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  1. Posted

    35 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

    I, for one, definitely want to try it out.

    Then go for it.

    Demonization of pickup is untenable as all demonization is untenable upon close enough inspection.

    Which includes even demonizing people who demonize.

    Pickup itself is a manifestation of a stage Orange society. As such, it has most of the flaws and benefits of stage Orange.

    You gain optionality and freedom of choice, but you can lose deep intimacy.

    You can gain novelty and faster gratification, but can lose commitment.

    But of course if you’re stage Orange, you don’t care that much about commitment or intimacy anyway. So PUA makes sense.

    And as much as I’d wish that society was higher up the spiral, I have to recognize that is my bias. And remember how much I appreciated that people were willing to meet me where I was at.

  2. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

    Like how come people on this forum don't get it. 

    Because it’s not the phase of life they are in.

    Most guys here are young and feel like they lack options when it comes to dating. So their main concern is maximizing optionality. That’s also what PUA instructors tend to teach.

    Then they conflate optionality with abundance.

    I believe it’s also a product of our larger stage Orange society. Everything is about maximizing options and freedom of choice.

  3. Posted

    35 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

    Pick-up gets frowned upon when it tries to emulate God-likes characteristics through its rules/principes but misses the mark. It gets off when the guy comes from a space of lack and try to emulate something that isn't true to him and/or he treat women totally out of the golden rule, unlike how God would.

    I think it’s even deeper than that.

    If you truly had a level of self-worth close to that high, it’s highly unlikely you’d be interested in doing pick up at all. Or at the very least, you’d be uninterested in the more ego-based parts of pickup, like cranking your lay count as high as possible to feel good about yourself.

    Most guys I see who are actually “in sexual abundance” with women are quite content to just be in a relationship with one woman. It’s actually scarcity that drives a “I need more” attitude and that you need four girls on rotation. In the same way that it’s sometimes someone with the MOST money that feels the most scarcity.

    Abundance does not equal optionality. A cutting down of options can actually signify abundance, because you feel that choice is enough.

    Which is not to say I’m against guys going through a PUA phase. I’ve been very critical of PUA lately, but any guys reading this should understand my bias is that I’ve already been there. I’ve done my 1,000+ approaches. If you haven’t done that, PUA might be temporarily valuable for you. 

  4. Posted

    9 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

    @aurum Is rape in service of the greater good? 

    Seems like there's plenty of stuff that exists that isn't for the greatest good

    Rape exists, therefore it obviously is.

    Any of that stuff that you’re imagining isn’t for the greatest good is only your limited ego’s perspective.

    Which of course does not mean we should go around raping each other. Or that society cannot be made more loving / conscious.

    If we made the decision as a society not to rape anymore, that would also be the greatest good.

    Everything that happens is the greatest good.

  5. Posted

    1 hour ago, Raptorsin7 said:

    Is it possible for a person to become so high conscious, awake etc that they develop the ability to defeat entire countries on their own?

    Consciousness seems limitless in it's imagination, so couldn't consciousness just imagine itself with super human combat abilites?

    There are no limitations on consciousness. But would that be in service to the greatest good?

    Probably not.

    Therefore it won’t happen.

  7. Posted

    3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    So much BS in this thread.

    No one is going to commit to you before sex. Nor is such a thing desirable.

    Stop enabling her obvious neediness.

    ???

    People commit to each other before sex all the time. And it absolutely can be desirable to build a proper relationship.

    Only in pick up artist land is commitment a scary thing that needs to be withheld by the guy until he gets laid. And that’s because most PUAs are coming from a place where they felt like they were taken advantage of. They tried being “nice” up front, but that didn’t get them laid. So they overcompensate.

    I don’t read that what OP is requesting is that unreasonable. She’s not asking for a marriage proposal and three gold balloons. She just wants to know that this guy she is emotionally investing in isn’t going to flip and bounce on her.

