why heterosexuality is natural and homosexuality a deviance

[Yimpa]

@Thought Art @Princess Arabia My uncle wanted me to become a priest, but I did not approve of that offer. 

In any case, I would be more than happy to bless your guys’ future marriage 

[Carl-Richard]

Who the fuck cares about natural? Death is natural.

[Yimpa]

@Carl-Richard not unless it’s death metal. That shit is actually the works of the devil.

@ivankiss

[Danioover9000]

@Yimpa

Just now, Yimpa said:

@Carl-Richard not unless it’s death metal. That shit is actually the works of the devil.

@ivankiss

🤣😊

[Thought Art]

@Yimpa We are not a match ⚠️ 

Edited December 8, 2023 by Thought Art

[Devin]

Masturbation seems categorically more homosexual than homosexuality even, and more people have masturbated more than had hetero sex, therefore homosexuality is more normal actually. There are more Asexual organisms in existence and throughout history, including Adam if you're an Abrahamic follower, therefore heterosexuality is more a deviance.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Devin

[Merkabah Star]

On 7/12/2023 at 4:14 PM, Majed said:

btw i'm myself sexually fluid, and didn't say that homosexuality is bad. i just shared the results of my contemplations.

Saying it’s a deviance kind of implies it’s bad. 😀
 

[UnbornTao]

What's natural is the drive to have sex. Heterosexuality is the norm but I think both sexual predispositions have occurred throughout history.

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

32 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Saying it’s a deviance kind of implies it’s bad. 😀
 

   Is it really the case that deviance implies bad? Why is deviance bad? It's similar to deviation, and deviations exists in many things in nature and even in man made objects, in history and in evolution many types of mutations would be considered deviations which end up being good.

   P.S, you are adorable.

[Danioover9000]

@UnbornTao

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What's natural is the drive to have sex. Heterosexuality is the norm but I think both sexual predispositions have occurred throughout history.

   Sure, what is natural is sex drive, sexual attraction, and sex biology and dimorphism between male and female bodies. Yes, heterosexuality is the norm and average throughout current times to history, and that homosexuality, same sex, asexuality, and other kinks/fetishes are fringes to the norm and average, the exceptions. Main problem is most people think exceptions make the rule, but most cases exceptions don't make the rule.

   And it's a fact that most cases of STD and HIV are more correlated to homosexuality when partners had sexual relations with each other, or when there's an open relationship with other same sex partners. So if heterosexuality is natural, and it also is natural for an increase in STDs and HIV in same sex, does that make any feelings of fear natural of those that could spread HIV or STDs? 

[UnbornTao]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@UnbornTao

   Sure, what is natural is sex drive, sexual attraction, and sex biology and dimorphism between male and female bodies. Yes, heterosexuality is the norm and average throughout current times to history, and that homosexuality, same sex, asexuality, and other kinks/fetishes are fringes to the norm and average, the exceptions. Main problem is most people think exceptions make the rule, but most cases exceptions don't make the rule.

   And it's a fact that most cases of STD and HIV are more correlated to homosexuality when partners had sexual relations with each other, or when there's an open relationship with other same sex partners. So if heterosexuality is natural, and it also is natural for an increase in STDs and HIV in same sex, does that make any feelings of fear natural of those that could spread HIV or STDs? 

To be honest I don't care about this topic, but that something is natural doesn't mean it has to take healthy forms. You're talking about something else. Whatever.

[Danioover9000]

@Devin

1 hour ago, Devin said:

Masturbation seems categorically more homosexual than homosexuality even, and more people have masturbated more than had hetero sex, therefore homosexuality is more normal actually. There are more Asexual organisms in existence and throughout history, including Adam if you're an Abrahamic follower, therefore heterosexuality is more a deviance.

   How is masturbation categorically more homosexual than homosexuality? How is more people masturbated than hetero sex makes homosexuality normal? Okay, there are a lot of Asexual organisms like plants and bacteria that can self replicate, not history but throughout evolution, but why include Adam from the bible, which out of nowhere and is irrelevant to this thread? How does all of that make heterosexuality a deviance?

