Andrew Tate changed me in two weeks

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, KH2 said:

You are a threat to this forum, with your low IQ takes. I swear the God. There should be a "mute/slow chat" button on this forum, just like on Discord.

First of all, he never ever said such a thing, secondly, all the seemingly mysogonistic takes were taken out of context. I'm saying that not for you, cause you're low IQ, but for everyone else reading this. Please use your mind people.

Firstly, that's not nice. Secondly, there is a block button.

[Tefikos]

34 minutes ago, KH2 said:

You are a threat to this forum, with your low IQ takes. I swear the God. There should be a "mute/slow chat" button on this forum, just like on Discord.

First of all, he never ever said such a thing, secondly, all the seemingly mysogonistic takes were taken out of context. I'm saying that not for you, cause you're low IQ, but for everyone else reading this. Please use your mind people.

Hey, even if you don't like what she posts, you don't need to verbally attack against her. Remember that there is a real person who has feelings.

[kieranperez]

41 minutes ago, KH2 said:

@kieranperez You are one of those people who need to defend buddhist dogmas, when you can get the same or even much more profound experiences with psychadelics. Sure, meditation is important, but let's not pretend we all need to become some fucking buddhist monks, doing fuck all all day but sitting in lotus position for 12 hours, and/or climbing a montain, to practice spirituality. Mind is flexible and can be changed even at older ages, we see that all the time. You're spewing absolute nonsense, and people who don't have their survival in order and are just mindlessly hating on Tate, are swallowing it all.

Yeah. That statement alone, tells me everything I need to know about you.

Oh the projection. 

No. I didn’t say people need to become Buddhist monks or go into monasticism. I was very clear about what it was I said so go back and reread what I said. 

Now let me make sure I’m clear, once again, on this forum. Explain to me how every teacher out there that’s done more psychedelics than probably anybody on this forum will ever do that’s ACTUALLY awakened consistently says the same thing - THAT’S NOT IT. But no, you think you’re up to something different. Ralston can tell you. Lol even Ram Dass himself has said it. I know the guy who was the lead manufacturer of LSD in the world in the 60s and 70s that did doses as high as 20,000 micrograms and when asked if that was it I get a one word answer - NO. Funny how Leo doesn’t share the story of when Brendan Lea, the guy taking over Ralston’s gig at Cheng Hsin, literally went over to Leo’s place when challenged on whether 5-MeO was enlightenment to do it and still said “NO”. State changes, peak experiences, and whatever it is you think and believe it is that’s going on is not enlightenment nor will it ever be. All conditioned states are precisely that - CONDITIONED. Temporary. Transient. They are not the unconditioned Absolute. It’s still the same narcisstic ego and sense of “me” that believes is having all those experiences. But go ahead, deny all those that came before you that will consistently tell you the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Keep thinking you’re special. Enlightenment and the True Nature of Reality is beyond the mind. 

And regarding your projections on me thinking you need to go to some mountain cave is a projection. There’s also a reason retreats and intensives are 8-12 hours per day of sitting. So although I’m not saying one needs to do that, I’m not stupid enough to believe most people are going to be deeply liberated from the bondage of self while picking up chicks or pursuing a 6 figure career. I’ve never seen it. All the many people I’ve been fortunate to meet in this lifetime put in inhuman amounts of work because by and large that seems to be what it takes for most. All you people that think getting high on your couch for 12 hours is just cute. Awakening on the one doesn’t require anything and at the same time, by and large, takes enormous amounts of work. I’m not a Buddhist nor do I subscribe to any dogma. I report what I consistently see again and again and again and again. And there are patterns. 

If actually believe a tool like Andrew Tate is somehow a good man and not a scum bag after all that’s been shown of him god help you. Shows how weak your masculinity is. 

[StarStruck]

22 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@StarStruck 

   What would your advice, and also Andrew Tate's, on this woman's issue:

   And no, I'm not the woman in the video. 🙃

Internet is not real life. People get frustrated and spew their frustration on the internet onto a person. She needs to get a ticker skin if she wants to be popular on the internet. This counts both for women and men. I don’t see a gender issue here.  It is just the toxic environment. 

 

6 hours ago, ThePoint said:

@StarStruck Not disagreeing with you. Just wanted to ask in what way does one leg develop the other leg? I thought survival pursuits and metaphysical/spiritual pursuits were antithetical to each other?

