Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, StarStruck said: Time to sanction Israel Hasan cheering on and rationalizing Hamas muslims killing , raping jews is the most ironic thing in the world. Edited October 11, 2023 by zurew Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 that’s a few days ago « Activists have accused Iran's morality police of beating a girl for not wearing a hijab and posted a photo purportedly showing her in a coma. Armita Geravand, 16, collapsed after boarding a Tehran metro train at Shohada station on Sunday. Officials said she fainted and released CCTV footage in which she is seen being pulled unconscious from the train. Human rights group Hengaw alleged that she was subjected to "a severe physical assault" by morality police officers. » https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67004886.amp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) @Leo Gura What I don't get is you try to justify everything that is happening as "natural and circumstances". Will you do the same when every single person in Gaza is wiped out. Will you say: oh it's just development and circumstances so don't demonize the Israelis. ? Edited October 11, 2023 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: but they refuse to evolve, to abandon their closedness Saudi Arabia is evolving pretty rapidly. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: It is obvious that the Europeans have committed more atrocities, since they have been much more aggressive and expansive, that is not the point, the point is that Islam is a philosophy that stagnates the souls of those who fall into it, creating personalities full of hate. sterile, fearful, castrated for art, science, expression. and with a huge inferiority complex towards the West, since really, they are inferior. Without the West they would still be in the Middle Ages. but they refuse to evolve, to abandon their closedness, on the contrary, they deepen in it and in their hatred. So, what is going to be their future? No civilisation is good or bad in its entirety. But we can't leave out the golden age of Islam and their preservation of and writings of the greeks which some say sparked the 'Western' enlightenment and others say contributed to it. You are categorising almost 2 billion people as hateful and sterile people with no conscience or morals. ''Westerners are more mentally ill than they've ever been before and there exists a dearth of rationality in public discourse. Everything's hyper emotionalised and exaggerated, reactive + bereft of stoicism. Westerners are, quite simply, going nuts, because the natural order has been disrupted, and because the disruption of that order has taken the steady political and communal functioning of their families away from them, and the stability that provides. Combine that with Godlessness, and you have mass misery. There is no purpose, nor sense of connection to anything - just an endless hedonic treadmill of capital pursuit - an obsession with money. That's all that remains to fill the gaping void left by social breakdown. And so a high trust culture becomes a low trust culture, and the height of civilization becomes the global laughing stock. Loneliness is greater than ever despite connectivity being greater than ever - a dark and poetic irony. People are miserable, but they think is normal. And our governments try to export this to you. They try to break you like us, to destroy you in the way they destroyed their own people. And if your government tries to preserve your culture and defy their social edicts, they subject you to regime change to impose their ways. But the main regime that needs changing is the one that goes around trying to change everyone else's. The regime that broke its own people, then exports its dysfunction globally and labels it progress, when not doing as they say leads to punishment and lack of foreign investment. As a westerner, I would like to think the west is a force for good in the world - but I struggle to see it. I am not treasonous or self-loathing, I love our heritage, but I am observant. And the culture we are exporting is poisonous. Where we once civilized we simply now corrupt. The most ardent anti-westerners will of course deny we ever civilized anything at all. That the western man was always evil, never did any good for the world, and deserves the current doom befalling him - I don't believe that, but I appreciate why they might hold this sentiment. '' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Vrubel said: @Leo Gura What I don't get is you try to justify everything that is happening as "natural and circumstances". Will you do the same when every single person in Gaza is wiped out. Will you say: oh it's just development and circumstances so don't demonize the Israelis. I'm not looking to justify anything. I'm interested in seeing all the perspectives and nuance. Unlike most people, I am interested in the perspective of terrorists. Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Leo Gura said: Saudi Arabia is evolving pretty rapidly. They are evolving so rapidly that the Princes have to pretend they are all conservative lest the religious fanatics start a civil war. Glory to Israel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, Leo Gura said: Saudi Arabia is evolving pretty rapidly. Yea that will be interesting i mean skthough they are destroying yemen, exporting wahabism etc extremists will probably turn on saudi arabia at some point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Scholar said: They are evolving so rapidly that the Princes have to pretend they are all conservative lest the religious fanatics start a civil war. Being a billionaire and being conservative is no fun. