Ask an Occultist (divination,talking to spirits, siddhis, etc)

[Matt8800]

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Most people are not really interested in scientific studies. I would think more effective things would be challenging prominent atheists and doing something that cannot be dismissed.

There has to be a way to use your skills for the greater purpose, to use them to increase consciousness.

What if that's what used to happen in the past? What if Christ used his magic to make everyone without a doubt know of his Godhood? What if that is what created Christianity in the first place?

What if you could do the same? Or someone else who has psychic abilities. Would it not be imperative to use these abilities to increase consciousness? I feel like so much more could be done, would Christ have sat around and been referring to studies that can easily be dismissed by rationalists? I think he would have been far more radical in his approach, if he truly had any of the abilities that were reported.

@Scholar I have a friend that randomly met a Chinese Chi-gung practitioner that was able to move physical objects without touching them. He looked under the table, checked for strings, etc....couldnt find any trickery. He STILL is skeptical about this stuff (and probably a little afraid). Ive also shown him the studies, although he doesnt have the scientific mind to decipher what they mean.

I have a reputation for my words being precise when it comes to the truth and I have told him some crazy stories. What I have found is that the people that were meant to know, will know. If someone's path isnt meant to intersect with that kind of spirituality, it isnt meant to be. If people want to know what is true, they need to actively search for the truth for themselves. It cant be shoved down their throat.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[Scholar]

6 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

@Scholar I have a friend that randomly met a Chinese Chi-gung practitioner that was able to move physical objects without touching them. He looked under the table, checked for strings, etc....couldnt find any trickery. He STILL is skeptical about this stuff (and probably a little afraid). Ive also shown him the studies, although he doesnt have the scientific mind to decipher what they mean.

I have a reputation for my words being precise when it comes to the truth and I have told him some crazy stories. What I have found is that the people that were meant to know, will know. If someone's path isnt meant to intersect with that kind of spirituality, it isnt meant to be. If people want to know what is true, they need to actively search for the truth for themselves. It cant be shoved down their throat.

I don't know, I don't like this kind of easy dismissal.

What if your skeptical friend would be the one who sets up the table, who sets up the environment. Putting up cameras everywhere etc. if the Chi-gung practitioner still can do that he should not be skeptical.

And even if he is, not everyone will be. We can't give up just because some, or even a lot of people, are close-minded. What if it can be shoved down their throat? From the stories that were reported, it is exactly what Christ did. He purposefully used magic to prove his Godhood. And why not, it instantly increased peoples consciousness around him. They immediately knew his divinity. What about the skeptical romans who saw Christs dead and then his rebirth? Was that not essentially what triggered all of Christianity, if it truly did happen?

What if that's exactly what we need today? Why not try our best instead of just giving up in face of some skeptics? What else will you do with these abilities?

Edited September 12, 2019 by Scholar

[astrokeen]

@Matt8800 ,

Many religions (particularly Hinduism) include the practice of making daily offerings to a deity: incense, sweets, lighting a candle etc. Many perform the rituals as superstition out of fear rather than love.   You have mentioned that these rituals are effective.  Could you say how?

Firstly, do these deities really exist or have they been brought into existence by the collective thought of millions? Just as you create spirits.  If that is the case, our beliefs are self-fulfilling, isn't it? We could use deities as a crutch or stay free from such beliefs. However, does the occult require their presence? 

p.s. Thank you for continuing to respond to my barrage of questions.

Edited September 12, 2019 by astrokeen

[Matt8800]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

I don't know, I don't like this kind of easy dismissal.

What if your skeptical friend would be the one who sets up the table, who sets up the environment. Putting up cameras everywhere etc. if the Chi-gung practitioner still can do that he should not be skeptical.

And even if he is, not everyone will be. We can't give up just because some, or even a lot of people, are close-minded. What if it can be shoved down their throat? From the stories that were reported, it is exactly what Christ did. He purposefully used magic to prove his Godhood. And why not, it instantly increased peoples consciousness around him. They immediately knew his divinity. What about the skeptical romans who saw Christs dead and then his rebirth? Was that not essentially what triggered all of Christianity, if it truly did happen?