  9. Posted

    5 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

    @aurum If you aren't a conspiracy theorist then why do you link to that video? It gives the video views and can make some people believe in the shit.

    ?

    OP wanted to make this a mega thread. Posting examples is generally what that’s all about.

    There are certainly risks to sharing conspiracy videos, which is what I was referring to in my previous post. This is epistemological off-roading. It is potentially dangerous, but there’s also lessons to be learned by studying conspiracies to see how they delude people. 

  10. Posted

    This should about cover it:


    Conspiracy theories are one of the major problems I see in the new age community.

    It’s tempting to think that maybe just because you’ve discovered some truths outside the mainstream level of consciousness, that EVERY theory that isn’t mainstream must be true.

    In reality, not being a sheep and going epistemically off-roading is a big responsibility. If you’re not careful, you’ll just end up sucked into crazy conspiracy theories. And it seems many new age people fail at this.

  11. Posted

    @WonderSeeker

    I did a bootcamp with Todd. In hindsight, I’d say the bootcamp was really only valuable because I made it valuable. I did an absurd amount of approaches that weekend.

    But truthfully, I could have saved myself the 2.5k and done the same thing at home. Todd mostly just had us do our own thing without much attention.

    The thing that ultimately really helped me was not doing a bootcamp. It was having good wings / friends, and committing over the course of months / years to going out.

  12. Posted

    2 hours ago, Jesseappeltje said:

    So what I want to achieve this year is to have a plan B to fall back on when I don't find a right degree.

    My sense is that you should flip this.

    You’re already assuming you will not find the right degree.

    Instead, I would commit myself fully to finding and obtaining your degree, EVEN IF it turns out not to be what you want to do. I would cross that bridge when you get there, not try to deal with it when you don’t even know if it’s going to happen.

    And if you split your focus between your plan A and plan B, realistically you will likely fail at plan A. So don’t hedge. Assume plan A is all you got, even if it’s not.

  13. Posted

    6 hours ago, something_else said:

    then she said she was gonna go tell her friends where she was going. I figured, that's fair enough, so I waited.

    That was your mistake. The right move IMO would have been to walk with her and meet her friends. The chances she was going to come back to you were basically zero.

    6 hours ago, something_else said:

    I still don't actually know whether she would've come back or not, I regret not waiting a bit longer.

    No you did the right thing by moving on. She was not coming back.

    6 hours ago, something_else said:

    I didn't know what to say and I just kind of clammed up. I've had similar experiences before. I don't know why this happens, probably just lack of social experience

    It happens to everyone. The attention moved off you and you were sort of the odd man out. 

    6 hours ago, something_else said:

    But I don't really see the problem with having a few drinks to match everyone else's energy.

    It certainly makes it easier. The problem is, if you’re going our 3-5 nights a week, you’re going to seriously deteriorate your health and your wallet over the long term. And you’ll forget important details for integrating lessons from your night out.

    There’s a lot of value in learning to do pickup “cold”.

    6 hours ago, something_else said:

    I'm reading almost no theory on anything. I'm just going out, having fun and seeing what happens. I can see how structure would be helpful so I have nothing against it, it just doesn't feel like the right approach for me. Maybe that will change.

    That’s good because you’re taking action. But don’t dismiss the theory either. The ideal situation is a blend.

  14. Posted

    8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    I found a specific research chemical which allows me to channel God in dialogue form.

    I’ll have to try that if you decide to share what it is.

    8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    The Conversations With God books demonstrate how it works very well. Don't miss those.

     

    I have read those and believe Neale was tapping in. I suppose it’s just a gut “knowing” at the end of the day that will tell you what you’re channeling. And then you have to trust that.

    8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Yes, it's different than channeling some finite entity. Because you are aware that you're channeling your own highest self.

    That’s the distinction I struggle with making. To me, it all sort of feels the same.

  15. Posted

    44 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    I have experienced channeling and all kind of stuff, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. People have experienced monsters and all kind of weird shit. Does that make them true? No, it's possible that they are just hallucinations.

