Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, StarStruck said: @SurfingBird who won in Afghanistan although US has n1 army in the world? @StarStruck Afghanistan is not US soil. Pulling out of Afghanistan was not an existential threat for the US. And even still, the US could have kept controlling Afghanistan for as long as they wanted to, they just chose to pull out. You clearly have an extremely rudimentary understanding of this topic so I'll not bother further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, SurfingBird said: @StarStruck Afghanistan is not US soil. Pulling out of Afghanistan was not an existential threat for the US. And even still, the US could have kept controlling Afghanistan for as long as they wanted to, they just chose to pull out. You clearly have an extremely rudimentary understanding of this topic so I'll not bother further. Most people in this thread are uneducatable, so you are wasting your time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, StarStruck said: Hamas can't be fought in isolation. If Hamas is attacked Hezbollah will be involved and they have 200k soldiers around Israel. I doubt Israel is able to survive this, and if it does, it might wish it didn't. It has 100K + 7K commando Israel has 500K + Airforce + other things to use if forced to a corner + USA support. Also you dont know how much our society unify when forced to do so. This is amazing what is happening here today. Every one is just looking to help in any way. Edited October 22, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Scholar said: Most people in this thread are uneducatable, so you are wasting your time. @Scholar Ah yes, the classic privileged westerner. Zero knowledge, complete confidence. Edited October 22, 2023 by SurfingBird Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SurfingBird said: @Scholar Ah yes, the classic privileged westerner. Zero knowledge, complete confidence. I'm actually from the region so it is funny how they "know" it better than me after having watched some youtube videos. Can't be bothered with the rabble. Edited October 22, 2023 by StarStruck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, StarStruck said: I'm actually from the region so it is funny how they "know" it better than me after having watched some youtube videos. Can't be bothered with the rabble. @StarStruck So am I. However, as you have so eloquently shown, geographic proximity has no bearing on actual knowledge or critical thinking skills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 well ok here’s the other weinstein brother https://youtu.be/R3jTmO-Q9xE?si=iHGGfIFMj3iJC4wM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 https://youtu.be/NPc6bCxJkdY?si=x0xbvP9HiJhkDoqT i don’t know can’t embed videos today, it’s just a protest in london Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nabd said: The US won. They have a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist government right at the border of a Shia fundementalist terrorist government. Afghanistan is there to attack Iran when the time is right. But didn’t you say israel and iran work together and profit from each other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nabd said: The US won. They have a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist government right at the border of a Shia fundementalist terrorist government. Afghanistan is there to attack Iran when the time is right. Can I sell you some land in Florida? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Nivsch said: Also you dont know how much our society unify when forced to do so. This is amazing what is happening here today. Every one is just looking to help in any way. Do you think that young Israelis would fight in a war like, for example, the Russians and Ukrainians? For me this is an enigma, I can't imagine Europeans doing that, although perhaps when the time came they would do it. battles with thousands of deaths every day, mutilations, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 @Nabd What do you think are Iran's real strategic objectives? It's something mysterious to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) @Nabd I suppose they know how far they can go without the United States and Israel attack them. If they are close to having nuclear weapons they will be bombed Edited October 22, 2023 by Breakingthewall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nabd said: It looks like they want Syria Lebanon and Iraq to stay under their control. Few months ago the US started bringing in alot of troops and equipment to their bases in Syria and Iraq and the Iranians shat their pants because why would the US bring so many troops and naval support? Moving army is costly. Everyone thought the US is here to kick Iran out and Iran first financed some groups in east Syria to revolt against the Syrian democratic forces which are allies of US and NATO. Iran didn't succeed and now used Hamas as a scapegoat to shuffle the cards and hopefully stop any attack on them in Syria or Lebanon. Whatever axis of resistance do, they never ever attack Israel or the US. They are here to work for Iran and to attack civilians and do sectarian cleansings so Iran can bring Shia or force convert people into Shia. This is something westerners don't understand about them and many think they are mortal enemies with Israel and its just not the case. Iran is building an empire and currently are not looking to enter conflict with the US or Israel. Maybe after getting nukes if the west is too stupid to let that happen. Sunni and Sufi branches of Islam, the internal debate of Religion. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus, all have their splits. No wonder there will never be peace on earth, everyone is divided within and without. Do we need a second coming? Edited October 22, 2023 by Sir Oberon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 Its Sunday, going for a long walk in the woods to clear my head of all this passion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nabd said: The relationship between Russia and Iran is complex. They are not allies like NATO for example but also have alot of common interests. They are united by a common adversary. Russia tries to survive and rise, the same as everyone else, and reaches out to whoever suits it. but I don't think Russia would help Iran in case of war Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Nabd said: I think they will back Iran up till the US agrees on negotiating with Iran and accepting its status as a nuclear power. You don't think there will be war and that the United States will change the Iranian regime? I'm sure it would be a very short war. Iranians hate their regime Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk0rA4eW_4g&t=962s This YouTube channel shows 4k walks through Gaza (before this war). I think many will be surprised at how normal it is. It actually has a nice Arabic vibe and great sand beaches. Gaza could have been a great tourist destination and some kind of special business zone like Singapore and Hong Kong. But instead, they chose Hamas. Palestinians gotta be some of the world's dumbest and most dysfunctional people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) @Vrubel can I ask tou where do you live? This will make a huge difference on the way you view Gaza, depending on the place you are used to live in. For example France cities has some of the best bakeries, social gathering, world class child-care, but Americans wouldn’t want to live in France, they would rather live in the US than not have their central heating/cooling and couldn’t simply live without their trucks. tell an American they have to buy a gas cylinder and bring it up the stairs to then hook it up to their oven in order to cook and they’ll lose their minds — my point : it’s relative what you think is livable city, Gaza to the western world is dysfunctional. also add to that Israeli would never allow tourism and all kind of imports and businesses to flourish, arabs flying in and out. That will freak them out security wise. If you’ve painted a group of people as dangerous you tend to see it this way forever, and then it comes and bites in your butt. Not bashing on your point, it’s stupid that Palestinians chose Hamas. But also this rosy picture you are painting is not completely feasible, and not all of it’s fault lie on Palestinians. Edited October 22, 2023 by Happy Lizard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
