New War In Israel / Gaza

[Karmadhi]

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

as they did with the hospital incident

Watch the article I sent from new york times above.

[Karmadhi]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don't believe that Israel wants to kill civilians, even if they support Hamas, just for the sake of killing them

Google "Terror Bombing". That is what Israel is doing. It is a standard military strategy.

Also their logic is this: "50 civilians dead for 1 hamas fighter dead is acceptable". It shows absolutely 0 regard for civilian lives which their right wing government sees as subhuman. Hitler and Stalin had similar mindsets.

4 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I've heard that while Israel issued announcements requesting that Gaza people living on the northern side of Gaza evacuate to the south before bombing it, Hamas issued announcements in South Gaza requesting them to evacuate to the north. Hamas also blocked the roads leading to South Gaza and even targeted people who were on their way to the South.

There is endless footage of Israel bombing convoys trying to leave killing hundreds. UN Staff says south of gaza is not much safer. UN is by far more trustworthy here than any other source since they are the most impartial.

5 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

It's a bit complex to fight with Hamas while they hide in populated places, with their tunnels located under civilian buildings. I've heard that there are tunnel openings in many residential homes in Gaza.

Correct, an invasion will be a disaster.

5 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I'm confident that a significant percentage of the bombings and civilian casualties in Gaza are caused by Hamas and other terrorists themselves, and they often try to shift the blame onto Israel, as they did with the hospital incident.

You have endless footage of Israel carpet bombing Gaza. 

[lina]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

At this point after carpet bombing Gaza for weeks, is it still hard to imagine that the Israeli Army is morally capable for this? It is not like they have much empathy for Palestinian Civilians.

+ USA rejected a request made by a rep to conduct an international independent investigation on the attack. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOqsbd7k6Q&t=8s Regardless who did it, it was sadly successful in diverting the attention away from the confirmed non stop bombing of other civilian areas that is happening till today. In the end, it's nothing new for the Israeli gov. they have a long history of similar incidents, even outside Gaza and Hamas they bombed a primary school in Egypt a long time ago  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_El-Baqar_primary_school_bombing. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by lina

[Lila9]

39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

is it still hard to imagine that the Israeli Army is morally capable for this? It is not like they have much empathy for Palestinian Civilians.

Israel doesn't operate like that. It isn't bloodthirsty or fueled by some radical agenda to kill all the Arabs in the world or something. It's just a nation who loves themselves more than they hate anyone. Unlike Palestinians and Arabs there who hate Jews/Israel more than they love themselves.

If Israel was a type of a country that commits genocide, there were no Palestinians and no Arabs in Israel, period. Because everyone would have been already dead by Israel. But there are.

Hamas literally risks the lives of Palestinians, and they don't care much about it, they would lunch rockets on Israel non stop with the awarness that some percentage of it will hurt their own people. If it hurts their own people they will use it cynically to blame Israel and to appear more of victims in front of the fools who buy their stories.

Why are you closing your eyes to Hamas terrorism against Israel the and betrayel of their own people? Do you support Hamas?

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Lila9

[PurpleTree]

i support hummus not hamas

[Karmadhi]

14 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Israel doesn't operate like that. It isn't bloodthirsty or fueled by some radical agenda to kill all the Arabs in the world or something. It's just a nation who loves themselves more than they hate anyone. Unlike Palestinians and Arabs there who hate Jews/Israel more than they love themselves.

The historical 20-30x difference in casualties between Israel and Gaza shows otherwise. 

15 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Why are you closing your eyes to Hamas terrorism against Israel the and betrayel of their own people? Do you support Hamas?

I dont give a shit about Hamas dying, I care about the Palestinian kids which are almost half of all dying. I care about the fact that 95% of those dying are civilains. 

If most dead would be Hamas terrorists I would not care at all about it. 

However if you think killing 50 civilians to kill 1 hamas is acceptable than I will not agree with you.

To me Palestinian kids and Hamas are independent variables. I do not see 1 linked to the other. Kill Hamas but if you kill Palestinian civilian kids while doing it then you are wrong and deserve punishment.

Palestinian civilian kids lives should have priority over Hamas soldiers deaths.

To Israel they dont. Hence the liberal outrage including mine.