    Of course, we have no idea if anything is actually true. We could literally “what if” any statement to death.

    Which is good for discovering Absolute Truth. But in the domain of the relative, we have to make assumptions and use our best judgment.

    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    Why channel aliens when you can channel God?

    Eliminate all middlemen, including your self ;)

    I’m actually really curious about this.

    I’ve done channeling for other beings. Angels, spirit guides, etc. But I don’t know if I’ve actually channeled God in the way you talk about it. Or at least, I’m not sure how I would even be able to tell if it was God as the absolute vs a finite being. Or if there is a significant difference at all.

    Maybe all communication with God is always through another entity. 

    At the same time, I’ve had teachers draw a distinction between channeling God and finite entities. So I suspect there must be a difference.

  17. Posted

    40 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    Okay but that's not the same thing as believing that the entire Bashar is a alien.

     

    You mean the guy sitting there? No of course not. The guy sitting there is Darryl Anka. He has never claimed to be Bashar, except as a past-life.

    Bashar is the name given to the alien he says he is channeling. 

    42 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

    I don't know whether channeling is true or not. But I'm leaning towards thinking it's not true.

    That’s probably because you haven’t had experience with it. I have.

  19. Posted

    45 minutes ago, Vido said:

    Yea, I understand. But how are UFO people not into him tho? Even tho he's well known? I don't get that?

    I would expect them to jump at this opportunity and interview him blah blah blah ya know?

    but no one in the UFO community really cares?

    It's bizzar 

    I’d say it’s simple. The UFO community is not synonymous with the consciousness community. There are many distinctions.

    And as a stereotype, many people in the UFO are not conscious. They are conspiracy theorists.

    The fact that Bashar is “channeled” and speaks about spiritual insights would likely make no sense to them. That is not part of the standard worldview of your average UFO fan.

  20. Posted

    1 hour ago, Vido said:

    Bashar is an alien channelled by a guy called Darryl
    The weird part is, he's been doing this since 1980? yet no one is familiar with him?

    I did consume a lot of his lectures and I personally find them super useful and kinda aligns with Leo's work very very much. 

    There is a lecture where he literally explains time travel, how ufo work, etc, etc which is okay, I mean it did make sense to a certain extent and I am open to the possibility

    However, I really do not understand how no one kinda knows or gives a fuck about him. He's literally an alien giving self-help advice.

    I remember Leo saying if aliens come to earth, they wouldn't give us technology but rather teach us about love. Which is what Bashar is doing. 

    I don't get it. 

     

    https://www.bashar.org/

    Lots of people know who he is. Not at a mainstream level of course, you can’t expect the mainstream to be open to this. But within the consciousness community he is well known.

  21. Posted · Edited by aurum

    7 hours ago, soos_mite_ah said:

    Also @Etherial Cat @Tangerinedream @modmyth @Raphael @RendHeaven @Emerald @flowboy @aurum, I don't mean to put you on the spot but, I would love to hear some of yall's thoughts if yall have any. Specifically on the role of envy. 

    My thinking is that everyone usually has a mix of both light and shadow motivations.

    For example, let’s say I start reading personal development books because I’m tired of not living up to my potential. I want to be the best version I can be, and from that place, be of service to others. I would consider this a “light” motivation, as it’s usually the motivation we are most conscious of and identified with.

    But, let’s say that I also start reading personal development books because deep down I don’t feel I’ll ever be good enough or measure up. And so personal development helps me cope with this pain by allowing me to feel like I’m always “improving”. This I would consider a “shadow” motivation, and it’s usually not in our conscious awareness. Only later may we recognize it.

    It’s this psychological fragmentation that can allow us to have these multiple motives all at the same time. Even motives that may seem contradictory. And our actions tend to be the result of this inner conflict.