 

The only way I see survival pursuits benefitting metaphysical/spiritual pursuits is the freedom that it can bring, which is a huge benefit, but it is still a rather indirect benefit.

The two legs are part of the same body. So if you train one leg and not the other you will be off balanced. You will be good for nothing with one weak leg and one strong leg. It is better to train your legs in accordance. Otherwise you will end up like some guys here who zonked out their mind with heave chemicals and do nothing else than mental masturbation. 

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, kieranperez said:

Andrew Tate is a con artist that runs an Ponzi scheme, engages in sex trafficking, is a misogynist, and so forth. So don’t give me this sort of apologist schtick as if that’s most people. Yeah, it takes discipline to be a kickboxing champion. So? I wonder what’s with up a person that has them needing to learn that from Andrew Tate when they could learn that from so many other sources. Dude is a scumbag. 

As far as balancing physical survival and spiritual practice… first off not everybody needs to be making 6 figures and doing all this practice. Most people that are busy maintaining survival simply do not have the time to practice the degree to which is probably necessary for most to awaken deeply (and no - psychedelics and peak state experiences are not awakening). For those for whom the monastery is there path (speaking as someone that just came out of monastic residency) it works great for them and it’s not really your business or anybody else’s place to go to them and just think they’re doing it running because they don’t meet your assumptions and standards for how humans should be. There is nothing wrong for those whose life is only sadhana or practice. Those that say they balance both survival and practice (and I mean they ACTUALLY do - they don’t just meditate for an hour and trip on weekends and call that practice) will usually tell you how they need to sacrifice a lot of the potential of their practice as deeply waking up by and large takes a fully concentrated effort and we’re talking much more than just satori (and by that I don’t mean cute psychedelics trips or conflating altered state experiences or whatever nonsense Leo is on now). 

The reality is a lot of people who don’t commit to serious practice when they’re young usually are just making excuses and putting it off and I’m guilty of this myself. We think we’re going to build it at all, make the money and then do our practice but in my experience, out of all the teachers and masters I’ve been so fortunate to meet, it’s almost never that way. 

If you look at all the great spiritual festivals in say India, who are the people you see? Rural masses and yogis that completely their life to realization or people that have one foot in and one foot out? 

 

I try to learn from everybody. Even from the devil. To defeat the devil you need to learn his ways. And everybody has a devilish side. Most of you guys aren’t stage yellow so you can’t see it  

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by StarStruck

[kieranperez]

2 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Because you worship Leo you think everybody is like yourself. 

Lol go back and look at how much I call out Leo’s psychedelic delusions. That’s funny. But because I along with many others point out how Andrew Tate is toxic that makes me a Leo worshiper lol. If you need Tate to learn how to be a man God help you. 

Have fun following a toxic grifter lol 

@KH2 translation: you have no real worthwhile rebuttal you want to call it quits because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I’ll bet good money you don’t meet with teachers, you don’t go on retreats, or anything. It’s just “research” on YouTube university and mental masturbation under the guise of “contemplation”. 

[StarStruck]

@kieranperez I deleted that part of my msg already.  😇

[Danioover9000]

@kieranperez

3 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Lol go back and look at how much I call out Leo’s psychedelic delusions. That’s funny. But because I along with many others point out how Andrew Tate is toxic that makes me a Leo worshiper lol. If you need Tate to learn how to be a man God help you. 

Have fun following a toxic grifter lol 

@KH2 translation: you have no real worthwhile rebuttal you want to call it quits because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I’ll bet good money you don’t meet with teachers, you don’t go on retreats, or anything. It’s just “research” on YouTube university and mental masturbation under the guise of “contemplation”. 

   If some of those guys want to modal Andrew Tate, that's fine. Some people need guys like Andrew Tate to talk them out of a shitty life.

   AFTERWARDS, we can then talk about better men to role modal, but if you are stuck, in a sissy type of rut, then you absolutely need Andrew Tate.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   Nice video, good clips of Andrew Tate, the marketing guru:

 

[Danioover9000]

@KH2

1 minute ago, KH2 said:

Like I've said, need to be right and spiritual ego.

If this is what being a monk for long periods of time brings you, then thanks no thanks.

