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3 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

Why do you want an answer? I don't need your answer, keep it for yourself. Become aware of your mechanisms.

And let me help you out a little bit. It matters to you because you believe that the world is material. You deem everyone who doesn't believe the same thing 'deluded' and discount them. You're like super obvious, classic materialist.

Then there would be 8 billion human beings minus one, telling that one a story about the existence of the moon. Very simple.

Stories are not true, nor false. They're just stories. Become aware of that.

Did you read it or are you dyslexic? I said that the moon would be there (with no name) if there were no humans telling stories about it.

I don´t have problem with materilism, 

 

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2 hours ago, Richard Alpert said:

I been switching mails with Zenn for maybe a year. 

He is a real deal. He is not perfect, far from it, but he is a great teacher. People don´t want to listen him because he will fuck your world up. He is brutally honest, nasty, friendly, loving, human. He is the full spectrum of humanism.

Left hand path and new age does not mix well.

He has had the most powerfull kundalini awekening (human metamorphosis) and has talked about how he has had pretty much every textbook spiritual "state" and experience. He also started his path 35 years ago. Experience matters in everything. He knows what is what and has no shame.

 

 

 

Makes me wonder why he's still masturbating about concepts like Leo. That's a large portion of the intellectual work until you go past that into pure being Ness. It's a big part of the journey but I thought 30 years would make you past that. Of course that's probably me doing the same thing I just talked against in the first sentence. 

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2 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

Makes me wonder why he's still masturbating about concepts like Leo. That's a large portion of the intellectual work until you go past that into pure being Ness. It's a big part of the journey but I thought 30 years would make you past that. Of course that's probably me doing the same thing I just talked against in the first sentence. 

 

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23 minutes ago, Richard Alpert said:

Did you read it or are you dyslexic?

That sounds like suffering on your side.

23 minutes ago, Richard Alpert said:

I said that the moon would be there (with no name) if there were no humans telling stories about it.

That's irrelevant to what I'm trying to point out to you.

Anyway, where exactly is this 'there' that the moon would be in, other than your imagination?

If you're not looking at the moon right now, how do you know with a 100% certainty that it's still in the sky? How do you know with a 100% certainty that there is even a sky if you're not looking at it right now?

You might say: I could go outside and look at it, and that would prove that I'm right. But that would be you imagining a future where you could go and do that, not actually experiencing any moon in the present moment.

If you want to understand spirituality, you must discard all notions of future and past at first.

23 minutes ago, Richard Alpert said:

I don´t have problem with materilism.

I don't have a problem with it too, except that it's not the absolute truth, but rather just a perspective, a very practical one indeed (which is the best thing about materialism).

Materialism is highly dependent on imagination/assumptions, and materialists believe that it delivers the truth (notice: belief = imagination). Materialists poo poo metaphysics, but you (especially materialists) can't escape metaphysics. Become aware of that.

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1 hour ago, Truth Addict said:

LOL. This can't be further from the truth.

I try to tell people what they need to hear to move one step forward.

Being accurate in describing a deeper reality is not so important to me as one needs to experience it for oneself anyway.


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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38 minutes ago, Richard Alpert said:

 

If whole humanity would be wiped away i think it still would be a moon. It would not be called a moon since there would be no language but it would be what it is.

It would be pure consciousness or infinity.   Think about it.  If no one is there to see it there is no difference between it existing or not.  It just is itself.  Which is what you are fundamentally...but you may need a mystical experience to really become directly conscious of this.   Because just like the moon you yourself can go from form to collapsing into pure Being or the formless.  That's when materialism will melt away for you.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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@Richard Alpert I mentioned the moon as an analogy.

But, since you ask, the answer is "I don't know."

And if you were really honest, that would be your answer also.

Notice, RIGHT NOW, that in your direct experience, you do not perceive anything "behind" you.

Now, if you were to turn around, you might say that what was "behind" you is now visible.

And once again if you turned back to your original orientation, "behind" is once again invisible.

Where did all the forms go?

"Well, they're behind me!"

Nope. That's a mental map you constructed. Do you understand that? 

For all you know, what's "behind" you might physically cease to exist while you are not aware of it.

When you turn back around, it spontaneously materializes.

Now, I'm not saying that's what actually happens. What I am saying, though, is that there are gaps in your certainty of reality and you fill them with thought stories.

What happens to the forms behind you when you do not see them?

Well, you imagine that they continue to exist while not being observed.

Key word, imagine. You have no way of verifying this.

In order to imagine this, you literally invent "you," "perceptual field/vision," "objects," "space/location," and "time."

I am telling you that these things literally do not exist.

So what does exist??

 

Imagine this (lol): Let's pretend "direct experience" is like a a big canvas. The forms you see are paint on that canvas.

So as you turn around, the paint changes. In fact, as you live life, the paint is constantly changing.

The whole process is so mysterious that you, that being the curious little cat you are, you MUST explain it to yourself.