    So in your case, you are speaking about envy in the spiritual community for essentially material success. We all have needs, but if we feel we cannot meet them, we may resort to coping mechanisms (like envy or judgment) to feel better about ourselves. This definitely does happen and is definitely a potential shadow motivation people in the spiritual community should be aware of.

    At the same time, does this mean the spiritual community is particularly toxic? I don’t think so. The reality is that the mind can use any teaching to justify anything it feels is in its best interests. This is not a problem unique to spiritual people. I could just as easily take a secular teaching and distort it just the same. 

    Perhaps we could say those in the spiritual community should be held to a higher standard since we claim higher levels of awareness. And maybe for a spiritual master, I would agree. But I think this is mostly unfair to ask of your average seeker.

    Your average seeker, who hasn’t put in lots of work, is more or less at the same level of awareness as anyone else.

    So I think you make good points. There’s more we could go into here but this I feel is the most essential.

  22. Posted

    On 9/7/2021 at 7:19 PM, blessedlion1993 said:

    I figure at 500K if i get a return yearly of even 7% (stock market avg) but let's account for taxes and saving, 5%

    I would definitely not expect more than that.

    I don’t know how long you’ve been investing, but 20% ARR is not normal or likely sustainable unless you’re like Ray Dalio or you become one of these crypto millionaires.

    On 9/7/2021 at 7:19 PM, blessedlion1993 said:

    Is this realistic or am i missing something?

    I think it may be realistic IF you move overseas and you’re not planning on having a family, have health insurance and can just live super basic.

    Either way, you’re probably going to want to do some kind of work. Human beings need purpose, that’s why Leo talks about finding your LP a lot.

  23. Posted

    3 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

    This is the case if you’re only caught up in the theory without doing the real work to make it a lifestyle.

    I would argue that it’s still the case, even if you are actively applying the theory. Even if you spent only a few hours learning theory and then spent hundreds of hours going out and applying, that theory is going to color your entire experience. It will not only give you expectations, but it will be the lens through which you do your sense making post a night out.

    In essence, unless you really studied zero pua theory, the experience and the theory are inseparable. And if you did consume zero theory, then you hardly fit any definition of a pua. You’re just a dude who likes to go out and meet girls. Which may actually be healthier lol.

    3 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

    True appreciation for the benefits and detriments of being a PUA cannot come from understanding theory alone. You have to have lived it to truly get the wisdom from it. Which allows you to transcend it, versus only understanding the theory and criticizing it (which I get sense from a lot folks on this forum).

    I agree with that for the most part.

    I’ll nitpick though and say that not everyone has to live it to understand every aspect of it. Some people simply have the wisdom from other areas of life to avoid it or form valid assumptions. I don’t have to have driven a race car to form some basic assumptions about what that is like.

    And sometimes being in something for so long can actually distort your perspective. You’re so caught up in it that you become blind. And even a outsider who knows nothing about it can see it because they don’t have the biases you’ve developed.

  24. Posted · Edited by aurum

    12 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

    Those who have done real pickup don't categorize it as theory, nor criticize it from a low position.

    Idealization IMO.

    I’ve done maybe thousands of approaches from pickup. Of course there is a theoretical component to it. Difficult to say “it’s an just experience” when you also attend seminars, watch YT videos, read books etc.

    Pick up has its dogmas and its beliefs about the world like anything else.

  25. Posted

    @Giulio Bevilacqua

    It’s a mixed bag in my experience.

    Some of it may indeed be nonsense. That’s the price of deviating from accepted, mainstream narratives. You’re off the grid now, and so you’re going to run into all sorts of wild ideas. This is the epistemic jungle xD.

    But of course, there also may be somethings the mainstream gets deeply wrong. Mostly relating to spirituality. So you have to discern those things.

    I had a lot of resistance to those sorts of ideas as well earlier on. I was scientifically minded and would have dismissed all that as bunk.

    Just use your discernment. They’re just some hippies, they’re not going to bite your head off. And you don’t have to agree with everything they say.