Ralston Gives A Clear Answer To Metaphysical Love Question

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Greatnestwithin said:

@Leo Gura you mean that the experience of enlightenment is part of the dream? So what then do you refer to as to be awoken ? 

Open your mind to the possibility that there exists a higher form of consciousness that makes enlightenment seem like child's play.

That's it. I'm leaving here for good. Good God what a quagmire.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Greatnestwithin]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Open your mind to the possibility that there exists a higher form of consciousness that makes enlightenment seem like child's play.

That's it. I'm leaving here for good. Good God what a quagmire.

@Leo Gura don´t leave man - stick around for a few more years!

[Osaid]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Enlightenment is imagined by higher Consciousness.

Impossible. You say this because you don't understand what enlightenment is. It's not something relative. There IS an absolute truth, which is truth/enlightenment.

The end result of enlightenment is not a process or something humans achieve. That comes before. It is true that unenlightenment is a human phenomenon, but this does not touch on the Truth that is realized. You shouldn't be fooled by the relativity that enlightenment seems to be "wrapped" in.

Really grock this: If you are not enlightened, then you cannot verify enlightenment, you can only verify IDEAS about enlightenment, because that is all that it exists as for you, since you are not enlightened. You've never achieved it, so what exactly are you verifying? You're taking psychedelics to verify something you're not even experiencing. 

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's like two men stranded in the desert for days without water. One man asks the other, "Do you have water?" The other replies, "I have nothing." Then a few days later the man catches him taking a sip from a big bottle of water and he screams: "What?!!! You were drinking water all this time?!!! You told me you hand nothing!" The other man calmly replies, "I didn't want to entice you. What you call water I call nothing."

It's not this simple. 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Open your mind to the possibility that there exists a higher form of consciousness that makes enlightenment seem like child's play

Enlightenment is the end of the thing, is to realize the total absolute infinity. After that you could realize the depth of the cosmos, but if the total absolute opens and reveals to you, and you become that, that's it. 

[Terell Kirby]

Truth: Peter Ralston is imaginary.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Terell Kirby

[Jehovah increases]

, it's almost as though you are stuck in an infinite recursion loop. It's somewhat like Groundhog Day until you abscond from your repetitive perpetual and unabating minds you will never ultimately fully unreservedly Understand. And yes Ralston is a stepping stone so to speak just like all religions. You have to go beyond all of it.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Jehovah increases

[mindcentral]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This was exactly didactic rudeness because the point was to communicate to you guys here the stakes of this work. If you don't do this work carefully and properly you will end up an enlightened idiot. I'm not trying to be a jerk here for no reason. There are stakes here which are being overlooked.

Maybe, but consider that you come across as less believable and kind of dull by calling people names and that this is hence not an effective teaching strategy. 

I will now state my perception of you, not to insult you but to clarify how you may come across to many people (and I do not think that these 'many people' are per se the ones that are lacking in qualities like intelligence, insight, etc.)

I admit that I have not followed your content in a very long time beyond lurking on this forum once in a while and reading some of your posts, but to me you appear a kind of grandiloquent person with a bad case of spiritual ego who finds it very important to convey how much more conscious he is than other teachers. You also appear as a person who reifies his trip reports, getting stuck in an intellectual game of deconstructing -- often flippantly and lazily and hence not convincingly -- other models related to consciousness work and furthering one's own. (Perhaps it is being in a position where you must continue to generate content that gets you stuck in this conceptual game?)

It is not that I am a proponent of these other models and hence feel personally offended by this, but the careless disrespect seems to indicate a lack of wisdom and insight rather than being a confirmation of how much more conscious you are than everyone else, which is what you seem to think it indicates. 

You also seem adamant about creating an identification between 'unconscious' or 'less conscious' or 'not conscious enough' and your audience. Even if this is genuinely a didactic technique and nothing else besides, I rather doubt that this is effective.  Rather than shaking people awake, I would rather expect that in this way what you are teaching is emotional tension, negative motivation, low self-esteem, lack, ... I certainly don't mean to suggest that you only teach these things, as I've seen enough content to know that you also teach the opposite of these, but that this is what such a didactic technique tends to teach.

(Just FYI: I am a proponent of using psychedelics for this work, so this is not an issue for me.)

[Salvijus]

You guys are nuts. 

[Breakingthewall]

@mindcentral nice to read a smart mind

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You guys are nuts. 

?we dare to cross the limits of sanity

[Salvijus]

[Breakingthewall]

Btw , the total absolute infinity is not love, is just the total absolute infinity. You can't think in it, you can't talk about it, just make yourself soft enough to have those openess sometimes. You have to drop yourself in the nothingness, you can't keep your greed with you. 

[Water by the River]

48 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Impossible. You say this because you don't understand what enlightenment is. It's not something relative. There IS an absolute truth, which is truth/enlightenment.

Uh oh, i hope that the protagonist writing the lines quoted above stating his realizations and insights here in a way he believes is truthful doesnt get burned at the stake for heresy in this lovely openminded congregation of the one true faith in order to sacrifice his mortal body for the sake of saving his eternal soul and the souls of further ones reading this heresy and who are still weak in true faith and can be led to temptation banned on the altar of "having to reach orbital velocity in kicking out each and any (human)idea that could harm true AWAKENING". Or for some other noble cause.

But on the other side, one could assume that real awakening is robust enough to hold some non-believers in its field of Reality without crumbling in its Awakenings or failing to continue achieving new Awakenings and venturing into realms where no human has ventured before. Just for the sake of saving the non-believers for the, um, real thing? Like out of compassion or something the like?

Although I have to admit maybe that just because this robustness has become quite easy for me after realizing that actually Big Me is responsible for the aparrent mindstream of even the most annoyingly funny ignorant beings  which small me encounters ... Precious training opportunity for small me hangovers so to say.... that it is maybe not so easy for others. Who knows.

These little anecdotes aside, are we not mature, humorous, second tier and sure enough about our insights and Awakenings into reality enough to endure a little agree to disagree in a gracious way? Seriously?!

Respectfully yours

Water by the River

Edited September 19, 2023 by Water by the River

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's it. I'm leaving here for good. Good God what a quagmire.

Everyone here claiming to be AWAKE

giggity giggity

[Jehovah increases]

38 minutes ago, mindcentral said:

 

(Just FYI: I am a proponent of using psychedelics for this work, so this is not an issue for me.)

Wow now that is so cool and I love the words you humans use didactic.

[Leo Gura]

God told me to humbly remind you:

NO ONE HERE IS AWAKE.

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Leo Gura

[Water by the River]

34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

40 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You guys are nuts. 

?we dare to cross the limits of sanity

"Mr Bond, The distance between insanity and genius is only measured by success.” Elliott Carver

[Jehovah increases]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God told me to humbly remind you:

NO ONE HERE IS AWAKE.

 

Since I am God I already know. There is only I and you in this dream. There are others who just to asleep. And the rest is infinite intelligence trying to deceive you.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Jehovah increases

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God told me to humbly remind you:

NO ONE HERE IS AWAKE.

 

??

Test me 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

"Mr Bond, The distance between insanity and genius is only measured by success.” Elliott Carver

As Romans said, vae victis. There is only one possibility: success