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Israel was a type of a country that commits genocide, there were no Palestinians and no Arabs in Israel, period. Because everyone would have been already dead by Israel. But there are

Israel responds to international public opinion. Israel wants to expel the Arabs, it is normal after 100 years of war. It's not that Israel are evil psychopaths, it's that so many years of war and murders generate that. two groups that hate and kill each other daily living together for 100 years is unsustainable. Without public opinion, the strongest would expel the weakest unceremoniously, this means killing children, the elderly, becoming a demon. In Israel the extreme right governs because they are legally elected again and again. So you can intuit what is the real desire of the population

[Nivsch]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Israel responds to international public opinion. Israel wants to expel the Arabs, it is normal after 100 years of war. It's not that Israel are evil psychopaths, it's that so many years of war and murders generate that. two groups that hate and kill each other daily living together for 100 years is unsustainable. Without public opinion, the strongest would expel the weakest unceremoniously, this means killing children, the elderly, becoming a demon. In Israel the extreme right governs because they are legally elected again and again. So you can intuit what is the real desire of the population

Sorry but this is just utterly absurd.

Learn a bit about Israel seriously.

[Karmadhi]

12 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Learn a bit about Israel seriously

Nobody is saying "Israel are all bad" or anything like that.

But their current government is extremly racist and toxic and needs to change to a more green evolved government.

Also there is a high degree of racism of many Israelis towards Palestine. 

Americans used to have the same attitude about blacks before the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s, it is not that before that they were all evil monsters or anything.

[Karmadhi]

@Nivsch

This is the fundamental problem here:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ElWDKIzkdMM

And this was before the terrorist attack on October.

This guy is apparently a schoolar so not an uneducated moron, he holds the title "Doctor".

And he is insulting ALL of them, not just radical terrorists like Hamas. He is insulting their entire race.

As long as this attitude exists, the area will never find peace.

I am not suprised if many elements in the Israeli Government or Military think like this.

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Karmadhi

[lina]

https://twitter.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1717941506848272627

#BREAKING: Israeli air strikes target more residential properties leaving them with no power or internet in Gaza

forms of communication are being cut off..! 

Edited October 27, 2023 by lina

[Karmadhi]

Why only us liberals are crying about Palestine here in the West? I dont see conservatives care much

[hundreth]

It's an impossible situation.

I hear a lot of people arguing Israel should simply send in special forces. To do what exactly? Kill one or two Hamas leaders? Rescue one or two hostages? The hostages are scattered across the vast tunnel system. The leadership is scattered across the vast tunnel system.

This also assumes the IDF is even capable of knowing exactly which tunnel these leaders / hostages are being hidden. How would you find that out?

Israel's goal is to eliminate Hamas as a the dominant political organization in the region. There's no way to "special forces" this. As everyone here has already outlined, a ground invasion will lead to tons of Israeli casualties. 

Seems what is happening is inevitable as cruel and unfortunate as it is.

[Happy Lizard]

How about a objective opinion coming form  Jewish journalist living in Jerusalem, who wrote a book about the treatment of Palestinians under the Israeli government? 

https://youtu.be/BHNRG-LPI-A?feature=shared

This is a remarkable and eye opining interview and it goes on speaking about what might happen in this war, Breaking Points are doing a great job. He also speaks about how the Israelites are oblivious to the lives of Palestinians, And how now even the left center of the Israelites are incentivizing this war because of how they have been kept protected form all these realities for so long. It’s very relevant and just explains so much of what I’m seeing in this thread, I encourage people to give this a listen. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Happy Lizard

[hundreth]

Hamas is like a cancer you can only root out with intense chemotherapy and suffering. 

[Karmadhi]

@hundreth Israel zionism is not better.

also their current government is equally cancer

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbFFVevs0uM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QraCgxStVcQ

[Karmadhi]

@Raze Thank you for sharing.

This clearly shows their moral development of their army is not much higher than that of Russians but people here dont seem to fanthom that

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Sorry but this is just utterly absurd.

Learn a bit about Israel seriously.

I know the history, I see the politicians who are elected, I see the facts, and I really see it as normal that there is hatred towards the Arabs, it is normal after so many years of conflict.

I see it as completely impossible that, having the most sophisticated surveillance systems, the attack would not be detected. I suppose they would even know the names of those involved before breaking the fence through facial recognition. They would know exactly the number of weapons they were carrying. I think they thought it was time to get serious, and I guess the US would have thought it was a good time to get serious with Iran. But of course, maybe none of this is true, it's just an opinion.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I know the history, I see the politicians who are elected, I see the facts, and I really see it as normal that there is hatred towards the Arabs, it is normal after so many years of conflict.

I see it as completely impossible that, having the most sophisticated surveillance systems, the attack would not be detected. I suppose they would even know the names of those involved before breaking the fence through facial recognition. They would know exactly the number of weapons they were carrying. I think they thought it was time to get serious, and I guess the US would have thought it was a good time to get serious with Iran. But of course, maybe none of this is true, it's just an opinion.

Do you think the same thing about 9/11?