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Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

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I went through a phase of being obsessed with watching documentaries about life in prison. Perhaps these are good sources for you to examine this domain of behaviours. 

This "law and disorder in Johannesburg" documentary had this gem of a man. Louis Theroux has amazing documentaries. 

 

 

 


Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough

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4 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

There's a difference between being aggressively competent and abusing your power as an arbitrary authority figure that can attack at will.  That can lead to you doing the exact opposite of what your job should be.

not many people are gonna have the emotional control to pick and choose when these aggressive elements come out, even the people in the hiring process- they don't even know hot to control their own emotions

Also, the same way as a therapist will end up with emotional/psychological issues by being bombarded with trauma all the time (becoming the people they deal with most), cops will become abusive if they weren't already that bad (like the criminals they frequently deal with) unless they receive regular help

That's why more conscious people (yellow probs) need to be in charge of this stuff :/ 


"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it" -Rumi

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Healthy red I can think of is Yakuza helping japanese citizens during crisis.

 

Edited by Esoteric

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Dizzee Rascal, you guys probably not heard of him but hes a grime (rap) artist from the UK, hes 35 and has ascended comfortably to orange and maybe pushing toward green now, but he recorded his debut album at 17 and talked about how it growing up in a harsh environment in London. If you can understand what hes saying he gives his perspective on it whilst being in it, very unique to hear -

 

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48 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Red reacting against a blue world.

 

It's not stage red just because it's violent, he becomes like this because of the negative sides of stage orange and blue.


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Just now, tenta said:

It's not stage red just because it's violent, he becomes like this because of the negative sides of stage orange and blue.

He doesn't seem blue, and the only orange thing about him is wanting to be a successful comedian. Unless you mean that he's green reacting against blue and orange, but I would disagree with that. He's just killing innocent people by the end of the movie.

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1 hour ago, tenta said:

It's not stage red just because it's violent, he becomes like this because of the negative sides of stage orange and blue.

When the society persecutes you the the point that it becomes indistinguishable from living under a stage red oppressive empire, to the point where the most basic aspects of your individuality gets neglected, you will drop to that stage yourself and act accordingly in order to preserve yourself. Any stage in particular doesn't just arise as a result of evolution from a previous stage but also as a result of the short-commings of the proceeding stages. That is one way to view what causes things like violent protests.

Edited by Carl-Richard

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I would highly recommend the movie No Escape to understand Stage Red mentality, especially these scenes:

Some chilled out riot music: 

Some good ol'-fashioned gang crime:

 

Edited by AtheisticNonduality

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