Stakres

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    6 minutes ago, Urgency said:

    What would be a relevant rare and valuable skill in spirituality?

    Critical thinking. This is probably the most valuable skill, in my opinion.

    Critically analyse every teaching, including Leo's teachings.

    Questions all the models and concepts. Question the notions of "enlightenment", "spirituality", "awakening", " high/low consciousness",  "god", etc. Question all of that. Everything you have heard or read about spirituality might be wrong.

    Find your own truth through your own experience. Don't just blindly follow someone else's teachings, like Leo's.

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    2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    The paradoxes here are unavoidable because the Absolute cannot be captured in any finite symbolic order, since the Absolute is infinite.

    Ok

     

    3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    When you are directly conscious of the Absolute, you become it. You are not interpreating it, thinking about it, or even looking at it. You and it become ONE.

    What is after you experience it? What comes after? How do you continue after that experience?

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    @thetrut11 You are right. You are thinking critically for yourself.

    It's obvious that men and women have differences. Don't let others delude you.

     

    Some people use a model of reality with man = woman. Does this model work and help? In certain situations yes, in many others no.

    You are thinking critically for yourself, that's great. Don't just follow what others are saying.

    The simple model is often the truth. Facts are facts as you said. Reality is obvious to people like you, who haven't been deluded yet. Don't let others delude you. You are on a right path. Men and women are different in many ways and similar in other ways.

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    10 hours ago, Neph said:

    What and who is the source of the dreams?

    Your organism. The dreams are produced by your organism.

     

    10 hours ago, Neph said:

    Whatever we dream in our dream does with happen only by our own energy or also the energy of other people that we see in our dreams their energy is also involved?

    The dream is occurring inside your organism. You can experience over people in your dreams. For example you can see your close family in your dreams or other people who had significant influence on you. These people "live inside your inner world" (not literally).

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    16 hours ago, RevoCulture said:

    You can choose to lift your right hand but in a measurable about of time the decision was made before "you" made it.   

    Exactly. That was my understanding too.

     

    16 hours ago, RevoCulture said:

    But, if life has others components to it, such as life isn't driven and determined solely by the material plane, then maybe reality is 100% determined by the material reductionist understanding.  

    I agree. However so far there is very little evidence for some "spiritual ether". But if there will be research in the future backing that up, I will be all over it too.

     

    12 hours ago, Consept said:

    The fact that your birth was out of your control is a bit of an easy one, you could say any decision after your birth came about because of your birth which was nothing to do with you. But delving deeper, your upbringing was not your choice but we know that has a major impact, your culture and yes your brain, at what point is it free will? What even has free will, your idea of who you are? 

    Exactly. We are being lived. All these influences shaped us and we had very little to no control over it, although it might seem that we chose it all. But in fact everything just happened.

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    @RevoCulture  As I understood it, it's his ideal. It would be great if more people would not hate, forgive and accept others as they are.

    It feels like we have a choice (I can lift my right hand or I can think of an elephant), but ultimately those are determined by what happened me and which environment I'm in. However it doesn't mean that I can go around doing stupid things.

    In a way, it is a choice to not hate, forgive and accept others. I can try to be more accepting and work on it over time.

    On the other hand, it's hard, and it's not an easy choice. Just like quitting an addiction, it's really hard to actually implement

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    @Chumbimba Great findings!

    Check out this video by a top Stanford neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky on Free will. He is one of the leading researchers in neuroscience.

    He says that there is no free will and that society has to be restructured to account for the fact that killing just happens and people don't have control. He doesn't know how to solve that issue. In our current society it's unimaginable.

     

    Another paraphrased quote I like: There is no free will, but it doesn't mean that you can go out there and do anything you want.

     

  20. Posted

    3 hours ago, LastThursday said:

    The solution to the doubt and to the contradiction is very simple. You are never not conscious. Consciousness is 'always on'. 

    Using your logic, you can never be 100% about consciousness being 'always on' either.

    However you know what differentiates a precise model vs some random statement? Scientific method. We can construct experiments as you mentioned above, and verify over and over again that you were indeed asleep and a human primate.

    Please setup an experiment to verify that consciousness is "always on". If we can replicate the results of your experiment, we will have verified to the best of our knowledge that indeed consciousness is "always on". I would love to see that and change my opinion.

    Until then, I'll stick to models which have been verified and have more evidence.

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    2 minutes ago, Reils said:

    It is truly a cultural issue. Something that is not so easily solved. The way we are living is what is causing the majority of the suffering in America. The dopamine triggers which are setting up our youth for bastardization and addiction. But because it makes money and we live in a SD stage orange society that is acceptable.