What if that's exactly what we need today? Why not try our best instead of just giving up in face of some skeptics? What else will you do with these abilities?

@Scholar It is all there if people want to know. I wanted to know and experienced it for myself. Ignorance is always a personal option. Truth is never forced. 

Dean Radin has the scientific evidence that strongly implies what is going on but the scientific method only works with cause and effect on the material plane. For this reason, people that want to deny will deny. If they deny, than that was their path.

[Matt8800]

1 hour ago, astrokeen said:

@Matt8800 ,

Many religions (particularly Hinduism) include the practice of making daily offerings to a deity: incense, sweets, lighting a candle etc. Many perform the rituals as superstition out of fear rather than love.   You have mentioned that these rituals are effective.  Could you say how?

Firstly, do these deities really exist or have they been brought into existence by the collective thought of millions? Just as you create spirits.  If that is the case, our beliefs are self-fulfilling, isn't it? We could use deities as a crutch or stay free from such beliefs. However, does the occult require their presence? 

p.s. Thank you for continuing to respond to my barrage of questions.

@astrokeen I look at offerings to spirits like being a good neighbor. You wave, smile and say hi. If your fruit tree has extra fruit, you bring some over to them. It builds good will and friendship. Then their garden produces extra vegetables and they bring some over to you.

Some people think they need to grovel out of fear. I get the feeling that they dont respect this...at least that is the feeling that I get from Hecate.

Its like that with spirits. If they like and respect you, many will want to do things for you, even if not asked. Many appreciate courtesy, gratitude and kindness. The wrathful ones tend to be placated and move on to other people. You can feel that their is a world around you that is rooting you and wants you to flourish. 

I dont know what deities are. I have wondered if they were created thoughtforms that have gained enormous power from the psychic energy invested by millions or billions of people. I also have thought that they were already there as other beings on other planes with their own path of evolution. Maybe in a way that is impossible to explain, it is a little of both. I have no idea but I dont doubt their power.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[Scholar]

8 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

@Scholar It is all there if people want to know. I wanted to know and experienced it for myself. Ignorance is always a personal option. Truth is never forced. 

Dean Radin has the scientific evidence that strongly implies what is going on but the scientific method only works with cause and effect on the material plane. For this reason, people that want to deny will deny. If they deny, than that was their path.

I still don't see why that would keep us from using these abilities to deliberately increase consciousness. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Science is skeptical in nature, we would have never had any progress and breakthroughs if we just gave in to the skeptics. If Darwin just said "Ignorance is always a personal option.", I don't think we would be where we are today.

Sometimes it requires fighting the skeptics. Jesus didn't just sit around and wait for people to find him, he was out there and radically challenging the status quo. And think about how easy it is for us today, in the time of Jesus they would have put you on a cross. In medieval times they would have burned you at the stake.

What would all those who sacrificed themselves in the face of ignorance think of us, who make excuses as to why they should not take radical action? Is that not our egos trying to stay in comfort? How easy is it for the ego to use what you said as an excuse?

 

It takes effort to change the world, to bring light into darkness The people who changed the world did not do so with the attitude of "Those who seek truth will find it".

Edited September 12, 2019 by Scholar

[Matt8800]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I still don't see why that would keep us from using these abilities to deliberately increase consciousness. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Science is skeptical in nature, we would have never had any progress and breakthroughs if we just gave in to the skeptics. If Darwin just said "Ignorance is always a personal option.", I don't think we would be where we are today.

Sometimes it requires fighting the skeptics. Jesus didn't just sit around and wait for people to find him, he was out there and radically challenging the status quo. And think about how easy it is for us today, in the time of Jesus they would have put you on a cross. In medieval times they would have burned you at the stake.

What would all those who sacrificed themselves in the face of ignorance think of us, who make excuses as to why they should not take radical action? Is that not our egos trying to stay in comfort? How easy is it for the ego to use what you said as an excuse?

@Scholar I am working on increasing others' consciousness and have made a lot of progress. Some choose truth and some choose ignorance. I invest time with people that choose truth and have helped others quite a bit on their path. It is my path to continue to lift these people up and show them truth and how to find their own inner power/strength.

