New War In Israel / Gaza

[_Archangel_]

@zazen

4 hours ago, zazen said:

True. I think another aspect is that the biases we see from the 'other' side can lead to frustration to the point each side will want to share isolated events which can help pop the other sides bubble and let them see that its not that they have biases, but that biases actually have them completely imprisoned. Similar to the fact that its not that people have routines or power but that routines and power have them as their servants. ie the guy who feels he can't get his day started without his 3 hour biohacking routine and anything missed ruins his day, or so he thinks lol.

If a isolated event is stark enough and individualized it can be a powerful tool at exposing our biases. When we hear large numbers like 10'000 dead it doesn't impact the same way seeing a named face who has dreams, aching eyes and a story behind them. Hits deeper and shakes us out of apathetic dehumanization and overlooking our 'sides' actions in perpetuating that suffering. 

Shock value is always the way to change uneducated and deeply biased minds. I agree.
My post was directed to those who aspire to have a more nuanced pov over the situation.

4 hours ago, zazen said:

Yeah jumping to conclusions too quickly is problematic. So is repeatedly leaving these isolated events one after another to accumulate dust while the other side uses them deflecting their responsibility and amplifying the event to then justify the continued horrors they commit. I think thats also a big reason why people rush to straighten out the facts and propaganda that has deadly consequences. If it wasn't consequential they probably wouldn't. Its really messy.

The risk here is dumbing down the conversation too much tho. Propaganda conversation. Not knowing exacly what's happening you jump to conlusions in fear that the other do it quicker then you.
There is already too much of that.

Again, i was writing from the pov of someone who wish to understand better the dynamics of the conflict.

[Danioover9000]

@_Archangel_

6 hours ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Danioover9000

To learn from every sources, but being able to descern the truth and the agenda.

The answer isn't to spread more propaganda.
I'm all for being conscious of what's happening on the field, but too much of that leads poeple to reinforce their biases, deafening critical thinking.

Arguing about a single isolated event is useless.

Not at all. 
I think we should back away because we risk to judge a hot event with rushed conclusion.
Remember all the poeple that rushed to conclusion over the early hospital explosions, not even a day after the facts.


 

   I agree to learn from every source, and discern truth and agenda, but what if the information ecology is polluted by propaganda, and poisons the well of discerning truth and agendas? 

   Great, I agree the answer isn't to spread more propaganda, yet why is Israel spreading more propaganda than the pro Palestinians?

   How is arguing a single isolated event useless? For example, in Andrew Tate's human trafficking trial, they're focused on proving/disproving him being guilty for specifically human trafficking, so is that a useless event and waste of time to gather more details?

1 hour ago, _Archangel_ said:

@zazen

Shock value is always the way to change uneducated and deeply biased minds. I agree.
My post was directed to those who aspire to have a more nuanced pov over the situation.

The risk here is dumbing down the conversation too much tho. Propaganda conversation. Not knowing exacly what's happening you jump to conlusions in fear that the other do it quicker then you.
There is already too much of that.

Again, i was writing from the pov of someone who wish to understand better the dynamics of the conflict.

   If your main point is to inspire more nuanced POV of the situation, and to lessen propaganda, then why have you not addressed Israel's greater spread of propaganda than the Palestinians? Why not suggest to us some outside sources, like ground news or other, that is critical of both sides using propaganda?

[Bobby_2021]

Lol. Propaganda is in full swing. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

9 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Lol. Propaganda is in full swing. 

   As I stated before, both sides are doing propaganda here, just that Israel is more with it's propaganda.

[Danioover9000]

   Sad to see this:

   Did a body language analysis of Owen before, so here no different but there's a bit more emphasizing, and disappointment here of how this man was treated here in his POV.

[Heaven]

May I ask how many of you consider themselves religious? @Bobby_2021 @Danioover9000 @zazen @Karmadhi

 

[Heaven]

@Leo Gura Please ban @Danioover9000 This guy does nothing but publishing propaganda.

It’s a discussion not a publication of your agenda.

Edited January 27, 2024 by Heaven

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Bobby_2021

   As I stated before, both sides are doing propaganda here, just that Israel is more with it's propaganda.

I think that if you zoom out to the average of the truth : distortion ratio of a stage RED-blue side, and compare it to the ratio of the blue-orange-green side, the results will be in the favor of the latter and in a very big gap.

When you grow up in democracy from birth you will take it for granted, and then actually the different "creature" will seem to you more sexy, and you will tend to symphatize with him more in many cases. And then of course to give over weight to his claims.

Not that it is bad to be interested in very different cultures, this is a beautiful thing and has its purpose, but when in such tricky conflict like we have now, this is a double edged sword.

