My Teacher”, https://lauralucille.org/blog-eng-featured/my-teacher-lester-levenson-laura-lucille “Also, when you wake up you’ll discover that you never ever were apart from your real Self, which is whole, perfect, complete, unlimited; that all these experiences were images in your mind just like in a night dream you imagine everything that’s going on. But while you’re in a night dream, it’s real to you. If someone is trying to kill you in a night dream, it’s real; you’re struggling for your life. But when you wake up from that dream, what do you say? “It was just a dream; it was my imagination.” This waking state is exactly as real as a night dream. We’re all dreaming we are physical bodies; we’re dreaming the whole thing. However, in order to reach this awakened state, it is first necessary to drop a major, part of your subconscious thinking.” (Levenson 1993, 317) _The Essential Lectures Of Alan Watts. Internet Archive,_ https://archive.org/details/02.theessentiallecturesofalanwattsego/05.+The+Essential+Lectures+of+Alan+Watts-+Cosmic+Drama.mp4. 6 min., 10 sec., Accessed 27 Nov. 2025. “However, in order to reach this awakened state, it is first necessary to” figuratively let go of or “drop a major, part of your subconscious thinking” using CBT, especially Byron Katie's The Work, but also, Brad Blanton _Radical Honesty_, David Burns's _Feeling Great_, David H. Barlow's _Treatments That Work_, Smith's _When I Say No, I Feel Guilty_, etc. “Once you see the truth, the thought lets go of _you_, not the other way around.” (Katie and Mitchell 2021, 152) “It’s the truth that sets you free.” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 40) “Before the thought, you weren’t suffering; with the thought, you’re suffering; when you recognize that the thought isn’t true, again there is no suffering.” (Katie and Mitchell 2021, 9) “When discussing the noble eightfold path, the Buddha focused most often on the fact that following it leads to the end of suffering. This point is so important in his teachings that he twice stated, “Both formerly & now, it’s only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress” (SN 22:86; MN 22). Any question that interfered with this aim, he would put aside.” DeGraff, On the Path: An Anthology on the Noble Eightfold Path drawn from the Pāli Canon, OnThePath210213.pdf, 21. https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/OnThePath/Section0006.html “When your feelings are up and out, your mind is naturally quiet. And you're self-obvious to yourself as to the fact that you are whole, complete, perfect, eternal.” (‭“Lester Levenson, Hale Dwoskin - Lester Levenson (Sedona Method) Magnum Opus PDF-Lester Levenson _ Sedona Method (2024).pdf”, 394) “Self (God) is Infinite, Limitless; One, Indivisible; Perfect; Changeless, Immutable; Timeless, Without Beginning or End; Whole, The All; Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent.” (Lester 1962, 65) “The cosmic joke is, it's all a dream. Everything. All of it.”, https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm3o1tBB39T/. “A SUMMARY THE SELF-GOD-ABSOLUTE TRUTH” (Lester 1962, 65) “Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT)”, https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/talking-therapies-medicine-treatments/talking-therapies-and-counselling/cognitive-behavioural-therapy-cbt/. https://www.mindprod.com/livinglove/livinglove.html “__THE WORLD AS A DREAM__” (Levenson 1993, 4) “Spiritual awakening – A spiritual awakening …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystical_or_religious_experience#Related_terms https://global.oup.com/academic/content/series/t/treatments-that-work-ttw “All this took place beyond time. But when I put it into language, I have to backtrack and fill in.” (Katie and Mitchell 63, 2007) “It is incorrect to think that Nirvāṇa is the natural result of the extinction of craving. Nirvāṇa is not …” (Rahula 1978, 40) SEE ALSO (Carse 2005, _Perfect Brilliant Stillness_, 60)

Yes bypassing fear of death cucks your spiritual growth. Saying jesus of allah saves me is just pushing the thought away. Be afraid, be very afraid. The fear of death is intelligence. You will awaken by being scared. There is a story of sadhguru where he said he found another awakened person and he said he got there because he was sick and the doctors kept telling him he was going to die that day over and over again. So he kept being really scared and having to confront death daily. If you can just do this to yourself without having any other interaction or bad things happening you are highly intelligent. If you can sit there and induce panic with no stimuli you are being intelligent. I was doing it without knowing about anything. I would just be sitting there watching a movie and my entire system would enter panic mode and I would say Im dying omg. When you panic and feel like you are dying God is entering you. Dying is God. When you feel an emotion you are releasing it. Not doing it is keeping the fear inside. They are essentially paying money to bottle up fear. Then they create the idea of hell for the people to bottle up even more fear.

Check Chris Bale instagram account. Awakened Intent Podcast also have some good content.