One of my best friends resists change and truth because he is afraid of it. I try to help him. He makes progress but VERY slowly compared to how I approach my evolution. Its painful to watch because he puts himself through so much shit living from a position of fear and limitations. Part of acceptance and not grasping is allowing people to progress on their path in their own manner.

Increasing consciousness is done through personal relationships. I can do it in my way, Leo does it his way and you can do it in your way. We all have a part to play but many times it is not the same part.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[ValiantSalvatore]

@Matt8800  I am not sure what you mean I enjoy the unkown quite a bit, yet this is very new to me Id like to explore it in the future where I feel I could use it in general when I feel I am ready for it, there are still some very basic fears that are not of the unknown just fear of darkness like a kid it just scares me sometimes for a reason because of the weird shapes I see etc.

Id have to mention this also most likely... yes I do fear evil. The intention alone is very frightening, of course facing it is brave and facing it with love is ultimately what I feel is appropriate.

Also there is quite a bit of projection that I feel is projected upon me, I dont value things based fear or rate things based on fear I found it unbelivable that one person could do and did "such" evil rituals and that is why I compared him to Hitler in the first place, I said this more jokingly yet apparently that did not came across with the lol at the end.

Yes, I do understand that one can forge either good or evil, depending on how the practice is used. As far as Ive read through the responses I can see what the occult is in reality about and that what I know about the occult has been distored and polluted, by the christian church. I know also know that Taoism can be contrasted with the Occult and Christians would and do demonize Taosim, and that there are similarities between Taoism and the Occult.

1 hour ago, Matt8800 said:

Ive know plenty of people into the occult and they would never dream of hurting people. This is like saying that you read a story about a Mexican killing someone and becoming afraid of Mexicans and claiming they hurt people. Generalizing is something that the human brain does automatically unconsciously. We should be aware of when we do it.

Yes, as I said before I did not know anything about the occult and I was curious about the positive view because I saw the negative side of it. Now I see again what it is about. In case it came across as if Id generalized I do apoligize for that I did not mean to do that or to come across like that. I am very interested in biases in general, so I was not trying to confirm something that I believe rather the complete opposite. That is why I asked in the first place. Please dont misread my intentions.
 

1 hour ago, Matt8800 said:

Just curious - what makes something dark if one's highest values is love and beauty? 

Well who can can lol. Id love to be that way yet that takes work and reading the right books etc. having concrete information and experiences that serve as a guide. If Id feel so loving as I felt for instance on LSD in a conscious setting while meditating as well as after some meditation sessions, I would have tried the stuff all on my own before asking most likely if I heard of it. I figure nothing will be dark since everything would be love, beauty, bliss and purity. Without all of the societal connotations of these words, more experiantially based.

 

1 hour ago, Matt8800 said:

I suspect many of your opinions are formed out of fear of the unknown. I dont care for Crowley's hedonism but it seems to matter to you more than it should imo.

Not sure, I did shadow work for 2 years and been thrown into situations where the unknown overwhelmed me and I had to deal with that chaos, yet this is a whole new dimension. Crowly was for me just an interesting figure since I never heard any of this and he influenced even contempoary history with all of his deeds. I am not at a point, yet where Id not feel outraged about such acts.

 

1 hour ago, Matt8800 said:

I work with spirits and I have good relationships with many. They are like people. If you treat them well and handle yourself in a respectful, noble way, they will respect and like you. Just like people, if they respect and like you, they like to do things for you. A minority of spirits are troublesome but most are not. If someone doesnt have strong spirit allies, or is not interested in developing those allies, and is afraid of spirits, they should not delve into the spirit world. As for me, I have no fear of it and enjoy working with them.

I know I am asking a lot of questions, yet could you recommend a specific book where I could read to practice this, so I can see for myself in the future ?  I am not denying any of this and am rather intruiged by it as I saw other reports about positive spirits etc.  Could they also appear normally in meditation through a normal practice ? Or is this rather unlikely ? Id like to dive into it because I was interested in shamanism and when I am done studying and all of that Id like to explore this topic a bit in reality.

[Scholar]

Just now, Matt8800 said:

I am working on increasing others' consciousness and have made a lot of progress. Some choose truth and some choose ignorance. I invest time with people that choose truth and have helped others quite a bit on their path.

