The $2M Anti-Ageing Protocol For Longevity - Bryan Johnson

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

exactly youve we've been duped into unhealthy = fun. snap out of that shit. 

There's a difference between associating pleasantness with unhealthy things and being disciplined like that.
It's like he never had time to do what he really wanted, or just let go.

[RendHeaven]

19 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Quotes that I love about the podcast:

• "My main source of inspiration is having read hundreds of biographies. I love learning about people in their time and place that were able to work on impossibly hard things so talent is the ability to hit the target no one else can, GENIUS hits the target no one else can SEE and the majority of us in life, we play the games that society gives us so that's hitting the target. So currently social media followers. People like to play games where points can be kept and you can be compared to people and ranked. GENIUS is a different GAME, it's trying to find things that DON'T EXIST and you need to have stamina and fortitude to go out and pave your own path and do things that are not recognized, appreciated or valued even in your LIFETIME. So to me reading biographies is about people who do that. They really try to survey all of existence, they are somehow IMMUNE to their time and place and are able to see these things."
• "So I like working with the concept of GEN ZERO of this idea that a group of humans walking into the future that is willing to divorce themselves from all human norms and customs."

 

fuck, that is inspiring

[CARDOZZO]

@RendHeaven ??

I’m thinking how to go to the genius path.

I’m playing some games society loves right now but also playing different games.

Why not create a new game?

[LoneWonderer]

Definitely stuff such as the simulated sunlight could be better achieved by actually going out in the sun as there are a complex array of processes that happen when we expose ourselves to natural sunlight that can't be achived by stimulating it with a lamp.

[sholomar]

I wear sunblock on my face and neck always, use tretinoin on my face, and take glycine supplements. Glycine is a component of collagen that people lack in their diets that helps maintain skin firmness. That's good enough of an anti-aging protocol for me. I allow my legs to get suntanned for the Vitamin D. Sometimes my arms too.

UV exposure causes skin to age faster. Ever notice how African Americans look much better as they age? Whites are ugly when they're old.

Some people also use things like NAC, NMN, and Fisetin. I don't really bother with any of that.

Edited May 26, 2023 by sholomar

[integral]

On 5/23/2023 at 8:50 PM, aurum said:

So far it seems like he has actually been able to put on a ton of muscle and strength. Will be extremely interesting to see where he ends up in 30-40 years.

Well he is taking:

• HGH .6mg, 5x wk
• Testosterone 2mg patch 6x weekly 

Not sure how much this is but doesn't testosterone injection cause muscle growth? Its not exactly "progress" to gain muscle when taking testosterone. Sure we can view it as an improvement but im thinking about this as if hes either taking more testosterone then his body can naturally produce or his body is struggling to produces testosterone so there is a underling problem that is not resolved that he masked with this patch.

If we look at people who abuse HGH and testosterone like body builders they die early from enlarged hearts and other complications. 

On 5/23/2023 at 8:50 PM, aurum said:

This is what I've been contemplating lately.

Your body's feedback system is not really attuned for long-term, subtle effects on the system, like the slow build of atherosclerosis over 40 years. Hence why people drop dead of a heart attack and have no idea.

But the feedback system IS highly tuned for acute situations, like stepping on a nail or breaking a bone. That you will definitely most likely feel.

The problem becomes when we have long-term goals like longevity, but are relying on short-term, acute feedback. This cannot work.

Short term acute feed back tells you to stop taking it. B12 supplementation causes over stimulation, that you can feel immediately, it raises the stress burden on the body. Taking it every day for years just adds stress to the system for years that leads to burn in out in the worse case, when complications happen no one links it back to the supplement or medication. Long term effects of treatment is the least understood thing there is. People that can tollerate taking it everyday are healthy, there body can handle the burden so they missed or did not take the time to understand how the substance is effecting them. 

On 5/23/2023 at 7:30 PM, aurum said:

Maybe. But the point is to use data to sift through these sort of hunches. This is the essence of science. Wellness is too complex for any one human to fully understand.

I understand this perspective and i view it as a over estimating the development of this field. The brightest minds, the innovators, visionaries and creative types arent attracted to the health industry. It attracts a specific type of person who is systemic in there thinking not synergistic. We need engineers not technicians. A doctor is a glorified technician.

On 5/23/2023 at 3:01 PM, undeather said:

Ever thought about that your are giving yourself a placebo/nocebo effect?
If you dont think that's possible - how would you know that?

Everything ingested has a specific effect on the body and mind. Its all psychoactive in a sense indirectly. If I where to ingest something blind I would know what it was based on how it made me feel. Every supplement, medication and food has a specific feeling when ingested. They also have secondary feelings that happen when its absorbed a second type deeper in the digestion system sometimes that happens at night causing disturbances. Im sure you fully understand all this im just explaining how when i eat chocolate for example there is a secondary absorption that i noticed that happends later on that causes a unhealth stimulation at the wrong time of the day like at night. I have no outside source for this knowledge, im not repeating what i saw in a youtube video, i learned this from tracking what I eat and observing my body. If I eat a tomato I get "tomato" high or enter a tomato state, its like mixing colors together in a cup and observing the new color combination. The effects of most supplements are major not minor, B12, vitamin C, omega 3 hit like a tone of bricks and all have a completely different effect, maybe im more sensitive but im guessing its more likely that im paying close attention. 

