What is a woman

[Yidaki]

1 hour ago, DrugsBunny said:

@Yidaki Your questions have been sufficiently answered, but I suppose the egoic devastation of acknowledging the flaws of your perspective would be unflattering to accept. 

OK

Edited August 18, 2022 by Yidaki

[axiom]

2 hours ago, DrugsBunny said:

@Yidaki Your questions have been sufficiently answered, but I suppose the egoic devastation of acknowledging the flaws of your perspective would be unflattering to accept. 

Have you considered starting a paramilitary social movement? 

Edited August 18, 2022 by axiom

[Raptorsin7]

@axiom He's already started one. There just isn't an opportunity for violence yet.

"If you do not accept my trans-ideological world view then you are a threat to trans people everywhere. Now i'm  justified in committing violence against you because your beliefs and world view are harmful to trans people everywhere!"

Edited August 18, 2022 by Raptorsin7

[Danioover9000]

   So, are we anywhere near answer the question of what's a real woman?

[Yidaki]

37 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   So, are we anywhere near answer the question of what's a real woman?

LOL
I actually like the standard definition "adult human female", which is of course limited and debatable, just like any definition, but at least does not appeal to vague notions or circular definitions of , for example, "whoever that feels like a woman".

HOWEVER, more important than defining it, my concern is the possibility of swinging the pendulum too much in the other direction, and in the name of compassion and not being tyrannical and respecting minorities' rights, we end up being tyrannical towards S.D. Stage Blue/Orange people  (more than 50% of global population) that are just beginning to wrap their minds around these matters.

[DrugsBunny]

4 hours ago, Raptorsin7 said:

@axiom He's already started one. There just isn't an opportunity for violence yet.

"If you do not accept my trans-ideological world view then you are a threat to trans people everywhere. Now i'm  justified in committing violence against you because your beliefs and world view are harmful to trans people everywhere!"

You really needed the benefit of additional editing and afterthought to complete this juvenile quip attempt? The transphobe community isn't sending their brightest. It's interesting you have chosen to contrive an unfounded narrative of my presupposed violent intent when there is nothing in my post history that would indicate that. 

It's as if Actualized hired a court jester for much needed comedic relief but got a bit more than it bargained for.

Keep rolling out these absolute bangers haha, your posts are gold. My personal favorite is the one where you equated homosexuality with rape and murder.

[Raptorsin7]

@DrugsBunny My posts are gold. Thank you.

Maybe in the next 15 years you can overcome your compulsions and finish a meditation retreat, then you can appreciate them.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2022 by Raptorsin7

[AtheisticNonduality]

Both definitions are self-containing and internally consistent. Both have uses. Drugs's position is more in line with compassionate freedom and development-driven ideals, whereas the other is the traditionally pre-established set of meanings that most people have been raised with. Society is moving from the latter to the former, which of course is going to cause strife and semantic issues, but "both have uses": one is about exulting the individual, allowing mental and bodily freedom, exploring an unrestrained human spirit/imagination/identity/soul / removal of socially constructed fetters, the other is about what meanings have already been laced into the mind and body since the beginnings of conditioning, the facts of practicality applied to how these terms are strictly defined, the status of holding together society with these normal limits based on essential biology.

So both sides are right.

But also both sides are wrong. Namely I think the "conservative" position of "all of it is gender dysphoria and a perverted and debilitating mental illness which frays the fabric of society and confuses children" and the "progressive" position of "all of it is reducible to society and fools infringing on the rights of humans that have a misalignment between their brain and outside body" are both flawed. I don't think freedom when it comes to the mind and body is an illness, and yet I don't believe "a woman's brain and a male's body" is verifiable/empirical at all.

You can deal with this information now however you want. For now . . . I won't inundate you with my personal viewpoint.

[Yidaki]

@AtheisticNonduality

Thank you for the nuanced approach you just shared

[Roy]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

   So, are we anywhere near answer the question of what's a real woman?

Someone who can give birth, everything else is an approximation. Though we ought to refer to people as what label they prefer out of respect.

I can't think of a more accurate, reductionist meaning that is logically consistent and excludes all the baggage of culture and gender.

