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Spiral Dynamics BOOK

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The Spiral Wizard section was written better. There is a chapter on each stage. They go well with Leo’s video series.   

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@Twega Wait, what is the exact name of the book you're reading? Is it Spiral Dynamics mastering leadership values and change?

I completely disagree with your original book, I find the SDi books (there are two of them both by Don Beck) to be much more engaging than Leo's videos. Leo's PURPLE and RED videos are spot on accurate but the prior videos where he talks about BLUE to TURQOISE are a bit inaccurate and I find only serve to make caricature impressions of each code.

Every part of the book was incredibly fun to read and engaging, but keep aware that this is not a chakra game but a serious scientific model.

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@Twega  Would you say that the book has brought new info and insights to light?  I've had this notion that the book may be simply rehashing all what Leo talks about and nothing really new will come from it.  


"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"   --   Marry Poppins

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The purpose is to underscore the entitlement and wrong expectation of life to be easy and served up to you on silver platter.

Nothing personal. But you guys gotta toughen up.

Your grandparents where shot at in WWII, and you are complaining about how boring a book is. And you expect me to coddle you on this? Embrace the challenges of self-development.

Kids these days expect everything to be easy.

Daddy Leo scolding the hell out of Kids. xD

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13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, the book is badly written. Boo-hoo.

The book is so well written, Don Beck and Cowen have such an engaging writing style


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

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On 09/02/2021 at 1:12 PM, Leo Gura said:

The purpose is to underscore the entitlement and wrong expectation of life to be easy and served up to you on silver platter.

Nothing personal. But you guys gotta toughen up.

Your grandparents where shot at in WWII, and you are complaining about how boring a book is. And you expect me to coddle you on this? Embrace the challenges of self-development.

Kids these days expect everything to be easy.

I believe your intentions are good and appreciate it. 

However, were you present in WWII? I don't think just taking psychedelics in a controlled environment makes someone tough.

There weren't just some standards met, that's why it was boring. It is the same as you would say "fuck every random girl out there so you have something to fuck. Because in the stone age, girls had also bad breath and deformed heads."

If something is not well written, there can also be better materials so one has not to unnecessary struggle with it.

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Funny story.

a couple years back I had a book club with some friends. One by one we could choose a personal development book. When it was my turn, I choose the spiral dynamics book.

We didn’t make it more than a couple chapters in before the book club fell apart.

😂😂😂


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Yeah if it existed back then it would have been done for stage blue. But it didn't. Rn breast implants are done mostly from stage orange. Is what I think the book is tryna get at. Chinese people tying foot is more tied in (pun intended) with tradition and dogma than a women choosing to get breast implants. Getting breast implants is more to stand out and tying foot as tradition says is more for fitting in and conforming to tradition.

This, imo, is why that is said in book. I haven't read the book tho lol

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@Leo Gura

Shaming others for not having the patience or ability to wade through hundreds of pages of dense, poorly written prose (when there are others ways of getting that information) is counter productive. 

Hell the fact that you try to present your videos using understandable language and conversational tone along with decent production values (ie not using a $40 Camera that has trouble picking up audio) is proof that the way information is presented matters.

Nothing wrong with a work being difficult, but at the very least it should also be engaging.

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The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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8 hours ago, Identity said:

Funny story.

a couple years back I had a book club with some friends. One by one we could choose a personal development book. When it was my turn, I choose the spiral dynamics book.

We didn’t make it more than a couple chapters in before the book club fell apart.

😂😂😂

xDxDxD

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On 9.2.2021 at 0:51 PM, Twega said:

 They gave an example of breast implants as being a stage orange phenomenon. I can see how that might be the case.. but also didn't Chinese women tie their female children's feet because small feet are sexually attractive in that culture? They've been doing that for ages and I think the health outcomes are worse than silicon injections.. The only reason is that the technology came from stage orange scientific materialism cultures. If that technology had existed before, it would be done at stage blue also

Do you think they would be explicit about saying it's about sexual attraction or would they maybe cite some virtue like "the ideal shape of a woman's feet"? In most cases, Orange would be the former, Blue the latter.

Breast implants is a choice that a woman makes by herself (ideally) in order to boost her social status or self-esteem. There are of course implicit cultural influences at play, but at the level of individual action, it's a woman enhancing herself for the sake of her individuality.

The Chinese feet thing is a practice that is forced upon somebody without their consent and enters the collective conformity aspects of Blue. From the perspective of values, Orange would cite freedom, individual rights etc. while Blue would cite tradition, virtue etc..

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On 09/02/2021 at 1:12 PM, Leo Gura said:

The purpose is to underscore the entitlement and wrong expectation of life to be easy and served up to you on silver platter.

Nothing personal. But you guys gotta toughen up.

Your grandparents where shot at in WWII, and you are complaining about how boring a book is. And you expect me to coddle you on this? Embrace the challenges of self-development.

Kids these days expect everything to be easy.

You talk like a boomer boss

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