   Firstly, masturbation is the act of pleasuring oneself via hands stroking the pleasure spots of your sex organ, for males it's penis head and shaft, and for female bodies it's the clitoris, the lips and breasts. Obviously both male and female bodies will have different to similar erogenous zones for pleasuring oneself. I don't think masturbation is categorically homosexuality, I think it's a category error you just did, conflating same sexual acts with self sexual pleasure acts. Opposite sex partners can also masturbate each other as well, not just same sex.

[Devin]

8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Devin

   How is masturbation categorically more homosexual than homosexuality? How is more people masturbated than hetero sex makes homosexuality normal? Okay, there are a lot of Asexual organisms like plants and bacteria that can self replicate, not history but throughout evolution, but why include Adam from the bible, which out of nowhere and is irrelevant to this thread? How does all of that make heterosexuality a deviance?

   Firstly, masturbation is the act of pleasuring oneself via hands stroking the pleasure spots of your sex organ, for males it's penis head and shaft, and for female bodies it's the clitoris, the lips and breasts. Obviously both male and female bodies will have different to similar erogenous zones for pleasuring oneself. I don't think masturbation is categorically homosexuality, I think it's a category error you just did, conflating same sexual acts with self sexual pleasure acts. Opposite sex partners can also masturbate each other as well, not just same sex.

Homo, in homosexual as compared to heterosexual, means same, homogenous. The same person performing a sex act upon themselves, masturbation, is more homogenous homosexual.

A man giving a handjob to a penis is categorically homosexual, a female to a clitoris the same, this my friend, can all be contained within masturbation.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Devin

[Osaid]

I already speedran this thread with my first reply tbh

/thread

[Osaid]

OP after posting his "contemplations" and then not elaborating further

[Danioover9000]

@Devin

22 minutes ago, Devin said:

Homo, in homosexual as compared to heterosexual, means same, homogenous. The same person performing a sex act upon themselves, masturbation, is more homogenous homosexual.

A man giving a handjob to a penis is categorically homosexual, a female to a clitoris the same, this my friend, can all be contained within masturbation.

   Sure, I partly agree that homo in homosexuality as compared to heterosexuality, means same, homogenous. The same person performing a sex act upon themselves, masturbation, is more homogenous homosexual needs elaboration. Firstly hetero, in heterosexuality as opposed to homosexuality, means attraction to the opposite sex, means diverse in content, heterogenous. This includes the same person performing a sex act upon themselves, but also includes a different person performing a sex act upon themselves, like a couple masturbating each other, to a person masturbating to the opposite sex, not just the same sex.

   If you consider a man giving a hand job to his penis, and a woman giving a hand job to her clitoris, is categorically homosexual, then that category is small in range. You didn't include the object of sexual attraction that triggers one's arousal to initiate masturbation, which isn't limited to same sex but rather can include the opposite sex, hence a heterosexual male/female can masturbate to their opposite sex they're sexually attracted to. You attempting to make masturbation equivalent to homosexuality is a category error and a false equivalency, without knowing that heterosexuality and masturbation are also compatible, as heterogenous means diverse in content, means that you can masturbate to any diverse in content sexual objects, including but not limited to same sex, but also including heterosexuality and attractions to the opposite sex.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Danioover9000

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Devin

   Sure, I partly agree that homo in homosexuality as compared to heterosexuality, means same, homogenous. The same person performing a sex act upon themselves, masturbation, is more homogenous homosexual needs elaboration. Firstly hetero, in heterosexuality as opposed to homosexuality, means attraction to the opposite sex, means diverse in content, heterogenous. This includes the same person performing a sex act upon themselves, but also includes a different person performing a sex act upon themselves, like a couple masturbating each other, to a person masturbating to the opposite sex, not just the same sex.