[Gesundheit2]

It might help to ask the question in reverse: What is not a woman? Clearly, a chair is not a woman, a child is not a woman, a man is not a woman.

Is a transgender a woman? Well, not exactly no, and not exactly yes. So, kind of but not really. That's why they have a unique label, that is transgender.

[Danioover9000]

   I will take the bait and make an assertion in this trap. I think you are a woman, if you have nice curvy butt and chest, and be emotionally mature and healthy, can handle children tantrums and be compassionate, and passionate, like passion fruit, live a passionate life through the passages of time. This is my take, and if you are and have many differences, it won't bother me, nor will I externalize this take and push my take into your face. Just know, this is my internal, deeper framing of what a woman is.

@Gesundheit2

44 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

It might help to ask the question in reverse: What is not a woman? Clearly, a chair is not a woman, a child is not a woman, a man is not a woman.

Is a transgender a woman? Well, not exactly no, and not exactly yes. So, kind of but not really. That's why they have a unique label, that is transgender.

   That's what I've been harping on in this thread, what is a man? What are children? What are the elderly? Or what is a human being? You all are way too focused on women. Try to think outside the box.

What is a grass hopper? A grass that hops over the picket fence, because the grass is greener on the other side.

[Gesundheit2]

31 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   That's what I've been harping on in this thread, what is a man? What are children? What are the elderly? Or what is a human being? You all are way too focused on women. Try to think outside the box.

It seems that when you say think outside the box, you just mean adopt the postmodernist philosophy and do away with all identities/distinctions because the web is so complex and intricated to understand or unravel because of the problem of self-reference and circularity.

31 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

What is a grass hopper? A grass that hops over the picket fence, because the grass is greener on the other side.

Now you're just abusing the philosophy unnecessarily ?

[Yidaki]

This matters are not only on the realm of philosophy and just searching for definitions. They are intertwined with emotions and survival. That is why if I open a thread called What is a chair?, maybe it wouldn't have so much participation (maybe I should try)...

 

[Razard86]

On 8/17/2022 at 5:30 PM, Raptorsin7 said:

@Razard86 What did you learn

They opened my mind to something being off because I couldn't understand at the time how someone could believe they were in the wrong body. My only logical explanation at the time was that reincarnation had to be real for it to make sense. That maybe that person was too attached to a previous life and couldn't adjust to the body of their current life. This led me to looking into the nature of reality and suspending my prior belief structures. Without them I would not have discovered spirituality and still believed in a physical reality.

[Ry4n]

Notice that even in its most abstract sense, Gender still operates within the polarities of Male and Female energies as a spectrum, and thus it would be silly to label any difference along that spectrum as a new gender; it's just personality types and sexuality types, which are unique on their own, but are not a new gender. And much of what constitutes gender in its most abstract sense or even in a spiritual sense are still greatly influenced by biological factors that cannot be argued with. Any "third" option or multiple options are still occurring within the spectrum that is founded in duality. You actually cannot escape that fact, you cannot point to me a truly non binary person that exists anywhere in the world who isn't suspect to being stuck somewhere energetically on the spectrum of Male and Female energies and thus it doesn't exist. My argument is very logical if you take the emotion out of it. 

A woman is an adult human female with certain biological reasons that make it so, that influence behaviour which in a wider communal sense influence culture, but never can you seperate biology, psychology and culture because they're all interconnected. 

[Leo Gura]

On 8/19/2022 at 6:54 AM, Yidaki said:

if I open a thread called What is a chair?, maybe it wouldn't have so much participation

Only cause people are dumb

[Arthogaan]

On 19.08.2022 at 3:54 PM, Yidaki said:

That is why if I open a thread called What is a chair?, maybe it wouldn't have so much participation (maybe I should try)...

But the answer to that question would actually provide the answer to the woman question - check out this great video on how weird language is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXW-QjBsruE&ab_channel=Vsauce

 

[Danioover9000]

@Arthogaan

59 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

But the answer to that question would actually provide the answer to the woman question - check out this great video on how weird language is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXW-QjBsruE&ab_channel=Vsauce

 

   Is this actually a popular question?

[Ry4n]

I mean what gives me the right to say what a chair is, I’m not a chair. Only a chair can decide what a chair is. Checkmate bigots.