Posted February 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, Nadosa said: Lol ready to close here. Yes just a few more posts until one of the narcissists decide to lock it as per usual, then go jerk themselves off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Kksd74628 @Gesundheit2 Okay. I will find a more harmonious way to show Nahm is a charlatan and causes harm to his followers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 Nahm was talking in the "normal human way" when it was required. To me it felt like he usually talked in a subtle way, but yeah, it probably was not helpful to newbies who are not aware that all of this, including Nahm, already is imagination, already is consciousness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Hello. I only visisted this site to check Nahms profile and view the threads he was replying to. I didnt always understand him, but whenever he wasnt speaking too "Neo-Ablabla", i always understood him, and his answers always resonated and were most helpful. I also spoke with him a few times on zoom, where he was very loving and brilliant (sometimes hard to understand) and he never cared how much time we used. It was a bit wierd the way he continued to reply in the threads the same way at times, but it was never as deeply harmful as other things ive read on this forum, and he was the only one stepping up when people were given damaging advice of people like Leo whos answers i almost couldn't bear to see. Such a horrible transformation Leo has taken compared to the passionate, happy guy from 5 years ago or more. Anyways thats my view. Nahm was the only reason to be here, even when not making any sense. Im out. And one thing, @Raptorsin7 Take some responsibility for yourself and quit whining. He was trying to HELP YOU even though it is very obvious from reading where you are coming from that that is a very, very hard task. Just because you paid thousands of dollars for something does not guarantee anything. Just because you do math with a teacher 1 time a week for a year will not turn you into Einstein. We are talking about happiness and creating a good life, how THE F do you expect someone to change that for you during a session once a week. GO out and create a life for yourself you poor guy.. Stop blaming and take responsibility. Love to Nahm and good luck with this site lol Edited February 23, 2022 by Peelingthelayers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Peelingthelayers said: Just because you paid thousands of dollars for something does not guarantee anything Accept thousands of dollars is guarantee of something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7 @Breakingthewall you are both speaking with the voice of ignorance currently... Please do not take anything I say as an insult. I have 17 warning points and I'd like to stay on this forum. You are Love. 1 year meditation, 1 hour daily https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/76489-1-year-meditation-1h-daily-start-at-100122/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7 Remember that @Leo Gura can watch your personal messages and if you continue this thing there you are just getting straight up banned. @Trickyp First of all no one needs beating, but just calmly pointing out thing "once or twice". And also watch your mouth, because as I have tried to say earlier - this place is not for hurting others - but to learn to live beautiful life. I could have reported you aswell, but preferably just notice that nicer communication is possible and point of this whole forum is happiness and spirituality. Who told you that "others" are real? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7@TrickypLearn from him?? He is a butthurt child blaming that HE HIMSELF showed up week after week and didnt feel like he got something out of it. I have a little story. I do martial arts, and sometimes people join a do it for only a year and end up quitting, because they just dont get it and progress way slower than other people. @Raptorsin7Did you ever consider you might be in that category? Go do something else with your time and money if you dont get whatever it is you want and dont blame other people for it. WAKE UP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Kksd74628 I am trying to show the people on the forum the harm Nahm has caused. You can read the thread I post a few posts ago, I was stuck in the same thought loops and perspective as many of them. I ended up suicidal after working with him, I think he is genuinely dangerous. I understand that I also played a role in my time with Nahm ending in disaster. I was irresponsible, arrogant, abused psychidelics, and many more toxic things and that played a role in the coaching not working, but I have never seen Nahm take responsibility for his role in how things turned out. There are consequences to behavior, and even though Nahm may have genuinely believed he was being helpful and did not do anything wrong, when you observe the reality of what is happening I think there is a malicious pattern forming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Peelingthelayers said: Hello. I only visisted this site to check Nahms profile and view the threads he was replying to. I didnt always understand him, but whenever he wasnt speaking too "Neo-Ablabla", i always understood him, and his answers always resonated and were most helpful. I also spoke with him a few times on zoom, where he was very loving and brilliant (sometimes hard to understand) and he never cared how much time we used. It was a bit wierd the way he continued to reply in the threads the same way at times, but it was never as deeply harmful as other things ive read on this forum, and he was the only one stepping up when people were given damaging advice of people like Leo whos answers i almost couldn't bear to see. Such a horrible transformation Leo has taken compared to the passionate, happy guy from 5 years ago or more. Anyways thats my view. Nahm was the only reason to be here, even when not making any sense. Im out. And one thing, @Raptorsin7 Take some responsibility for yourself and quit whining. He was trying to HELP YOU even though it is very obvious from reading where you are coming from that that is a very, very hard task. Just because you paid thousands of dollars for something does not guarantee anything. Just because you do math with a teacher 1 time a week for a year will not turn you into Einstein. We are talking about happiness and creating a good life, how THE F do you expect someone to change that for you during a