    Boom! I totally agree.

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    2 minutes ago, purerogue said:

    1)What does "shown signs of improvement" even mean.

    You can look into the actual studies and the primary sources. They will have the definition of "show signs of improvement".

    There are different scientific models with which you can measure the severity of depression, for example Beck Depression Inventory, with which you can measure the severity of symptoms. After the clinical intervention the symptoms have improved, ie the patient was feeling better

     

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    2)3-4 weeks is long time for depression, to have it last that long it must be serious, so what cases are they making statistic of, if they take all minor depressions in account then it is very skewed. 

    Again, there are different studies. Some studies take all severities of depression into account, others only severe depressions. From the top of my head, medicine helps the most with most with the most severe depression.

     

    10 minutes ago, purerogue said:

    Seeking professional help is good advice , better then not, but please stop acting as if we know nothing about this, people here have overcome many depressions doing this work and lot have come here with depression and overcome it.

    I agree. There are many people you have had success with this. It would be great to see peer-reviewed research on the success of this work.

     

    3 minutes ago, Reils said:

    I am not interested in the current way that society treats mental health because it is more focused on monetizing the treatment of patients rather than working at the root, and finding a cure.

    I have had too many individual experiences with- as well as friends and family members suffering from -addiction, depression, suicide, anxiety, to believe that the current health care system in America cares about our health.

    The individuals on the ground floor are often great people. But you stick a diamond in a shitter and it is still going into the sewer.

    I agree, the treatments aren't ideal, are monetized and could be improved.

    I'm not sure if you have done therapy, but "working at the root and finding a cure" is exactly what therapy helps patients with. Either with the life situation or deep rooted childhood issues like trauma. I would suggest you read about medicine in that area. I assume you are under-informed how far medicine goes. Most practices talked about here can be found in peer-reviewed science

     

  23. Posted

    @purerogue Addiction is very closely related to depression. What I got from Reils' post was that in his view, medicine isn't very effective in treating mental health conditions.

    My point was: it's important to get professional health if you are addicted and you can do whatever you want to on the side.

    We have different views, but no need to debate.

    Addicted people could try different approaches and see what works for them.

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    1 minute ago, LastThursday said:

    So you retrospectively "fill in" the fact that you had no awareness.

    Exactly. Afterwards you became aware that you had no awareness.

     

    1 minute ago, LastThursday said:

    My point is that you can't be aware of not being aware

    Yes you are not aware at that moment. But afterwards you recognize that you were not aware.

     

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    For all you know whilst asleep you turn into a multi-dimensional being with tentacles, but you would never know.

    Yes during sleep you are not aware of "you". I and 10 of your friends can most likely stand next to your bed while you sleep and verify for you that while you were not aware, you still remained a human primate and haven't turned into a squid with tentacles.

     

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    You wake up, but always fill-in the wrong experience: I was just a human who lost consciousness.

    Question everything you believe. Why is being a human who lost consciousness a wrong experience?  I would really love you to go deep on this one. Why is it wrong experience to be human?

  25. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Reils said:

    Who are we to say whether a licensed medical professional is more effective in helping people recover from addiction any more than an acupuncturist, or a reiki healer? I don't know. I just know that the current way the U S of A handles people struggling with addiction in the professional setting is less than desirable.

    What do you based your assessment on that "professional setting doesn't treat addiction desirably"?

    There are statistics and verified peer reviewed science which backs up the effectiveness of addiction.

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    •     Up to 80% of those treated for depression show an improvement in their symptoms generally within four to six weeks of beginning medication, psychotherapy, attending support groups or a combination of these treatments. (National Institute of Health, 1998)
    •     Despite its high treatment success rate, nearly two out of three people suffering with depression do not actively seek nor receive proper treatment. (DBSA, 1996)
    •     An estimated 50% of unsuccessful treatment for depression is due to medical non-compliance. Patients stop taking their medication too soon due to unacceptable side effects, financial factors, fears of addiction and/or short-term improvement of symptoms, leading them to believe that continuing treatment is unnecessary. (DBSA, 1999)
    •     Participation in a DBSA patient-to-patient support group improved treatment compliance by almost 86% and reduced in-patient hospitalization. Support group participants are 86% more willing to take medication and cope with side effects. (DBSA, 1999)

    https://www.dbsalliance.org/education/depression/statistics/

     

    Acupuncturist, or a reiki healer can be helpful to some. That is possible. However if you are depressed, the first step should be to seek professional medical help. You can do everything else on the side.

     

    10 minutes ago, Reils said:

    I have considered that to a very deep extent.

    Which conclusions have you come to? I would love to chat about that over PM, because it's out of scope of this thread.