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Inside Mooji's Cult

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@whoareyou My point was a general one. Don’t know much about moojis case, and am not disagreeing with you. Just adding nuance to the discussion.

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 I see a big donate button at the bottom of the article, lol.  I wouldn't trust Mooji or the person writing this 100%.

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20 hours ago, whoareyou said:

Do not be sheep people. Too many of you here blindly follow and worship Gurus. (including LEO).

People who end up in cults have strong co-dependency issues. I myself used to be in a cult of Jesus for many years, literally worshipping him. Cults are mostly run by fear. It's only when I did extensive inner work when I was ready to leave unhealthy relationships whether with an organization or a particular person.

As far as Actualized goes, I see it as great tool for growth in a community of like-minded people. Leo has a servant-leader mentality, he leads by example, he does the work, not just talks the talk. He's firm yet fair. But if ever I felt pressure to give money or body, I'd leave without hesitation.

So far has been so good :)

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12 minutes ago, SerpaeTetra said:

 I see a big donate button at the bottom of the article, lol.  I wouldn't trust Mooji or the person writing this 100%.

What is wrong with the donate button? This is not just some hit piece written by a hater. Be Scofield is an investigative journalist who has been doing this work for over 9 years. And I might add, has done a pretty great job at it. 

 

5 minutes ago, Natasha said:

People who end up in cults have strong co-dependency issues. I myself used to be in a cult of Jesus for many years, literally worshipping him. Cults are mostly run by fear. It's only when I did extensive inner work when I was ready to leave unhealthy relationships whether with an organization or a particular person.

As far as Actualized goes, I see it as great tool for growth in a community of like-minded people. Leo has a servant-leader mentality, he leads by example, he does the work, not just talks the talk. He's firm yet fair. But if ever I felt pressure to give money or body, I'd leave without hesitation.

So far has been so good :)

I have nothing against actualized.org, it is no near close to a cult.

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27 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Thats the thing, dude!..I can’t find any doors/exits from HOME to even leave. 

Im trapped with none other than MYSELF. I got a feeling things will remain as such as well.😊

Enjoy :D


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Plus no sources for the quotes, everything is anonymous?  I looked at 3 articles, and not one direct source in there.  It just seems exaggerated to me.  The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.  

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18 minutes ago, SerpaeTetra said:

Plus no sources for the quotes, everything is anonymous?  I looked at 3 articles, and not one direct source in there.  It just seems exaggerated to me.  The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.  

The videos are alone enough of any proof that you would need. 

How do you expect the investigative journalist to post all the sources, if the sources wish to be anonymous? A lot of people are in fear for their lives, and you expect them to be outed? 

You apparently missed one:

Here is one that was linked in the article: 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

So you find this to be reputable but not what I posted? LOL.

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15 minutes ago, whoareyou said:

The videos are alone enough of any proof that you would need. 

How do you expect the investigative journalist to post all the sources, if the sources wish to be anonymous? A lot of people are in fear for their lives, and you expect them to be outed? 

You apparently missed one:

Here is one that was linked in the article: 

 

 

So you find this to be reputable but not what I posted? LOL.

I didn't say that. Nothing is reputable.

Videos? Oh how horrible that someone is performing Bhakti yoga by kissing the feet of God (in this case it happens to be a flesh body named Mooji, in other cases they kiss the feet of statues, paintings, pictures, the ground, or anything else.)

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@Mikael89 If all you can take away from the videos is "someone is performing Bhakti yoga by kissing the feet of God", then you got much bigger problems to deal with.

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Mooji schmooji. My favourite part of that article was learning that his name is Tony. Can we just call him Tony?


How to get to infinity? Divide by zero.

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8 hours ago, whoareyou said:

Because you skimmed an article, you do not understand the complexity and nuances described in this article.  Your own mind is distorting you into labeling Mooji as "legit spiritual teacher".

This is not what I said. He is abusing his position to have sex with his students, while being in a monogamous relationships.

If you haven't skimmed the article, actually read it and CONTEMPLATED, you would see it is not relative and subjective. Your own devilry is coming to play here.

How do you determine that something is "legit"? Your perception of what is "legit" and what is not could very easily be distorted here. 

It's a relative matter to you, because you skimmed the article. If you bothered to read, and take it in the context, you would see the bigger picture. Having his students engage in criminal activity for him, and then take the falls for it, all just to earn his devotion is a VERY red flag.

Somewhat? It is VERY problematic. The fact that you don't see the significance of what is going on here, given the context, is hilarious to me.

All spiritual communities have this kind of abuse? Wtf are you talking about? 

