why leo so negative about his viewers

[Surfingthewave]

@TheSomeBody Don't blindly follow. 

He's giving you a no bs approach. 

See the work for what it is, forget the teacher. 

You've raised an important point about hero/non hero worship. 

Consciousness, beauty, love, realness is the work. Has nothing to do with how it is delivered. 

Forget the style and look at the substance. 

Here's a tip. He doesn't know any more than you, you just haven't seen it yet. What has been provided is a modern way of reaching people. A way of pointing (and screaming) at the path. Follow it. Or don't. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Surfingthewave

[WaveInTheOcean]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I find Jed's humor and style annoying and cringey.

Book list may get a small update at some point. I don't read much these days.

An update where you maybe remove the books you in hindsight found silly would be neat. Getting it sorted/cleaned:-)

[Plabs]

@TheSomeBody

I haven’t read everything in this thread, just coming to share what I feel about this.

Remember that all that’s coming is just my projection from what I can see and understand from my reality. 

Sometimes I feel like Leo isn’t fulfilled on a deep level and that a lot of this consciousness work is done in a way that’s an escape from physical life (escaping the body, escaping the people, escaping the physical limitations, etc).

What makes me think that is the following : I was surprised to see along the years that Leo’s spiritual work hasn’t made him lighter, funnier and more radiant.

Contrarily, I feel like he has gotten more and more serious, and bitter.

From a more new age perspective, I feel like his vibration and vital energy has decreased rather than increased.

To me, the more you grow spiritually, the more healthy, happy and radiant you should look. Otherwise, it is mostly bypassing and escaping life.

To be honest, it has made me watch the videos less. I’ve been drawn to other teachings which help me feel more connected, more grateful, more present and less in my head trying to understand everything very seriously.

Recently, I learned about Leo’s health issues and that confirmed this feeling I had. It feels like he is in deep suffering inside.

The problem is that everything in his worldview seems to be about working, achieving and being productive, and never about living, having fun, enjoying the human experience, being in the body and in the moment.

Honestly, I feel like Leo’s true awakening (and healing) will happen when he’ll let go of everything : his business, his purpose, his goals, his content, so that he can start to live his life without so much weight on his shoulders.

Personally, the life purpose course has helped me a lot to reach my goals and change my life in the past years, but it hasn’t helped my to reach deep level of fulfilment.

And I think that’s the problem.

Having purpose and meaning is necessary, but making it 100% of your life doesn’t feel natural and is tremendously stressful.

It’s like living life with the feeling of being late all the time, never being good enough the way you are and always needing to do more.

It’s like the biggest scarcity belief ever created. Never BEING enough. Always needing to DO more to be happy.

I’ve been dealing with similar stuff that he has on a physical level so I kind of understand what he is going through.

However I think that trying to heal himself through diet is not going to do it. Honestly, chronic issues like these almost always stem from deep emotional blockages and traumas.

Personally, my own healing has come from finally having a deep desire to live (and not to escape) and finally feel enough however I “perform” in life.

That’s the only real way to increase your life energy. Always working and thinking is doing the opposite, draining all your life energy away.

Again, these are all my projections. I think I needed to share that as I’ve being going into my own process.

Seeing Leo’s struggle was impactful as well and I’d love to see him more radiant. On a higher vibration. Maybe a bit more new agey  

Hope this sharing will bring some interesting inner openings! 

[kinesin]

@Plabs  When I see Leo's struggles, his haters who call him a cult leader, the sycophantic followers who treat him like one despite him telling them not to... one thought comes to my mind every time - thank fuck I never went down the path of turning my own spiritual development into a brand.

[Plabs]

@kinesin Hahaha right 

And receiving everyone’s projections and propositions about how you should be and act (like I did today!)

 

[kinesin]

@Plabs  This is why spiritual seekers need to disconnect themselves from worldly things.  When a person makes their views publicly known and develops a 'position' or a 'system', they're effectively turning their ego into a solid object which then becomes nearly impossible to change.

For me personally, part of my spiritual journey involved a period of around 8 months where I came to believe that thinking about spiritual matters was a delusional pursuit.  Being a regular individual without any public reputation for being 'the spiritual guy' or anything like that, I experienced no resistance whatsoever to exploring that view for 8 months, and then eventually I rediscovered and reintegrated a much more nuanced and profound sense of spirituality.  If I'd been the owner of a spirituality youtube channel with 1 million subscribers expecting at least a video a week, could I have done that?  No way.  If I'd put out systematic approaches to certain aspects of perception and reality, would I have the freedom to completely let go of them and explore the opposite view for a while?  No way.  Imo for Leo's own sake, I believe he'll have to sell Actualized at some point so that he can continue his own personal development without being trapped by expectations of consistency.

[Shin]

Because otherwise people will worship it like a saint.

It's a failsafe, he must be a dick for your sake !

Edited May 16, 2021 by Shin

[lain]

I've read like a third of the thread 

I think I know what people mean with Leo being a jerk or negative. A funny thing is, some people that are totally uninterested in spirituality and who are basically totally in materialist worldviews, also didn't like Leo from the first videos. (Yes I showed his videos to friends of mine sometimes)

Not because of the message (they mostly got something from the videos), but because of his personality. I think even the materialists have an intuition for negative personalities. I personally understand Leo as a quite negative person that somehow got on a very positive path. I also see that he got much better, his personality improved alot compared to his first videos. His smile is often much more loving and authentic, his interested and care shines through more. I also wanna mention that we should not critize him for his personality. He is totally fine as he is. It's okay and kinda important to understand WHO is saying what is being said, but at the end, the message is more important. I totally understand if someone is unable to resonate with him and these people would do much better finding another teacher. Everybody has a different capacity to accept, overlook negative aspects of others. No need to force something that won't work. 

So at the end: No one's perfect and we should focus on the inspiring input rather than his personality. For everyone who can't resonate with him: Also fine! Just look for another teacher/inspiration. 

[aaalex]

Still waiting for people who replied in this thread to realize that opinions about Leo is just projections based on your own personal experience and navigiation, in this so called "life".  

[Danioover9000]

@Lyubov

On 5/4/2021 at 7:51 AM, Lyubov said:

cause he comes from gamer culture when it comes to the internet 

   That could be the case lol!

[Salvijus]

On 5/16/2021 at 3:24 AM, kinesin said:

When a person makes their views publicly known and develops a 'position' or a 'system', they're effectively turning their ego into a solid object which then becomes nearly impossible to change.

+1. Can relate to this. Once you make a statement for or against something publicly, the pain of admitting you were wrong is 100x. Depends on how public your statements are. So usually unconscious mind does everything in its power to twist and turn the logic to defend its position and not to go through the pain of admitting you were wrong. Only a very very conscious person would have the power to do that. That implies lots of consciousness work which Leo still lacks. 

@Plabs

On 5/16/2021 at 2:46 AM, Plabs said:

However I think that trying to heal himself through diet is not going to do it. Honestly, chronic issues like these almost always stem from deep emotional blockages and traumas.

I think the same. And I experienced myself what anger does to my health. Generating anger 10 times a day for years like Leo will have its consiquences for health. It's inevitable.

[Rigel]

On 2021-05-05 at 7:40 PM, Leo Gura said:

That's how style is. You can't please everyone. Spicy things are polarizing, making some people hate it and others love it. I'm a somewhat polarizing guy. I don't want to make milquetoast content that makes your grandma pleased. My content has added drama and flair to make it interesting. And I enjoy being provocative.

Leo is the free jazz of the spiritual market!