There is no such thing as reincarnation

[Tudo]

God "will" have an infinite number of dreams, He "will" dream EVERY POSSIBLE reality. An intelligent alien specimen, a duck, a human, an animal alien. A living creature where gravity is upwards. Where there is some degree of CONSCIOUSNESS will be God.

This reincarnation idea is so nonsense, I don't know where people this stuff from.

[Phil King]

So youre saying God will reincarnate into every possible thing? that sounds like reincarnation to me

[effortlesslumen]

God will dream reincarnation. 

Or are you being sarcastic?

4 minutes ago, Tudo said:

This reincarnation idea is so nonsense

Elaborate, please

[Tudo]

2 minutes ago, Phil King said:

So youre saying God will reincarnate into every possible thing? that sounds like reincarnation to me

Yes, but the problem is that these reincarnation people really believe in the concept of  "me" and time.

 

1 minute ago, effortlesslumen said:

God will dream reincarnation. 

Or are you being sarcastic?

Elaborate, please

 

I'm not being sarcastic. Yes, God may dream of reincarnation, but He not necessarily will

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Tudo

[effortlesslumen]

I can agree because its only a dream and conciousness does not reincarnate it just is. 

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Tudo said:

Yes, but the problem is that these reincarnation people really believe in the concept of  "me" and time.

The concept of “me” and time is extremely useful if you want to get to work on time and/or start a business. 

[effortlesslumen]

4 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

The concept of “me” and time is extremely useful if you want to get to work on time and/or start a business. 

But not if you want to "grasp" absolute truth. 

[Tudo]

7 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

The concept of “me” and time is extremely useful if you want to get to work on time and/or start a business. 

Yes. These concepts are extremely important as humans, so we can make sense of things. But not in the spiritual grand scheme of things.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Tudo

[effortlesslumen]

17 minutes ago, Tudo said:

God "will" have an infinite number of dreams, He "will" dream EVERY POSSIBLE reality. An intelligent alien specimen, a duck, a human, an animal alien. A living creature where gravity is upwards. Where there is some degree of CONSCIOUSNESS will be God.

This reincarnation idea is so nonsense, I don't know where people this stuff from.

I misinterpreted the language, but now i fully agree. 

[caspex]

If you want, you should go all the way with your deconstruction. Why even say that God will imagine being everything? Just deconstruct that as well and say "this here is it, and nothing else."

What you're saying seems almost as bad as believing in time and a self.

[Tudo]

22 minutes ago, Swarnim said:

If you want, you should go all the way with your deconstruction. Why even say that God will imagine being everything? Just deconstruct that as well and say "this here is it, and nothing else."

What you're saying seems almost as bad as believing in time and a self.

 

Yes, God itself doesn't exist, just consciousness.

[Bazooka Jesus]

Incarnation is not something that happens every 80 years or whatever. It literally happens ALL THE TIME. Incarnation simply means that consciousness takes on (the appearance of) a certain form. Without it, experience would not be possible. So the mere fact that you are reading these words is proof that incarnation is one hundred percent real.

The only questionable part (from an absolute standpoint) about the concept of reincarnation is the "re" part. Incarnation only ever happens once, and that moment is right now.

[Hojo]

you do reincarnate, you are calling yourself the ego and saying you dont exist without the ego but you do exist.

[Tudo]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

you do reincarnate, you are calling yourself the ego and saying you dont exist without the ego but you do exist.

You need to elaborate it more.

[Razard86]

This entire thread is word games.....

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Tudo said:

This reincarnation idea is so nonsense, I don't know where people this stuff from.

Its worse than that!

The first incarnation never even happened. ?

❤️ 

[Vasu Jaggi]

13 hours ago, Phil King said:

So youre saying God will reincarnate into every possible thing? that sounds like reincarnation to me

he's saying reincarnation assumes time to be linear and fundamental which is not true hence reincarnation my ass. 

[Someone here]

There is actually some anecdotal evidence backing up reincarnation. People who remember their past lives .

 

[Water by the River]

18 hours ago, Tudo said:

God "will" have an infinite number of dreams, He "will" dream EVERY POSSIBLE reality. An intelligent alien specimen, a duck, a human, an animal alien. A living creature where gravity is upwards. Where there is some degree of CONSCIOUSNESS will be God.

This reincarnation idea is so nonsense, I don't know where people this stuff from.

Yes to that on an absolute level/perspective, big question mark on the relative/appearance level.

And maybe God/Reality arranged it (just to have fun) in such a way that from a relative perspective it looks very much like life-bardo-life-.... and so on, with all the Karma/learning experiences over many lifes, stored in some kind of Kosmic Memory, forming a kind of soul? Sure all relative/appearance, but everything else you perceive/think/feel is also relative/appearance. And as long as one doesn't rest quite permanently in Impersonal Nondual Suchness, the relative does look & feel very real, and can make quite some (emotional) impression... 

So in my opinion, a wise perspective on Karma (and reincarnation):

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour." Padmasambhava

There are endless reports (over all centuries and cultures) ranging from meditation experiences (for example of Storehouse Consciousness and many realms/dimensions), to Out-of-body-experiences (experiencing for example after death realms, or storehouse-consciousness for these soul-units), or Near-Death-Experiences, all showing some of the relative truths of all of that. Among the best stuff I have seen so far, combined with some legit Enlightenment-Experiences, is the material/books/videos from Jürgen Ziewe: https://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Astral_Travel_and_life_after_death.html

And as Bazooko said correctly: ALL of that is manifested/incarnated/imagined right here and right now, including the imagined past/history/Karma/Reincarnation/all of it. But that would be the Absolute Truth. And as long as the relative/manifestation side has emotional impact, philosophizing from and flying high  more towards the Absolute Side of Truth is dangerous terrain... as recently demonstrated here quite impressively.

Water by the River

 

[SamC]

There is no such thing as no reincarnation

Try to prove me wrong