Increasing consciousness is done through personal relationships. I can do it in my way, Leo does it his way and you can do it in your way. We all have a part to play but many times it is not the same part.

Of course, but you are gifted and you could radically change the world if you and everyone with these abilities truly put the effort into it. What if my part to play is to change your mind and motivate you to act in a radical way?

[ValiantSalvatore]

@Matt8800 Someone told me he saw tiny angels jumping on his body. I also know about the spirit releam from shamanism since the person I train with generally talks about mystecism and also does shamanic rituals, like a sweatlodge ceremony and other stuff, I never dived into it because there is no option for me so far that I know of here besides reading a book and trying.

So, I know this is possible, yet I never heard about the occult.

Edited September 12, 2019 by ValiantSalvatore

[Matt8800]

1 hour ago, ValiantSalvatore said:

@Matt8800  I am not sure what you mean I enjoy the unkown quite a bit, yet this is very new to me Id like to explore it in the future where I feel I could use it in general when I feel I am ready for it, there are still some very basic fears that are not of the unknown just fear of darkness like a kid it just scares me sometimes for a reason because of the weird shapes I see etc.

Id have to mention this also most likely... yes I do fear evil. The intention alone is very frightening, of course facing it is brave and facing it with love is ultimately what I feel is appropriate.

Also there is quite a bit of projection that I feel is projected upon me, I dont value things based fear or rate things based on fear I found it unbelivable that one person could do and did "such" evil rituals and that is why I compared him to Hitler in the first place, I said this more jokingly yet apparently that did not came across with the lol at the end.

Yes, I do understand that one can forge either good or evil, depending on how the practice is used. As far as Ive read through the responses I can see what the occult is in reality about and that what I know about the occult has been distored and polluted, by the christian church. I know also know that Taoism can be contrasted with the Occult and Christians would and do demonize Taosim, and that there are similarities between Taoism and the Occult.

Yes, as I said before I did not know anything about the occult and I was curious about the positive view because I saw the negative side of it. Now I see again what it is about. In case it came across as if Id generalized I do apoligize for that I did not mean to do that or to come across like that. I am very interested in biases in general, so I was not trying to confirm something that I believe rather the complete opposite. That is why I asked in the first place. Please dont misread my intentions.
 

Well who can can lol. Id love to be that way yet that takes work and reading the right books etc. having concrete information and experiences that serve as a guide. If Id feel so loving as I felt for instance on LSD in a conscious setting while meditating as well as after some meditation sessions, I would have tried the stuff all on my own before asking most likely if I heard of it. I figure nothing will be dark since everything would be love, beauty, bliss and purity. Without all of the societal connotations of these words, more experiantially based.

 

Not sure, I did shadow work for 2 years and been thrown into situations where the unknown overwhelmed me and I had to deal with that chaos, yet this is a whole new dimension. Crowly was for me just an interesting figure since I never heard any of this and he influenced even contempoary history with all of his deeds. I am not at a point, yet where Id not feel outraged about such acts.

 

I know I am asking a lot of questions, yet could you recommend a specific book where I could read to practice this, so I can see for myself in the future ?  I am not denying any of this and am rather intruiged by it as I saw other reports about positive spirits etc.  Could they also appear normally in meditation through a normal practice ? Or is this rather unlikely ? Id like to dive into it because I was interested in shamanism and when I am done studying and all of that Id like to explore this topic a bit in reality.

@ValiantSalvatore I understand the fears. I used to be fearful and this was something I feared.

Remember, evil is relative. The cat is evil to the bird. Bugs are evil to the farmer and the farmer is evil to the bugs. They are just trying to eat after all  

Evil for evil's sake is just grasping at something to feel better in some way. It root cause is suffering. "Evil" spirits suffer, which is what is driving their own eventual evolution towards the light (imo). ALL consciousness wants to experience love, beauty and peace ultimately.

Transcend the self and fear of evil will disappear since there is no "you" that will suffer at the hands of evil.

Dont be afraid of the dark. Be the light to shine into the darkness with courage. The universe rewards courage. 