On 5/23/2023 at 3:01 PM, undeather said:

People used to ingest toxic amounts of arsenic because it "made them feel better" in the short run but of course is highly carcinogenic.
Ever taken an NSAID (Aspirin/Iburprofen)/Paracetamol or Cortison? You will feel noticabely better/healtier after taking those. Of course none of those meds are "healthy" per se in the long run.

Are you saying taking a supplement and feeling bad does not mean its bad for you? That you should keep taking it because its good for you even if you feel bad? 

Edited May 27, 2023 by integral

[aurum]

17 hours ago, integral said:

Not sure how much this is but doesn't testosterone injection cause muscle growth? Its not exactly "progress" to gain muscle when taking testosterone. Sure we can view it as an improvement but im thinking about this as if hes either taking more testosterone then his body can naturally produce or his body is struggling to produces testosterone so there is a underling problem that is not resolved that he masked with this patch.

According their reports, it’s just enough to offset the hormone loss from the calorie restriction he is on. It’s not meant to push him above normal ranges, like with bodybuilders.

I do think this could be an argument against the caloric restriction he is doing. But so far he seems to be managing fine. We will have to see if it crumbles on him.

17 hours ago, integral said:

Short term acute feed back tells you to stop taking it. B12 supplementation causes over stimulation, that you can feel immediately, it raises the stress burden on the body.

This is a gross effect. Yes, gross effects can be felt. But you cannot feel extremely subtle effects, like the build up of atherosclerosis. Proof is that the vast majority of people who have atherosclerosis have no clue about it. They eat like trash and think everything is going well.

If you claim you have an extra level of sensitivity beyond normal humans, fine. Good for you. But that is not 99.9% of people. 99.9% of people need testing and data.

17 hours ago, integral said:

It attracts a specific type of person who is systemic in there thinking not synergistic. We need engineers not technicians. A doctor is a glorified technician.

That is true to a degree. But you can still find many doctors who are deeply systemic and evolved in the health industry. And even doctors who are overly reductionistic still understand quite a lot in their field.

[LfcCharlie4]

Tbf if you was a basically a billionaire & completed all your life's goals maybe you would do this lmao 

I could never be this robotic personally, but I think its great people are testing it 

However, the danger with N=1 is that if he dies at say 70-80 (no matter how many blueprint participants there are) everyone will dismiss it 

I personally think the 'basics' cover the majority of what you need, although maybe this is how you can eek out another 10-20 years of life....

[LfcCharlie4]

@Michael569  Sunlight avoidance? 

I think all the Bio-Hackers admit 85% come from the basics. 

I also think its a lot easier if you have a goal, e.g. you're a pro athlete and want optimal performance

[CARDOZZO]

Bryan is risking all to be a pioneer.

[integral]

@Michael569 Make a Bryan Johnson how to guide on youtube with full cooking instruction for all his meals im sure it will do well. ?Ride the trend. 

Edited June 9, 2023 by integral

[LoneWonderer]

Have to say it is very very interesting what this guy is doing for anyone interested in health and longevity. ?

[zurew]

22 hours ago, integral said:

Make a Bryan Johnson how to guide on youtube with full cooking instruction for all his meals im sure it will do well.

Yeah. Maybe Bryan will invite you in his team and you can get inside his rich circle and take your LP to the next level @Michael569 

[Schizophonia]

Lmao

This guy is stupid, spending millions on useless supplements.

The real elite must be laughing out loud watching this guy torture himself while they sip their cd34-enriched fetus soup.

[zurew]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

This guy is stupid, spending millions on useless supplements.

The supplements are not expensive, the research process is what is very costly (mostly doing all the measuring and evaluating and monitoring those numbers is what costs millions every year)

Edited June 10, 2023 by zurew

[CARDOZZO]

 

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I've been watching a lot of this guy's videos recently. Extremely impressed with everything he's doing and has achieved so far. 

He seems like a really genuine guy with a lot of integrity. 

He's also not desperately trying to sell a course, product or anything. I think he has plans to turn Blueprint into a business but at least at the moment everything is free to access. 

He also isn't super dogmatic about his protocol, particularly things like the vegan diet. He very often says that his protocol is specifically tailored for him and his needs. But it is very interesting that he's on a vegan diet, and in a caloric deficit on top of that.

@CARDOZZO Just to clarify your OP, he's not actually trying to live forever. He's explicitly said he's not trying to extend his life, he's specifically aiming to halt or rewind his biological age. 

These are some really good ones to watch:

 

 

@Leo Gura Are you familiar with this guy? He's essentially saying how do i be the healthiest human on the planet? Some really high quality information.

[CARDOZZO]

He's doing good work, improving each day more and more.

[MarkKol]

This new wave of doctors/health-conscious people is nice, Bryan Jonhson, Peter Attia, Gary Brecka. They seem like very smart and inspiring people. 

Within limits, of course. 

The future of good health is highly highly highly personalized, that much is obvious. I hope AI can one day be that personal doctor you can access at any time. That's ultimately the solution, a highly educated doctor/health coach for every human individually. Humans are largely ignorant of health, and they know almost nothing about their own individual organism.

[CARDOZZO]

@MarkKol Agree 100%

You can search for Dave Asprey and David Perlmutter.

Health is #1 factor to performance.