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The Baffling Popularity of Dan Crenshaw

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Excellent point by point rebuttal of the incoherent reasons Crenshaw gives against the Stimulus Checks, or more broadly why government supposedly doesn't have any obligation to make the lives of its citizens any better.

Yes, silly us for thinking that one of the government's basic duties is to prevent its citizens from undergoing needless suffering.

Much better to have the Social Darwinist system that Conservatives like Crenshaw pine for where the strong feed on the weak, and where we pay our representatives six figure salaries to do literally nothing that would make a difference in the lives of %95 of the country.

While I'm beyond being surprised that people with this philosophy keep getting elected in America, I am somewhat baffled as to why Crenshaw in particular is popular in some circles. Granted the guy isn't a 70 year old mummy and can at least speak in coherent sentences, but I'm not hearing anything that would sound out of place if it came from the mouths of dinosaurs like Mitch McConnell or Ted Cruz.

Or maybe it's the fact in addition to sounding like a James Bond villain when he promotes his austerity ideology, he looks the part as well because of the eye patch?

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To even take him seriously enough to rebut his logic is already too much of a concession.

Such members of congress are simply gifters and morons. Like Matt Gaetz. Nothing they say should be taken seriously. Such people have no intellectual integrity, so trying to reason with them is like wrestling with a pig.


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I realize the standard set for guests that can go on the JRE was always pretty low but damn... seems like Joe will let anyone on now for whatever reason

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40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To even take him seriously enough to rebut his logic is already too much of a concession.

Such members of congress are simply gifters and morons. Like Matt Gaetz. Nothing they say should be taken seriously. Such people have no intellectual integrity, so trying to reason with them is like wrestling with a pig.

I wonder why the Bret Weinstein, who is a stage Yellow intellectual, wanted him to be on the unity 2020 ticket with Tulsi Gabbard to either be the next VPOTUS or POTUS.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

To even take him seriously enough to rebut his logic is already too much of a concession.

Isn’t it better to actually engage with the arguments, otherwise you’re ceding ground. I feel like some on the left shun engagingly with the points which often makes them look like they “can’t handle the facts and logic” or some shit.  That’s why people like Vaush etc are effective at de-converting right wing gamer bros 

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1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

I wonder why the Bret Weinstein, who is a stage Yellow intellectual, wanted him to be on the unity 2020 ticket with Tulsi Gabbard to either be the next VPOTUS or POTUS.

Tulsi Gabbard -- Lol

Bret Weinstein is smart in some ways, and silly in others. This is one example of his silliness.

Tusli is not a good progressive candidate. She's regressive and conservative in many ways.

25 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

Isn’t it better to actually engage with the arguments, otherwise you’re ceding ground. I feel like some on the left shun engagingly with the points which often makes them look like they “can’t handle the facts and logic” or some shit.  That’s why people like Vaush etc are effective at de-converting right wing gamer bros 

Is Vaush's debate-lording really that effective? I think he mostly preaches to the choir.

How many Nazi's does Vaush need to debate to prove that Nazism and white nationalism is a dumb idea? And how many of those debates do you need to hear in order to settle this case?

You can engage of course, but also at some point the constant engagement of people with no intellectual integrity or interest in governing is just like arguing with a donkey. It becomes a waste of time. No one should be listening to Dan Crenshaw about how to govern. If you want to have a serious discussion on governing, let's have it. But let's not pretend these Fox News puppets care anything about that.

A precondition for any serious political discussion must be 1) Intellectual integrity, 2) genuine interest in governing, and 3) historical literacy and honesty. Without these 3 things the discussion is a waste of time.


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18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Tulsi Gabbard -- Lol

Bret Weinstein is smart in some ways, and silly in others. This is one example of his silliness.

Tusli is not a good progressive candidate. She's regressive and conservative in many ways.

@Leo Gura but Leo!! TulsI Gabbard is one of the more concouis politicians we currently have! I would take Tulsi over any other candidate Dems have. Am I wrong? Who else is there?

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26 minutes ago, ChickenFeathers said:

 

@Leo Gura but Leo!! TulsI Gabbard is one of the more concouis politicians we currently have!

I challenge this commonly-held and unquestioned position.

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I would take Tulsi over any other candidate Dems have. Am I wrong? Who else is there?

I think there are many Dems superior to her.

I see her as a bit of a fake progressive. She has pretty deep conservative roots. She frequently sides with the right on certain issues. I don't think she has a deep grasp of things.

I know folks like Jimmy Dore adore her (excuse the pun), but I think Jimmy Dore has lost the plot to the point of hurting the Democratic cause. It's like Dore has gone full-circle into Tucker Carlson. He's way too unreasonable and angry.