Do you factor in your own projections, judgments, and beliefs that you hold about Mooji? 

If you want to understand what is going on here, you need to read the entire article. There is a lot more than "cult-like" features, there are a lot of red flags that you fail to see. 

Again, all of that assumes the reporting is accuate and not exaggerated or taken out of context. That's a big assumption unless you have personal experience of being inside that community.

The reason I skimmed the article is because I have no idea if what's being reported is accurate and I intuit a bias on behalf of the reporter. Ultimately I don't know.

Of course I encourage anyone entering any kind of spiritual community to be very mindful of red flags and cult behavior, which is why I realease 2 videos about cults and put 4 books about cults in my book list. Armed with such information it will be very hard to get sucked into a cult.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Watch your projections.

I engage people in discussion more than any other Youtuber alive. I have answered tens of thousands of peoples critiques, questions, and comments. It is almost a full-time job because the ignorance and devilry from some of you guys has no end.

I respect you a lot for that. You are here everyday clearing up questions from people who are not even customers.

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Western society is also a very bad Cult....

 


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Again, all of that assumes the reporting is accuate and not exaggerated or taken out of context. That's a big assumption unless you have personal experience of being inside that community.

The reason I skimmed the article is because I have no idea if what's being reported is accurate and I intuit a bias on behalf of the reporter. Ultimately I don't know.

Of course I encourage anyone entering any kind of spiritual community to be very mindful of red flags and cult behavior, which is why I realease 2 videos about cults and put 4 books about cults in my book list. Armed with such information it will be very hard to get sucked into a cult.

We can't know 100% for sure, but I am willing to give the reporting the benefit of the doubt, for these reasons:

1) Mooji has faced sexual allegations for years. This is not the only thing out there.

For example here is a big thread where other women are coming out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/88nf2l/mooji_metoo_movement/

Here is also a cult forum where people share VERY disturbing reports about him:

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,135827,page=9

2) Using intuition and inference from what I see on the videos - you just don't see those kinds of things from some other known Gurus.

 

 

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@whoareyou I have been suspicious of Mooji from the very beginning. Not suspicious of his enlightenment -- I think that's legit -- but shadow issues. This is very common. Loose sexual activity tends to be extremely common in small spiritual communities. It's so common I don't even blink when I hear of it. I just expect it as a given.

If a woman is  going to sleep with Mooji, it's pretty obvious what the end result will be. It would be silly to assume he'd marry you and stay true to you given all the women who worship him. The problem is, when women worship him and then sleep with him, they only become even more attached to him and by that point they cannot help it. They will naturally get clingy, fall in love with him, but he's probably not gonna restrict who he sleeps with because at his level of consciousness it doesn't matter from his POV. And then this ends up emotionally hurting lots of women who fall in love with him because they want to make him go exclusive. It's every female worshiper's dream to be the one who gets Mooji all to herself.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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One solution is just to exclude women from your spiritual communities. No temptations, no problem. 


Light on Earth The power of love came into me,
and I became fierce like a lion,
then tender like the evening star.” - Rumi

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Or exclude men if the guru is male and gay, or exclude both men and women if the male guru is bisexual.

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@whoareyou I have been suspicious of Mooji from the very beginning. Not suspicious of his enlightenment -- I think that's legit -- but shadow issues. This is very common. Loose sexual activity tends to be extremely common in small spiritual communities. It's so common I don't even blink when I hear of it. I just expect it as a given.

If a woman is  going to sleep with Mooji, it's pretty obvious what the end result will be. It would be silly to assume he'd marry you and stay true to you given all the women who worship him. The problem is, when women worship him and then sleep with him, they only become even more attached to him and by that point they cannot help it. They will naturally get clingy, fall in love with him, but he's probably not gonna restrict who he sleeps with because at his level of consciousness it doesn't matter from his POV. And then this ends up emotionally hurting lots of women who fall in love with him because they want to make him go exclusive.

By "loose sexual activity", do you include prostitution and abuse of his power, for him to have sex? Do you understand what some of the sexual allegations are about? He tells some of the women that if they sleep with him, they would get their "awakening" quicker.  And sure enough, why would they question the enlightened master? 

Why are you not suspicious of his enlightenment? How can you know it's legit? Why do you question the reporting, but not his enlightenment? 

Didn't Jesus give warnings about false prophets and masters? The ones that you think are "enlightened", but it's just a devil that is hiding and abuses his power.

 

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4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

One solution is just to exclude women from your spiritual communities. No temptations, no problem. 

That would be very boring.

:P


The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Morpheus (The Matrix)

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