"I am right and Leo is wrong🤓" notice how I did not claim that buddhism is WRONG, I've just said that you MAY hold it as a dogma. In fact, I'm not arguing for any point in spirituality, cause I understand I don't know anything. You on the other hand, quite arrogantly and vehemently defend your position, because "other teachers that I happen to prefer are right" in this way, you are no different from Leo's followers who take every single one of his word as ultimate Truth

   Come on, bro, at least the guy has a point. You legit made a mistake with the weaseling answer of just saying it's because you're dogmatic a bit and maybe not willing to be open minded to being wrong. What you should have written back to him is something on the lines of him being super attached to Buddhism, therefore is a simp spirit male that's malding, which is why you shaved your entire hair away. He'll be more likely to reciprocate your point if bluntly stated. Buddhist guys and gals really respond well to the bamboo treatment.

[kieranperez]

11 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Like I've said, need to be right and spiritual ego.

If this is what being a monk for long periods of time brings you, then thanks no thanks.

"I am right and Leo is wrong🤓" notice how I did not claim that buddhism is WRONG, I've just said that you MAY hold it as a dogma. In fact, I'm not arguing for any point in spirituality, cause I understand I don't know anything. You on the other hand, quite arrogantly and vehemently defend your position, because "other teachers that I happen to prefer are right" in this way, you are no different from Leo's followers who take every single one of his word as ultimate Truth

I’m not going to pretend I don’t know what I speak about. Psychedelics highs are not enlightenment. That is not an opinion. That is not a need to be right. It’s a fact. And you can go find and look up teachers who’ve done massive dose trips that have also awakened and they’ll tell you the same thing ever time and that’s been valid in “my own path” in so far as that statement makes any sense at all. So I don’t just believe people in what they say. If that’s how you read what I say, cool. That’s fine and you’re free to do what you want but in the end I’m going to call it out. I’m not outright dismissing psychedelics but I’m calling it for what it is and isn’t.

You actually aren’t being some innocent “I don’t know anything” seeker with your projections that I’m suggesting some monastic dogmatism is somehow necessary. I was pointing out the demand for genuine real work for most people as that seems to be how it goes. Thank you come out of nowhere calling “that Buddhist dogma” and making false claims regarding psychedelics and the belief that psychedelics trips somehow awaken people when in fact they don’t. They might open people’s minds to resize there’s more to self and life than meets the eye but that’s not awakening. That is what I was calling out and it isn’t an opinion. It’s not just some preference for some teachers over others. Those that think conditioned experiences are realization of the unconditioned unborn nature of that which is Absolute are wrong. In the same way those that think 1 + 1 = 4 are wrong. Or confuse Mexico and USA on the map. It’s not an opinion.

And if you think spiritual teachers aren't clear and deliberate in calling out people when they’re wrong, again, you don't know what you’re talking about. 

[Danioover9000]

@Danioover9000

24 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Nice video, good clips of Andrew Tate, the marketing guru:

 

    As strange as it is, I actually agree with Andrew Tate's suggestion of having some number system display the number of men/women you slept with. It kind of makes the entire date scene accelerate to stage yellow way of dating. The guy is aware of the number of partners his date has done, and also the woman can see the number of women her date has slept with also. This numbering system implicitly increases the need to acquire sexual experience in the dating market, makes it much more convenient.

   Should this number system of partners you slept with a publicly available feature, or regulated privately in online dating sites or services? I think at first it should be privately regulated, until all of society becomes stage yellow and above that we could consider publicly allowing a technology like a holographic display of partners slept to be applied to the young demographic at first, and then to older demographics.

[Tron]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:13 PM, thepixelmonk said:

lmao looks like we got a bonafide sherlock holmes over here

fake spiritual being ^

[Danioover9000]

@KH2

9 minutes ago, KH2 said:

Now, this belongs to the 10% of things (or maybe/probably less) he's said that I actually DISSAGREE with him on. Together with his takes on islam, etc.

   Why would you disagree? Would you rather date a virgin, or a sexually experienced date? Or is it because you don't want to let your date know how experienced or inexperienced you are?

   BTW, there are parallels to this numbering system, and Leo's conscious politics section, where he suggests removing the human persona, and to highlight their specific policies. There's definitely promise there.

