Posted January 21, 2024 I am biased about this war since I am a non-white progressive person living in America. Beauty is all around Infinity 𑣲⋆｡˚ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 53 minutes ago, Nivsch said: This reminds me the iconic performance (including the dance) of Noa in the Eurovision show: Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lila9 said: This reminds me the iconic performance (including the dance) of Noa in the Eurovision show: Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type). Edited January 21, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Oh yes that was super iconic 🤩 And Neta in 2018 too. Yes! Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 12 minutes ago, Nivsch said: To be honest Sweden's song this year was beyond amazing (but the performance was less to my type). I'm in love with the Sweden song, loved the performance too! Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) Netanyahu and his supporters are far bigger threats to Israel than Hamas. He is now admitting he will never abide by a Palestinian state. He wants to continue the status quo, blockade Gaza, mass bomb them when they try to resist creating orphans for extremists to recruit, and allow settlers to slowly force out those in the West Bank. This is assured violence, this is the situation that lead to every attack on Israel in the past decades including Oct 7. This is going to blow up when the surrounding middle eastern countries have had enough and given that Israel has nukes and is prepared to use them, it could take the rest of the world with them. Virtually every other country in the entire world including the US believes a Palestinian state is the only chance for peace. If the US keeps supporting Israel after this it’s going to be clear they are entirely in the pocket of AIPAC. Young voters are souring on Israel and this will continue until they are the majority of voters in 30 years, but by then Orthodox Jews will be a much larger population in Israel and their politics will be even more extreme. This is a disaster in the making. Edited January 21, 2024 by Raze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said: @Lila9 So the ultimate logical conclusion is that you want Palestinians in Gaza, in West bank, to convert to western values and democracy and stop fighting? Also by implication you want Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen, most of Iran, to just speed up development into western democracy, egalitarianism, and feminism? You ultimately want this American ideology to quickly spread and infest most of the middle east, regardless of cultural lose to those following Islam? No, I want it to remain Islam. There is enough Americanization in the world and the Islamic culture has its own beauty which I don't want to go away. But I want it to be a more sane and conscious form of Islam in its approach to human rights and Israel, this exists among many Muslims, but not as a collective. Edited January 21, 2024 by Lila9 Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 @Raze On one thing we can agree and is that Netanyahu is toxic. 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) @Leo Gura I only like that he goes with his inner 'fire' and truth all the way (even when I am not necessarily agree with things he say) despite all the pressure on him from the outside. The problem is that he is willing to run over and destroy everything and everyone that stand on his way. Edited January 21, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 @Leo Gura 11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Same with me, I like Chris Langan for his smarts but not his politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Why? He’s on the verge of going to prison for corruption and is arguably responsible for the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by riling up extremists towards him. Not to mention all the violence he inflicted on Palestinians and putting Jews at risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 No no You should be listening to orphaned land now Ooo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 12 minutes ago, Raze said: He’s on the verge of going to prison for corruption and is arguably responsible for the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by riling up extremists towards him. I don't know enough about that to make an evaluation of its truthfulness. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's funny. I like Netanyahu as a person but not his policies. Maybe it’s because he so Americanized and appeals to tacit American cultural and social sensitivities. Edited January 21, 2024 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: I connected some dots today and realized that what many people here in this thread see as "Israel" is ,mainly, the 5% most far-right sector. I now understand this when I remember all the links and statements being quoted here. Why is that? Maybe those 5% have the highest sound volume, or that the world media wants to focus almost solely on them out of a confirmation bias. Yes of course, people think we’re brainwashed with no capacity for objective thinking while in reality we stand up for our naked survival and all kinds of ugliness, lies and deceit. Edited January 21, 2024 by Vrubel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 12,000 dead children 85% of homes destroyed 1.9 million people without shelter 60,000 pregnant women I genuinely don't understand some people in this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Vrubel said: Yes of course, people think we’re brainwashed with no capacity for objective thinking while in reality we stand up for our naked survival and all kinds of ugliness, lies and deceit. ❤ Edited January 21, 2024 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Vrubel said: Maybe it’s because he so Americanized and appeals to tacit American cultural and social sensitivities. He's very intelligent and he genuinely loves his country. He's not a radical as the left likes to portray him. He lost his brother in a counter-terrorism military operation. Edited January 21, 2024 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted January 21, 2024 @Yog 1 hour ago, Yog said: No no You should be listening to orphaned land now Actually dope music and rock in roll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