So what do you do? You start calling the paint "objects." When the paint changes, you tell yourself that these are different objects that are being perceived by you.

In doing this, however, you lose sight of the canvas. You only see the paint.

Try to get in touch with the canvas. The experience as it happens prior to your mind projecting all sorts of conceptions.

 

So once again, 

Notice, RIGHT NOW, that in your direct experience, you do not perceive anything "behind" you.

Your direct experience is your direct experience. The canvas regardless of the paint.

Now, if you were to turn around, you might say that what was "behind" you is now visible.

Your direct experience is your direct experience. The canvas regardless of the paint. Turning around does not change this.

And once again if you turned back to your original orientation, "behind" is once again invisible.

Where did all the forms go?

No, they are NOT "behind you."

And if you are adamantly going to insist that they are, at least admit that you are imagining it and that you are taking a blind leap of faith.

The "external world" is NOT obvious. It is NOT common sense.

If you were really really really honest, when I ask, "where did all the forms go?"

You would say "I don't know."

 

And not knowing, my friend, is both the starting point as well as the whole journey.

 

 

Edited by RendHeaven

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4 minutes ago, Shiva said:

I try to tell people what they need to hear to move one step forward.

Being accurate in describing a deeper reality is not so important to me as one needs to experience it for oneself anyway.

From your earlier post, I doubt you ever experienced any higher states of consciousness.

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18 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

From your earlier post, I doubt you ever experienced any higher states of consciousness.

Ok


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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29 minutes ago, Shiva said:

Ok

Your reply makes me laugh because it reminds me of that meme of sadhguru and the best way to be stress free is agree with idiots. Not saying anyone is an idiot but the general policy is very helpful. 😂 There's nothing to defend! 

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There is nothing but states of consciousness.

Consciousness is the only thing that exists.

To criticize something as a state of consciousness is just silly, since things can't be anything else.

All criticism occurs within a state of consciousness. If you deny what I'm saying, that too is a state of consciousness. So there's no escaping consciousness. State of consciousness dictates physical reality, biology, and everything else. Your biology is just a state of consciousness. If your heart is beating right now, that's a state of consciousness you are in. Change the state and your heart will disappear like it never existed.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Richard Alpert That you take such a YouTuber seriously shows a lack of discernment and wisdom.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura but is it not a shortcut to discredit the guy? Not saying that I agree with him, because I see the validity of what you're saying. But by attacking his authority, aren't you refraining from building bridges between his perspective and yours? If you're not being constructive, aren't you being ignorant?

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@Maarten Truth is not the average of all perspectives. If only it were so easy! Truth is much more tricky than that.

If I were to compromise with a materialist devil, I would only debase myself. It's the devil's strategy to get you to compromise with him. He will kick and scream to get you to take him seriously.

Remember, all that a devil has to do to win is muddly the waters. That's the game here. The devil cannot win in actuality because he is coming from falsehood. The devil wins by getting you distracted from Truth and Love.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura so what is your suggestion of getting to the place of "infinite love"? Are you going to start suggesting all of your audience to smoke 5meo dmt? I dont think thats safe, but at this point, what you've done, is you've placed yourself in a position where it feels like all of us are "never going to reach the heights of YOUR levels of consciousness" unless ofc we do 5 meo and keep doing it. We don't even know the long term effects on our psychology of this drug and yet it seems as if this is truly the only way to get to the "heights" that you've been able to access. 

Also, isn't consistently putting yourself in these trance states a form of spiritual bypassing?

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is nothing but states of consciousness.

Relative

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Maarten Truth is not the average of all perspectives. If only it were so easy! Truth is much more tricky than that.

If I were to compromise with a materialist devil, I would only debase myself. It's the devil's strategy to get you to compromise with him. He will kick and scream to get you to take him seriously.

Remember, all that a devil has to do to win is muddly the waters. That's the game here. The devil cannot win in actuality because he is coming from falsehood. The devil wins by getting you distracted from Truth and Love.

You seem to be at war with yourself.  Apply the Paradox of War and Peace.  if you white-knuckle cling too tightly to one side of this paradox to the exclusion of the other, you can get locked or blocked.  The Devil is you.  Don't shit where you eat.  Tread lightly and compassionately.  You can be in favor of the Good without demonizing the Bad.  If fact, the Bad is Good if it happened.  Christians are at war with themselves in this manner.

Edited by Joseph Maynor

NOTE: Leo has disabled by ability to post or respond on here, including messages sent to me.

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Scratch my last above comment. I think I might’ve gotten a possibility Leo might be trying to communicate I’ve been missing. 

Back to not-knowing :) 

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You seem to be at war with yourself.

Projection

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Unspirituality's channel is way way above my 'threshold for bullshit media'.

Basically, anybody above that threshold I never watch.

Edited by Extreme Z7

Always Be Hardcore

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