If you are going to delve into this more, I would suggest building a relationship with a deity. Not out of obligation but for evolution and protection. If you have powerful allies, no wrathful spirits will bother you. Show kindness, gratitude and respect to spirits and many will show that back to you.

A good resource is The sorcerers secrets by Jason miller. Im reading Six Ways by Aiden Wachter which I LOVE. I wish I would have found this book earlier. It talks a lot about relationships with spirits and ways to put those to use on the spiritual and mundane path.

 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[Matt8800]

44 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Of course, but you are gifted and you could radically change the world if you and everyone with these abilities truly put the effort into it. What if my part to play is to change your mind and motivate you to act in a radical way?

@scholar I act as I am directed and led, which is for the good of others. It seems to be going in a radical direction and I am following it there. Its not in my time though.

There are others that are further down the path than I am

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, Matt8800 said:

@scholar I act as I am directed and led, which is for the good of others. It seems to be going in a radical direction and I am following it there. Its not in my time though.

But don't forget that the ego will try to have you remain in your comfort zone. It will use the divine to justify it's own terms.

People do not choose to be ignorant, they don't choose to denie the Truth. They need help, and I think those among us who are especially gifted have a greater responsibility. Who else will help them but us?

I don't know why you see this as such a threat. To me this is an opportunity. It will grow your character, you might bring light to the world in unimaginable ways. And it's not like what I suggest would make you do less of what you are doing right now, in fact it would have you do more! Look at Sadhguru, what if he never decided to take things into his own hand and change the world? What if he stayed another Yogi who spend his time in a cave and occasionally helped those who seeked him out? Look at how different the world would be.

 

You have connections to a lot of people who have similar gifts, you could organize events to strategically plan this. This is exciting, it is an opportunity to increase love. Why not do it? Sure it will be challenging, but it will also be rewarding.

[Matt8800]

56 minutes ago, Scholar said:

But don't forget that the ego will try to have you remain in your comfort zone. It will use the divine to justify it's own terms.

People do not choose to be ignorant, they don't choose to denie the Truth. They need help, and I think those among us who are especially gifted have a greater responsibility. Who else will help them but us?

I don't know why you see this as such a threat. To me this is an opportunity. It will grow your character, you might bring light to the world in unimaginable ways. And it's not like what I suggest would make you do less of what you are doing right now, in fact it would have you do more! Look at Sadhguru, what if he never decided to take things into his own hand and change the world? What if he stayed another Yogi who spend his time in a cave and occasionally helped those who seeked him out? Look at how different the world would be.

 

You have connections to a lot of people who have similar gifts, you could organize events to strategically plan this. This is exciting, it is an opportunity to increase love. Why not do it? Sure it will be challenging, but it will also be rewarding.

I am open to anything. I help whenever I can. I definitely stay way out of my comfort zone lol.

I understand what you are saying. I share your intention. I have told Hecate that I am eager to help and she has told me that she intends to use me to help others in the right way and right time. 

Im just saying that the universe has a way and time it works on its own. Its a fine line between ignoring the call and pressing ahead before called. I do not ignore the call when I am called and I seem to be called more and more often. I am being refined, just like everyone else.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Matt8800

[ValiantSalvatore]

2 hours ago, Matt8800 said:

A good resource is The sorcerers secrets by Jason miller

@Matt8800 Thx a lot !

Yes, I can sometimes forget that things are relative

 

2 hours ago, Matt8800 said:

Transcend the self and fear of evil will disappear since there is no "you" that will suffer at the hands of evil.

Dont be afraid of the dark. Be the light to shine into the darkness with courage. The universe rewards courage.

Oh yes, I definitely feel this when I feel a strong feelings of impermanence ! So, no-self is a path that I am walking towards.


Also, the book is great in case its about deities and in general to build a relationship with one the master I am training with (or his system) was ordained in a deity focused practice, so I can ask him also ! To see how different the Japanese Vajrayana tradition would be in comparrsion to a spirit from the occult.


Thanks again a lot for the clarifications!

[Yog]

@Matt8800  I see you got a lovely thread going, hard to catch up Keep up the good work

What are your thoughts on this. It is an extract from a book called Meditation and Kabbalah - by Aryeh Kaplan
I am guessing you have some insight on the kabbalistic ways.