In a sense, I think Biden is perfect right now. He's the most pragmatic and realistic of the bunch. A rabid progressive would not get much more done than Biden I think. Biden's moderate image is working very well for him. I think people underestimate Biden. He's all too easy to dismiss and mock, yet Biden can accomplish a lot of basic, practical stuff -- as he's currently on track to do. It won't be anything crazy socialist. But it will still be much welcomed. Biden can be trusted to do solid liberal governance. It's not flashy, but it works and it's badly needed and it lays the foundation for future progressive causes.


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Is Vaush's debate-lording really that effective? I think he mostly preaches to the choir.

How many Nazi's does Vaush need to debate to prove that Nazism and white nationalism is a dumb idea? And how many of those debates do you need to hear in order to settle this case?

I like Vaush, but dumpster fire debates with Right Wingers for an audience that completely agrees with him is by far the least interesting content on his channel. I think Vaush is at his most engaging when he's pushing back against the online Left when they're being unreasonable, or offering a more nuanced take on a handful of socio-political topics (particularly when other online Leftists have been somewhat dismissive of said topics: his recent discussion about young men having difficulty forming social bonds and attracting sexual partners comes to mind).

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@DocWatts Vaush has a good head on his shoulders.

The only thing I would wish is for him is to drop his communist identity. He doesn't need it and it's going to get him stuck.

Vaush would be even greater minus the communist ideology. We need Vaush at stage Yellow.


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I think Vaush has def kinda adopted some yellow over the past year, but it will be hard for him to fully transition since he built his entire career around green ideology essentially and that is the stage of his base and all of his circle... Solid Yellow vaush would def be a beauty tho

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40 minutes ago, louhad said:

I think Vaush has def kinda adopted some yellow over the past year, but it will be hard for him to fully transition since he built his entire career around green ideology essentially and that is the stage of his base and all of his circle... 

That’s a reason I tip my hat to someone like Conner Murphy. He built a YT personality and massive following, then suddenly let go of his 90% of his base and ideology. That’s not easy to do. 

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Two things;

1. I don't know very much about the guy and his politics, I've only seen a few interviews. But the amount of people, (and let's be honest it's mostly Liberals) making fun of Dan Crenshaw for having one eye is sickening. For a group that is generally supposed to be tolerant of minorities (which includes disabled people) to throw around something like that as a joke is so low and puts a bad light on them. It's one thing if he had a funny nose or something that wasn't so life changing. Of course this pettiness goes in all directions, there are polarized idiots everywhere who say disgusting things so I'm not just picking on Lefties.

It's also disrespectful as hell to a fellow citizen who got the injury serving in the army to protect the very people making fun of him, of course those wars are obviously bullshit and it's a Conservative delusion that we need protection by invading weak countries, but it because he got the injury with the belief he was doing something noble and that matters. It's not like it was an accident renovating his house or whatever.

2. Vaush ain't even close to Yellow, it's not even on the horizon. He is probably only a little more than halfway to Green to be honest. Just because he espouses a bunch of progressive positions it doesn't mean he's actually integrated any of them in his life. Talk is cheap, action and leading by example are what matters ultimately.

- He is still hopelessly and completely mired in the confrontation/debate bullshit on YouTube. There is no end in sight for this for the near future. I don't see him radically evolving his content. It's simply too profitable and too ingrained in his identity.

- You can tell the intent is there for open mindedness, but it's way overshadowed by how much a blatant ideologue he is. This is obvious any time he has his childish outbursts, gets triggered VERY quickly, and his lubricous demonization of all Conservatives as evil incarnate.

- He is a hypocrite and his life choices contradicts the things he advocates for, which matters when we are talking Spiral Dynamics. If he REALLY cared about those things he wouldn't be so conveniently participating and benefitting from the Capitalist system he's in, he would organize and promote new systems, donate more of his money, start a non-profit etc. Also would adopt a meatless diet and so on.

- Also he's still just a child with all the memes, name calling, and general immaturity. A part of this is marketing so I get it but yea. It is what it is. I don't need to explain why this isn't the sign of a highly developed individual.

I like the guy, but he's got a lot of ground to cover. Especially if he wants to be effective in his progressivism.

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@Roy Just because Dan Crenshaw served in the military doesn't make him a saint (or even a good person); fact is that he was happy to support Trump while he lied about the election being stolen, and to my knowledge didn't publicly criticize or break ties with Trump for facilitating the Jan. 6th Insurrection attempt. 

People who adopt a toxic life purpose probably do think that they're doing the right thing; but that doesn't mean they should be owed an elevated level of respect.