Edited January 27, 2024 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

   Here's the moment of TRUTH, if you guys cannot see how blatantly propagandist this Levy is, that's the strongest sign you have been mund fucked by Israeli propaganda:

   REALLY BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF! Not me, or others, or Leo or mods, but YOURSELF! Notice how he's words are poisoning your mind, just NOTICE! Apply your mindfulness to this situation, and see for yourself.

   Same with the other side, go apply mindfulness and see for yourself how damaging propaganda can be. Demanding me to get banned over getting triggered, the levels of lack of mindfulness...is wild.

Edited January 27, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Heaven]

@Danioover9000 Bro I can clearly see how emotional you’re about this topic..You keep publishing cherry picking of information and look micro rather than macro. 
You keep brainwashing yourself with YT Islamic content and then you get mad with us not agreeing with you.

You are not here to discuss. You are here to show how wrong the other side is and criticizing us. 
You need to be honest with yourself and ask what are you trying to do here.

You lead to war instead of finding common ground.

[Heaven]

Most of the anti Jews are listening to opinions rather than facts. Instead of watching the entire 30-60 minutes video they pin point about 10 secs and misinterpret in purpose. 
Media is clearly on the Islamic side because there are 2 billions Islamic people verses 15 millions Jews. Not to talk about TikTok who is controlled by China(Obviously they are on the terrorist side).
Focus on facts. See the world as it is. 

Less than a hundred years ago, terror organization killed 50% of the Jews. Than proceeded with killing almost 100 million people. 
Jews are in a danger of extinction.
Anti semitism is in all time high. 
Yes it’s almost impossible to be unbiased when your life depends on it.
 

[Raze]

 

Edited January 27, 2024 by Raze

[Heaven]

@Leo Gura Please ban @Raze

Citing things from Al Jazeera is like showing things from Israel channel 14(The extreme right). 
Again you are not being objective and biased. For some reason I am not surprised.

[Merkabah Star]

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IFJ to take Israel to court if journalists are targeted

The International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) has pledged to prosecute Israeli officials if they do not comply with the International Court of Justice’s orders in regards to targeting journalists.

In a letter addressed to Netanyahu and Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, IFJ noted that “the death toll now represents around ten per cent of journalists in the enclave”.

It added that the death rate for journalists is around three times that of health workers – “it is impossible to believe that this is a matter of chance”, it said.

“Our hope would be that humanity and a desire to promote a free media is sufficient to persuade you to take these steps. If this does not happen, however, we will have no hesitation in initiating action in the international courts against politicians and IDF commanders and encouraging our 187 affiliates to do the same where their domestic jurisdictions allow.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/27/israels-war-on-gaza-live-hospital-blackout-amid-khan-younis-assault

 

[Nivsch]

13 minutes ago, Heaven said:

@Leo Gura Please ban @Raze

Citing things from Al Jazeera is like showing things from Israel channel 14(The extreme right). 
Again you are not being objective and biased. For some reason I am not surprised.

This is appalling and turns my stomach to see this cruel distortions.

Cherry picking can make even the sun to look dark, with focusing only on sunspots.

I have never saw Israeli children sing things like that thats why I am sure 99.999% of Israeli children are not like that.

I grew up here from birth and I know Israelis for 36 years, and this kind of cruelty manipulation comes from aljazeera is equivalent to hamas mantality just without the physical violence. @Heaven I am totally agree with you here.

Edited January 27, 2024 by Nivsch

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This is appalling and turns my stomach to see this cruel distortions.

Cherry picking can make even the sun to look dark, with focusing only on sunspots.

I have never saw Israeli children sing things like that thats why I am sure 99.999% of Israeli children are not like that.

I grew up here from birth and I know Israelis for 36 years, and this kind of cruelty manipulation comes from aljazeera is equivalent to hamas mantality just without the physical violence. @Heaven I am totally agree with you here.

Al Jazeera didn’t produce the video, they just reported on it.

[Heaven]

32 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

This is appalling and turns my stomach to see this cruel distortions.

Cherry picking can make even the sun to look dark, with focusing only on sunspots.

I liked this metaphor 🔝 

[Heaven]

@Raze Let’s agree to disagree🙏 

Please stop using this platform to promote your agenda. Showing only one side of the story. Emphasizing how bad is the other side.
 

Imagine that someone broke into your house burned your house, raped your wife and kidnapped your children. 
How would you behave? 

[Merkabah Star]

 

[Merkabah Star]

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The United States has created a channel with Israel to discuss concerns over incidents in Gaza in which civilians have been killed or injured by the Israeli military and civilian facilities have been targeted, two U.S. officials with knowledge told Reuters. The channel was set up after a meeting earlier this month between U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Israel's war cabinet during which Blinken expressed concern about the "constant" reports of Israeli strikes that either hit humanitarian sites or resulted in large numbers of civilian deaths."