[kieranperez]

@KH2 & @StarStruck I would like to confess and apologize for my righteousness, arrogance, and whatever defensiveness I had in this thread and would like to own that. I'm working on this. I do not retract the statements I made when it comes to what's true and what it was I wanted to convey in terms of my statements regarding the subject matter itself and the factual nature of what I was saying. I would like to apologize for the energy and projection of my own anger and defensiveness. I'm would like to cultivate more skillful ways of communicating in the face of whatever projections people have about what I say when it comes my way and trying to outmatch people in this doesn't seem to work. This is the internet and there inevitable gaps in communication and cues that are understandable but nonetheless I would like to own my own and would appreciate to be met halfway there in truth, humility, and peace. May you be well. 

[Tyler Robinson]

 

All content related to Andrew Tate should be banned on the forum. He is not a good role model. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

@Leo Gura I would request you to look into these threads on Tate and try to restrict the presence of Tate on this forum as much as possible. It's disgusting that his stuff is promoted here. We don't need to know any good side of a person who has been a thug.

You seriously have to ban Tate on the forum the way you did with Connor Murphy. 

Thanks 

 

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Tyler Robinson said:

@Leo Gura I would request you to look into these threads on Tate and try to restrict the presence of Tate on this forum as much as possible. It's disgusting that his stuff is promoted here. We don't need to know any good side of a person who has been a thug.

You seriously have to ban Tate on the forum the way you did with Connor Murphy. 

Thanks

I'm not going to ban Tate here because Tate's opinions and worldview is fair game for discussion. Tate also has plenty of reasonable takes, only some of the stuff he says is toxic.

Tate is not Connor Murphy who was acting like a monster on this forum and towards myself.

You need to learn to tolerate worldviews which are not the same as yours without needing it banned by some daddy figure.

I've already said that I consider Tate's views of women to be toxic and not a good role model for men, and he's also a grifter. But in general you guys need to learn how to separate the signal from the noise when listening to various worldviews.

We don't have that much Tate content on this forum anyways. Mostly people just discuss their opinions on Tate, which is  good use of free speech. Tate's views easily discredit themselves. Most people here understand the toxic aspects of what he says.

You should also be open to the possibility that Tate's advice has helped some people. It's not all bad. If someone comes here and says that Tate's content helped him, that's fair. Who are you to say he's wrong? Maybe Tate has some positive impact? You should be open to that possibility.

Edited October 15, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Tyler Robinson]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I'm not going to ban discussions of Tate because Tate's opinions and worldview is fair game for discussion.

Tate is not Connor Murphy who was acting like a monster on this forum and towards myself.

You need to learn to tolerate worldviews which are not the same as yours without needing it banned.

Kinda sad. But fair enough Leo. Up to you. 

 

[Tyler Robinson]

Let it eat at his conscience. Who cares. This Tate guy has thuggish opinions on women. It hurts really bad. He is a stain on Masculinity. Leo will regret it. 

I let my opinion be out there.Not like I didn't warn and didn't complain. I absolved myself of any blame or responsibility. I blew the whistle. I did my part. This is the last I will speak of Tate. 

I'm a Roman. I am a free bird. I don't care if someone calls me low IQ. I mean what I say. I say what I mean. I say what I feel. 

When I feel something about people, I'm mostly proven right. Deep in my heart, I know this Andrew Tate guy is very corrupt and not a good messenger. He is extremely manipulative and I can see through his shit. My Psychic brain (which I'm hugely endowed with since birth) can see the harm this Andrew Tate guy is currently doing to very impressionable guys who I can see walking the wrong path after watching this guy's views. Also this Andrew Tate guy has a skillful masterful way of hiding his inner grift under the rug by appearing to be some torch bearer to men who feel emasculated. Heck no. He is a piece of shit. An immature insecure un-masculine guy who is trying to take advantage of the insecurities that are plaguing men and preying on it to build his empire. He has no mission except money. He is a scoundrel. People can't see through him. He is a danger to men more than he is a danger to women. I am not running my mouth dirty for no good reason. I see through that guy. He is corrupting people right left center. His Masculinity is not true. I can smell the rat behind his agenda. He has an innocent looking face but his agenda is not innocent by any means. Say what you will.. 

Mark my words. This Andrew guy will keep doing things that will embarrass him even more. 

One day you'll all regret ever talking about this dude. 

Don't tell I didn't warn. 

I'm a free bird, I said my part. 

Goodbye and fucking myself off from this thread. 

Imma going to take a nap. 

 

Edited October 15, 2022 by Tyler Robinson