session once a week. GO out and create a life for yourself you poor guy.. Stop blaming and take responsibility. Love to Nahm and good luck with this site lol I acknowledge the role I played in my relationship with Nahm on the forum. I did many things wrong, and in hindsight I would have changed so much about how I interacted with him. I have since completely changed my approach with teachers, and if I sense i'm not getting benefit I will leave quickly, and i'm working on being less of a people pleaser. My issue with Nahm is his approach is harmful. People should not teach until they themselves are living in harmony and can offer quality advice, because when they teach prematurely there will be a trail of harm left. I believe I was harmed by Nahm, and although I am also responsible for what I did to myself, we both we part of the situation. Imagine if a surgery goes wrong on an obese person. Yes, the obese person is likely to blame for many things, maybe they could have been healthier, maybe their fatness played a role in the surgery not working, but you must also look at the conduct of the surgeon. Both parties are responsible. And it's a misnomer to think that teaching can't be effective once a week. It's about the quality of the guidance. If you find quality teachers, which is hard I think it took me many years of seeking before I developed my discernment to where I believe I can sense good teachers, then you will make progress. You don't have to question yourself or be gaslit into believing your making progress, because it will be known energetically and in your behavior and conduct in the world Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7 You're frustrated and upset about Nahm for almost a day now, enough now. This is no longer constructive criticism. You had several opportunities to point out your problem, you did. What you're doing now is just calling Nahm a charlatan, we get it. You're allowed to be upset, but stop making dozens of the same posts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, Tim R said: @Raptorsin7 You're frustrated and upset about Nahm for almost a day now, enough now. This is no longer constructive criticism. You had several opportunities to point out your problem, you did. What you're doing now is just calling Nahm a charlatan, we get it. You're allowed to be upset, but stop making dozens of the same posts. I am frustrated that there are people on the forum with the same mind virus that I had when I was working with Nahm, and I ended up suicidal and almost killed myself. As long as there are people who genuinely believe Nahm is a saint then I think it's an issue of misperception that no one seems willing or able to address Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7 But look, there are people who were genuinely helped by Nahm. You can't just say "Nahm is a charlatan, period" only because it didn't work out for you. You know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) @Raptorsin7 Thing is that you don't need to show anything anymore. Your opinion has been heard and anything more is just spreading hatred. There are consequences in everything you do and spirituality has its dangers. Many teachings are dangerous if used wrongly. We just can't warn you again and again not hurting yourself. As I have said in another communication before - If I teach you to drive a car and you end up hurting yourself, because you weren't caution enough - that's not my fault, but yours. Edited February 23, 2022 by Kksd74628 Who told you that "others" are real? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, Tim R said: @Raptorsin7 But look, there are people who were genuinely helped by Nahm. You can't just say "Nahm is a charlatan, period" only because it didn't work out for you. You know? I can, and I believe the people who were "genuinely" helped are deluded, and even if some people were helped by him to whatever degree it doesn't change the fact that Nahm is doing genuine harm. A serial killer can be helpful at work, but we wouldn't say that some people were genuinely helped by him so he could avoid scrutiny. If you would have asked me a few years ago did Nahm genuinely help me I would have said hell yes and screamed it from the roof tops. After that phase I was suicidal. So ideally we can skip all of this and get to the truth about his presence and impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 @Raptorsin7 i was looking in the messages but I can't find it. How much money exactly did you give him? in how much time? how were the payments? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said: I am frustrated that there are people on the forum with the same mind virus that I had when I was working with Nahm, and I ended up suicidal and almost killed myself. This is of course a very serious issue and you need to a dress it as such, but not by calling him a charlatan. Do it in a most contsructive, understanding and helpful way possible. And try to take your own biases into account, I know you're frustrated because of all the money, I understand that. But you mustn't allow this to blind you. I think it would also be much better for you personally, it might help you work through these issues, frustrations and resentments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said: @Raptorsin7 Thing is that you don't need to show anything anymore. Your opinion has been heard and anything more is just spreading hatred. There are consequences in everything you do and spirituality has its dangers. Many teachings are dangerous if used wrongly. We just can't warn you again and again not hurting yourself. As I have said in another communication before - If I teach you to drive a car and you end up hurting yourself, because you weren't caution enough - that's not my fault, but yours. I think it would be your fault if you gave poor instructions about how to drive a car. In that analogy, Nahm represented himself as an authority on driving and cars, and then when I got in a car accident he shifted blame and said it's my fault for not knowing how to drive and not listening to his advice @Breakingthewall I don't remember the exact number but I believe it was anywhere from 5-10k over the course of about 8 total months of conversations Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said: don't remember the exact number but I believe it was anywhere from 5-10k over the course of about 8 total months of conversations Did he charge per hour, or was it the price of a full course? it is a very serious amount Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