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Leo Gura said: I'm not looking to justify anything. I'm interested in seeing all the perspectives and nuance. I am not saying you support it but you do justify it, like for everything bad and horrendous you feel the need to play it down and relativize it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, Leo Gura said: Being a billionaire and being conservative is no fun. What do you think of the socialist-lefts response to this? Glory to Israel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, zurew said: Hasan cheering on and rationalizing Hamas muslims killing , raping jews is the most ironic thing in the world. Jews need to fix their collective unconscious , they have become the nazi officers ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vrubel said: I am not saying you support it but you do justify it, like for everything bad and horrendous you feel the need to play it down and relativize it. No, I feel the need to understand it. And yes, relativity is a huge factor in understanding it. I don't accept this sort of Bush/Biden position of "Terrorism is evil, full stop." This is not serious understanding, this is childishness. 7 minutes ago, Scholar said: What do you think of the socialist-lefts response to this? I don't understand your question. Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Leo Gura said: I don't understand your question. The socialist-left's response to the terrorist attack in general. Glory to Israel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Leo Gura said: No, I feel the need to understand it. And yes, relativity is a huge factor in understanding it. This is hard, even for people in this forum, who are interested in development. Our instinct wants to pick sides, not understand. Thanks for giving us this perspective Leo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Scholar said: The socialist-left's response to the terrorist attack in general. From what I've seen, leftists are split on this. Some are so blind they support Hamas out of their love for Palestinians. More reasonable people on the left condemn the terrorism as much as people on the right. Any reasonable person is gonna condemn the terrorism. But all terrorism has a broader context, which usually goes ignored. I am interested in exploring that context. What creates terrorists? What I liked least about the whole 9/11 era was that no one was seriously asking what creates terrorism? Which should have been the top question. Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: that’s a few days ago « Activists have accused Iran's morality police of beating a girl for not wearing a hijab and posted a photo purportedly showing her in a coma. Armita Geravand, 16, collapsed after boarding a Tehran metro train at Shohada station on Sunday. Officials said she fainted and released CCTV footage in which she is seen being pulled unconscious from the train. Human rights group Hengaw alleged that she was subjected to "a severe physical assault" by morality police officers. » https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67004886.amp That's normal, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/saudi-arabia-drop-ludicrous-conviction-and-death-sentence-against-man-convicted-over-social-media-posts/ Islamic countries repress with extreme harshness any sign of freedom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: Any reasonable person is gonna condemn the terrorism. But all terrorism has a broader context, which usually goes ignored. I am interested in exploring that context. What about hitlers broader context to do all that stuff? Or do you think terrorism in particular has a broader context because it comes from a mix of hate and hopelessness? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: What about hitlers broader context to do all that stuff? Yes, I was also interested in understanding Hitler when I was young. When I was 17 or so I bought and started reading Mein Kampf to try to understand Hitler. I read Stalin's biography. I read Saddam Hussein's biography. I read Lenin's biography. I read Mao's biography. I read Genghis Khan's biography. I read about North Korea. I studied Osama Bin Laden's ideology. If Satan had an autobiography, I would happily read it. Edited October 11, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: That's normal, https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/saudi-arabia-drop-ludicrous-conviction-and-death-sentence-against-man-convicted-over-social-media-posts/ Islamic countries repress with extreme harshness any sign of freedom Here you have to differentiate between countries and even regions imo though. Places like Iran, Saudi etc in that regard extremely backwards and repressive. While other places are more forward. You could say the more they take Islam serious the more backwards/repressive though in a way Edited October 11, 2023 by PurpleTree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