Suppose you walk into a room with 2 boxes and a genie. 1 box has 1000 dollars no strings attached and the another is a mystery box. You can either choose both the boxes or only the mystery box. The genie is a master predicter. It has predicted the choice of people before you 99.99999 percent accuracy. If it predicts that you will take only the mystery box then the mystery box will have a million dollars. If it predicts you will pick both the boxes, mystery boxes will have 0 dollars. Are you picking the mystery box only or both the boxes? https://chatgpt.com/share/69af0231-cae8-800d-a3fe-751bbd9439e7 My tactic is to just shut up and take the mystery box to get a million dollars. But the question is much deeper than that. Could our intention in the present determine what we would possibly do in the past? What is the awakened view on this problem? If it was necessary to win 1001$, could we do it? I would love to hear you guy's perspective on this

I wanted to share a little bit of my story with you. By now, almost everyone knows who Andrew Tate is. I was one of the early followers, discovering him at the beginning of 2020 when his social media presence was still small. His YouTube channel had only around 20-30K subscribers at the time. Before I even understood the concept of consciousness, I was already interested in psychedelics. My first experience with LSD (a low dose) awakened a deep curiosity. This was before I found Tate and later, Leo. I was working at an insurance agency when a new, success-driven colleague joined. He was from Romania and had seen Tate on the news. He introduced me to him at a time when I was heavily experimenting with various substances. I was fascinated by how different drugs altered perception, but I had also become addicted to getting high. When I discovered Tate, it coincided with a point in my life where I needed change. I always considered myself open-minded, but in hindsight, I was also very naive. Looking back, I was the ideal customer for Tate. In November 2020, I decided to join The War Room when it had only 300-400 members. I knew it was a cult before even fully understanding what a cult was. Around the same time, I quit my daily weed use and stopped using other psychoactive substances. One of the first things I noticed after joining was the constant upselling. Access to various groups required purchasing additional courses. Even other members would pressure you to buy them, despite not personally benefiting from the sales. They sold me a dream, and I completely bought in. The “perfect” plan for success looked like this: 1. Go regularly to the gym or do some kind of combat sport to get a better mindset and body. 2. Start dating and meeting a lot of women. 3. Use your girlfriend(s) to make money or gain status. (e.g. putting a girlfriend on OnlyFans or webcam) About six months in, I started my own OnlyFans agency. I even tried convincing girls I dated to participate, though thankfully, none agreed. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t caught up in the mindset. Like everyone else in the network, I fully embraced the so-called “alpha” mentality. I didn’t view relationships in a healthy way, I saw women more as assets than as human beings. It wasn’t about love, it was about extracting value. Over the next 1-2 years, I built a reputation within the War Room, becoming one of its most successful OnlyFans agency owners, making high five-figure profits per month. I purchased all the courses, attended expensive events, and in total, paid around $50K to Tate. At the time, I didn’t care because I was making good money. I did start questioning some things, but being young and naive, I was easily convinced otherwise. Things shifted in summer 2022 when I visited my parents in Germany after a trip to Dubai. I proudly showed off my expensive purchases, completely oblivious to how I had changed. My mother started crying, telling me I had become arrogant. That was the first wake-up call. The second moment came when I met up with an old friend, the same one who had introduced me to psychedelics. I wanted to share my success, but he was uninterested. Instead, he asked me: “Who are you?” That question hit me hard. That same day, he invited me to take LSD again on another day. I had been sober from psychedelics for nearly two years, but I agreed. The trip changed my perspective, making me question everything. Later, his brother introduced me to 5-MeO-DMT, which was another profound experience. After that, his brother also showed me a vision board with a picture of Leo Gura. When I asked about him, the other brother called him “one of the most intelligent people in the world.” At first, I dismissed it, assuming he meant IQ, but I later realized he was referring to a different kind of intelligence. At first, I didn’t dive into Leo’s content because it was too long, and I was too focused on making money. But at the comedown of another LSD trip, I decided to watch my first video: “Reading A Poetic Description Of God-Consciousness” It blew my mind. From that moment, I knew I would explore more of his teachings. The more time passed and the more I changed, the clearer it became to me that I would have no future in the War Room. I started seeing that we weren’t just manipulating women, we were being manipulated too. The deeper I analyzed the leaders and members, the clearer things became. When Leo released his video on Tate, it confirmed what I was already thinking. Still, it took me a while to leave. I had a fear of missing out. But over a year ago, during a magic mushroom trip, I finally decided to leave. I left every War Room group and shut down my OnlyFans agency months later. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’ll leave it at that. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask in this thread. Aside from psychedelics, I know that watching Leo’s videos and engaging with this forum helped me too. Thank you to everyone who contributes or has contributed to this forum.

That's a big mistake. If that's your motivation, you'll convince yourself you're enlightened after consuming spiritual content, neo-advaita, god realization, anything, and you'll go through life proclaiming yourself "awakened," being the typical sad spiritual enlightened unbearable. Be careful.

Yes, I agree that it’s God’s creation and that it is divine and intelligent, doing its experiences and play, and it is as it is. But I think that survival itself requires us to forget that we are not really separated and that we are all God. Survival requires us to forget about the absolute truth in order to sustain the illusion of separation. This is not to deny that there are relative truths within survival and less and more awakened parts of God.

I'd say Truth is an experience. A gift. A deeply personal experience/gift that cannot be shared or given to another (if you want to play that game and acknowledge other), least of all through verbal communication. I can describe that experience and label it (I prefer gnosis to awakened or enlightened) but the words will never encapsulate the experience in a way that does it any kind of justice - especially to the uninitiated - that much is true. But yeah, I hear ya, when you've been gifted that very specific revelation you can get tired of being told you don't really know what you know that you know. Like the Oracle said to Neo, its like being in love. No one can tell you you're in love, you just know it.