If he was actually the Patriot he claims to be he wouldn't be enthusiastically supporting Republican efforts to undermine Democracy at every available opportunity. The district he comes from is one of the gerrymandered in the entire country (look up a map sometime, it's pretty staggering).

The fact that he was wounded while serving in the military doesn't give him a free pass for a political career built around actively making the country a worse place to live, nor for his support of Republican Voter Suppression efforts.

Not shitting on the military, as no doubt a great many Service Members join for idealistic and selfless reasons, but at the same time you can be wounded from military service while also being a toxic asshole.

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@Roy

1) Dan Crenshaw's eye is the least funny thing about him. No need to stoop to such lows when we got the stupidity of his ideology to work with.

2) Keep in mind Vaush is still in his late 20's. He's basically a big teen. He will mature a lot over the next 10-20 years. Considering his age he's doing pretty well. When I was his age I was so immature and dumb. Age matters A LOT.


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19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

2) Keep in mind Vaush is still in his late 20's. He's basically a big teen. He will mature a lot over the next 10-20 years. Considering his age he's doing pretty well. When I was his age I was so immature and dumb. Age matters A LOT.

I've been thinking how lucky I am since I found Actualized.org when I was something like 17 or 18. Now, quite solid Tier 2 at 22 years. I wonder what will happen in the next 40.

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Posted (edited)

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Tulsi Gabbard -- Lol

Bret Weinstein is smart in some ways, and silly in others. This is one example of his silliness.

Tusli is not a good progressive candidate. She's regressive and conservative in many ways.

Is Vaush's debate-lording really that effective? I think he mostly preaches to the choir.

How many Nazi's does Vaush need to debate to prove that Nazism and white nationalism is a dumb idea? And how many of those debates do you need to hear in order to settle this case?

You can engage of course, but also at some point the constant engagement of people with no intellectual integrity or interest in governing is just like arguing with a donkey. It becomes a waste of time. No one should be listening to Dan Crenshaw about how to govern. If you want to have a serious discussion on governing, let's have it. But let's not pretend these Fox News puppets care anything about that.

A precondition for any serious political discussion must be 1) Intellectual integrity, 2) genuine interest in governing, and 3) historical literacy and honesty. Without these 3 things the discussion is a waste of time.

I see. Sounds he gets too impractical a lot of times when he comes up with such ideas. I also think that he should just stay in his lane by just sticking with being an expert in Biology instead of being a big political activist.

Tulsi has some progressive ideas, but she does seem to side too much with Republicans or Conservatives. I didn't like when she voted "present" for Trump's first impeachment. 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In a sense, I think Biden is perfect right now. He's the most pragmatic and realistic of the bunch. A rabid progressive would not get much more done than Biden I think. Biden's moderate image is working very well for him. I think people underestimate Biden. He's all too easy to dismiss and mock, yet Biden can accomplish a lot of basic, practical stuff -- as he's currently on track to do. It won't be anything crazy socialist. But it will still be much welcomed. Biden can be trusted to do solid liberal governance. It's not flashy, but it works and it's badly needed and it lays the foundation for future progressive causes.

This is why I currently believe that liberal leaning moderate democrats or centre-left politicians have been the most beneficial ones for our country. They have noble progressive visions that are economically sound and workable. 

 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Roy

1) Dan Crenshaw's eye is the least funny thing about him. No need to stoop to such lows when we got the stupidity of his ideology to work with.

It's really unfortunate that the kind of trauma he has been through as a former Navy SEAL officer and the high level of education he has didn't make much more of an empathetic individual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Forestluv said:

That’s a reason I tip my hat to someone like Conner Murphy. He built a YT personality and massive following, then suddenly let go of his 90% of his base and ideology. That’s not easy to do. 

Not trying to drag Conor Murphy, I love the guy, but he went from videos of him taking his shirt off to videos of him drinking piss and semen. I don’t think he has really transitioned in terms of his content. It’s still click bait shock factor stuff and he still has his fans laughing at all the crazy stuff he is doing.

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45 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I also think that he should just stay in his lane by just sticking with being an expert in Biology instead of being a big political activist.

I got no problem with him venturing outside his lane. Hell, I do that all the time.

You can operate outside your lane, just be careful not to make a fool of yourself. I know I have sometimes.

45 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I didn't like when she voted "present" when for Trump's first impeachment. 

That's the kind of BS I was alluding to. There's more where that came from.

1 hour ago, roopepa said:

I've been thinking how lucky I am since I found Actualized.org when I was something like 17 or 18. Now, quite solid Tier 2 at 22 years.

Either lucky or cursed ;)


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37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Either lucky or cursed ;)

Every person on the face of the earth thinks they are either blessed or cursed.

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