I see Practical Kabbalah is getting somewhat popular in occult circles. Probably because of the word "practical" and the present day culture focused on "practicality". It has a ring. But this text makes one.... shit in his pants.

___________________________________________________________________________________________

This is the significance of the Practical Kabbalah. It is forbidden to make use of it,

since evil necessarily attaches itself to the good. One may actually intend to cleanse

his soul, but as a result of the evil, he actually defiles it.

Even if one does gain some perception, it is truth intermingled with falsehood. This

is especially true today, since the ashes of the Red Heifer no longer exist. [Since one

cannot purify himself,] the uncleanliness of the Husks (Klipot) attaches itself to the

individual who attempts to gain enlightenment through the Practical Kabbalah.

Therefore, “he who watches his soul should keep far from them.” 53 For besides

polluting his soul, he will also be punished in purgatory (Gehinom). We also have a

tradition that such an individual will be punished in this world. Either he or his

children will become sick, will be impoverished, or will become apostates. Learn a

lesson from Joseph Della Reina and Rabbi Shlomo Molcho, who made use of the

Practical Kabbalah and were destroyed from the world.

All this is because of the above-mentioned reason. This involves a realm where

there is no good devoid of evil. Besides this, it involves coercing angels with oaths

against their will. These angels retaliate by enticing this individual, drawing him into

evil ways until his soul is destroyed.

Beyond this, the methods involving these oaths were concealed by earlier

generations, and we are not well-versed in the proper techniques. One must therefore

keep himself far from these things.

Rabbi Chaim Vital (1543-1620)

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Edited September 12, 2019 by Yog

[Scholar]

Do you think someone naturally gifted who does not know about it could harm others by unintentionally cursing them, having negative thoughts and visualizations about them?

[enderx7]

3 hours ago, Scholar said:

But don't forget that the ego will try to have you remain in your comfort zone. It will use the divine to justify it's own terms.

People do not choose to be ignorant, they don't choose to denie the Truth. They need help, and I think those among us who are especially gifted have a greater responsibility. Who else will help them but us?

I don't know why you see this as such a threat. To me this is an opportunity. It will grow your character, you might bring light to the world in unimaginable ways. And it's not like what I suggest would make you do less of what you are doing right now, in fact it would have you do more! Look at Sadhguru, what if he never decided to take things into his own hand and change the world? What if he stayed another Yogi who spend his time in a cave and occasionally helped those who seeked him out? Look at how different the world would be.

 

You have connections to a lot of people who have similar gifts, you could organize events to strategically plan this. This is exciting, it is an opportunity to increase love. Why not do it? Sure it will be challenging, but it will also be rewarding.

Why not do it yourself? If your really passionate you'll grow quite quickly, if I'm not wrong Matt has only been at it a few years. Grow with your passion and it will explosive and quite fun and engaging besides and you will either realize your goal of influencing the path of others or better yet realize the futility of it and be able to relax into the intuition that the divine has things right on track and enjoy your part in the dance 

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, enderx7 said:

Why not do it yourself? If your really passionate you'll grow quite quickly, if I'm not wrong Matt has only been at it a few years. Grow with your passion and it will explosive and quite fun and engaging besides and you will either realize your goal of influencing the path of others or better yet realize the futility of it and be able to relax into the intuition that the divine has things right on track and enjoy your part in the dance 

Because I don't know if the it is even possible, especially for someone not gifted enough. I also have other areas that I am more gifted at that I think I will be more effectively raising the consciousness of others.

With these kinds of things it's seems like natural talent is especially important, so those who have that talent and actualized it have more weight on their shoulders than those of us who do not, I think.

[enderx7]

@ScholarThis weight is a projection, it only exists for the actualizion prosess. those with light just illuminate because that is the nature of light, it does not try to fill a dark room it just does. Besides powers won't convince people to become conscious nessicarily, it will more likely convince them to seek powers thus why most masters with them don't always broadcast them.

Just take those areas you naturally have passion for and continuously open space for more consciousness and divinity and they will be as powerful for raising consciousness as jesus if it's done with the same level of undivided devotion and unconditional love as him.

Edited September 12, 2019 by enderx7