   If you consider a man giving a hand job to his penis, and a woman giving a hand job to her clitoris, is categorically homosexual, then that category is small in range. You didn't include the object of sexual attraction that triggers one's arousal to initiate masturbation, which isn't limited to same sex but rather can include the opposite sex, hence a heterosexual male/female can masturbate to their opposite sex they're sexually attracted to. You attempting to make masturbation equivalent to homosexuality is a category error and a false equivalency, without knowing that heterosexuality and masturbation are also compatible, as heterogenous means diverse in content, means that you can masturbate to any diverse in content sexual objects, including but not limited to same sex, but also including heterosexuality and attractions to the opposite sex.

If masturbators, for example a male performing manual stimulation to his penis, is not attracted to that act similar to sex with a woman, then why do they do it?

Obviously many men "attracted" to sex with women are only attracted to the act of sex and nothing more from the relationship, this is no different than his attraction to manual sex with his own penis. Do you see a difference between those two primal attractions?

[Devin]

@Danioover9000 Take the social aspect out of it, why do homosexuals want sex with the same sex, primally? The sexual attraction, not social attraction.

Now, what's the attraction of masturbation? Primally. And opposite sex?

They're the same, all three, heterosexuality, homosexuality, masturbation, it's the same attraction at the primal level, it only changes at the social level.

[Danioover9000]

@Devin

9 minutes ago, Devin said:

If masturbators, for example a male performing manual stimulation to his penis, is not attracted to that act similar to sex with a woman, then why do they do it?

Obviously many men "attracted" to sex with women are only attracted to the act of sex and nothing more from the relationship, this is no different than his attraction to manual sex with his own penis. Do you see a difference between those two primal attractions?

   Because in male sex biology the penis head has many nerve endings that when physically stimulated results in an erection, which then from further stimulation sends signals to the brain that this is pleasure, which then reinforces further stimulation of erect penis, until eventually leading to ejaculation of seminal fluids and sperm and orgasm and climax, followed by other bio chemical triggers afterwards for relaxation. Because of the nerve endings and stimulation, and the brain remembering that orgasm and rewarding it, is why masturbation occurs in males and in females. Also P-M-O, an acronym for pornography, masturbation and orgasm, which mostly means that masturbators masturbate to porn material, porn vids, porn mags, erotica, or other erotic images/words, even the sexual fantasy in their minds of what they're sexually attracted to, from homosexual to heterosexual fantasies.

   I see a difference between the two primary attractions of many men 'attracted' to sex with women primarily and secondly to relationships although this generalization need clarifying from you, and I see this could be no different to his attraction to manual stroking of his penis, but I think you deeply misunderstand these two primary differences yourself. Again you are conflating and making a category error, now between sexual attraction to opposite sex and sexual intercourse between a male and female, and confusing that with masturbation. Again, as I stated, masturbators can pleasure themselves, and be pleasured by their sex partners. 

[Danioover9000]

@Devin

2 minutes ago, Devin said:

@Danioover9000 Take the social aspect out of it, why do homosexuals want sex with the same sex, primally? The sexual attraction, not social attraction.

Now, what's the attraction of masturbation? Primally. And opposite sex?

They're the same, all three, heterosexuality, homosexuality, masturbation, it's the same attraction at the primal level, it only changes at the social level.

   If you want separate the social aspect, fine, but then if you do so then you cannot answer why homosexuals want sex with same sex partners primarily because to masturbate the masturbator needs a sexual object to sexually gratify themselves, AKA PMO(pornography, masturbation and orgasm). The masturbator can have sexual fantasies involving basically their sexual attraction, without having real sex.

   The attraction of masturbation is to stimulate oneself towards orgasm. Heterosexuals can masturbate to a sexual fantasy involving the opposite sex.

   HOW ARE THE THREE THE SAME?! You have now expanded the category here, so it's not just category error, but conflation of the three together! And of course it changes at the social level, because some who chose to masturbate in social settings, act like peeping toms, or at orgy parties, obviously the masturbation will change with the social setting! But how is that an argument for whether homosexuality or heterosexuality is natural???