Q&A: Realization of God's Perfect Design and it's Consequences

[Shaun]

So, is everyone here god or is it just me that is god? As I have said many times, if it is just me and my little mind that calls itself Shaun then that is sad, fucked up and also not really infinite. Is it not more correct to say that all of us are just god perceiving itself? Like god falling asleep and dreaming each of us into an apparently separate existence and experiencing itself through each of our illusory egos?

[Paul92]

@Shaun  But they will tell you that there is no you. Just a mental fabrication that you think is you. I agree it is fucked up. Unbelievably fucked up. If God was infinite intelligence, why allow an ego?

[Shaun]

12 minutes ago, Paul92 said:

@Shaun  But they will tell you that there is no you. Just a mental fabrication that you think is you. I agree it is fucked up. Unbelievably fucked up. If God was infinite intelligence, why allow an ego?

I would say that the ego is a necessary way for god to experience itself as an apparently separate perspective but the way a lot of the people on here seem to describe it is that my ego is the only ego and all of you are just fake unconscious cardboard cutouts experiencing nothing. What a depressing world view to have. Do not buy into it or you will ruin your life to the point that you will not be able to even do your spiritual practice.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Shaun

[Highest]

36 minutes ago, Shaun said:

So, is everyone here god or is it just me that is god? As I have said many times, if it is just me and my little mind that calls itself Shaun then that is sad, fucked up and also not really infinite. Is it not more correct to say that all of us are just god perceiving itself? Like god falling asleep and dreaming each of us into an apparently separate existence and experiencing itself through each of our illusory egos?

Everyone and everything is God, not just you. It's not difficult to grasp if you realize it or become conscious of it. To put differently: There is just One which is All. But you can only become conscious of It and that it is You.

Regarding the ego, that's just an illusion. The ego is none but God but first you must see through it as the illusion it is. After that you will realize that the ego was God all along playing hide and seek for a good reason.

[Paul92]

@Shaun  I'm not sure that is what they are saying. I might be wrong, honestly, you probably know more than me. The way I see it is that everyone here is saying that the mind that whatever this bit of consciousness has (what you think of as you) has created an illusion of self that you identify with. Lose that sense of self, which is attainable through losing all your thoughts, and then you realise that we are all one consciousness just looking through different eyes. Which seems equally as grim to me currently. So basically, destroy yourself, and destroy your perceptions of others.

[Shaun]

7 minutes ago, Highest said:

Everyone and everything is God, not just you. It's not difficult to grasp if you realize it or become conscious of it. To put differently: There is just One which is All. But you can only become conscious of It and that it is You.

Regarding the ego, that's just an illusion. The ego is none but God but first you must see through it as the illusion it is. After that you will realize that the ego was God all along playing hide and seek for a good reason.

Thank you, now we are beginning to make some sense.

[Highest]

4 minutes ago, Shaun said:

Thank you, now we are beginning to make some sense.

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[Shaun]

14 minutes ago, Paul92 said:

@Shaun  I'm not sure that is what they are saying. I might be wrong, honestly, you probably know more than me. The way I see it is that everyone here is saying that the mind that whatever this bit of consciousness has (what you think of as you) has created an illusion of self that you identify with. Lose that sense of self, which is attainable through losing all your thoughts, and then you realise that we are all one consciousness just looking through different eyes. Which seems equally as grim to me currently. So basically, destroy yourself, and destroy your perceptions of others.

I really am not in a position to say much about it because my awakening only goes as far as deep, silent, thoughtless stillness. I have not really had any mind blowing insights but don't go down the road of solipsism. We are all in this together so please don't feel alone. You are right, the old world view of separate selves made out of matter was utterly magical and life was truly precious but at the same time tragic because you only had one shot at it. Now, as I see it, reality is an infinite endless treadmill of joy and suffering and full enlightenment is the only escape.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Shaun

[Paul92]

@Shaun I'd agree, only I don't see any joy in not being able to celebrate individuality or make something else feel loved. Why have love within us to only share it with yourself? Seems a bit selfish.

[traveler]

1 hour ago, Paul92 said:

@Shaun  I'm not sure that is what they are saying. I might be wrong, honestly, you probably know more than me. The way I see it is that everyone here is saying that the mind that whatever this bit of consciousness has (what you think of as you) has created an illusion of self that you identify with. Lose that sense of self, which is attainable through losing all your thoughts, and then you realise that we are all one consciousness just looking through different eyes. Which seems equally as grim to me currently. So basically, destroy yourself, and destroy your perceptions of others.

I had the exact same thoughts and concerns as you have, before I had a really profound and authentic awakening experience. For the ego the idea that everything is one can be very grim or very beautiful, depending on how you look at it. But it can never be grasped by the thinking mind. A lot of what Leo says in his video is the same information I received through my own experience. You the ego who has these mind based ideas and fears about enlightenment is not the one who wakes up. The character in the dream can't wake up, as he is a part of it. The absolute beauty of life, can not be appreciated through unawakened eyes. I'm not saying that I'm enlightened or an awakened being. I'm not. The ego is very much still there. You don't see it and then spend the rest of your life blissed out. A lot of integration has to be done after, in almost every case, I believe. But when the seeing goes deep enough, you can not unsee it or forget it. The interpretations of what you saw will always be wrong to an extend though, when taking over by the mind.

[MM1988]

When we say the design is perfect do we mean the principles of how creation works are perfectly designed and then just "set in motion", or did god design every moment across  what we call time? @Leo Gura

[now is forever]

@MM1988 god designs every moment indefinitely the indefinite moment. catch it or it’s gone, hold on it will be over soon.

Edited April 5, 2019 by now is forever

[Leo Gura]

Guys, you must do the work and have your own insights. My answers cannot help you.

Take the things I say as loose orienting pointers.

This is very advanced and tricky stuff. You will have to go through a lot of struggle to ultimately understand it.

Self-deception is always possible. You must always be open to that possibility.

But there is Absolute Truth. You must discover that for yourselves. I have discovered it for myself and that's all that ultimately matters to me.

To doubt the Absolute is itself a self-deception.

[Brenzo2]

On 03/04/2019 at 4:09 PM, Shaun said:

So, is everyone here god or is it just me that is god? As I have said many times, if it is just me and my little mind that calls itself Shaun then that is sad, fucked up and also not really infinite. Is it not more correct to say that all of us are just god perceiving itself? Like god falling asleep and dreaming each of us into an apparently separate existence and experiencing itself through each of our illusory egos?

That's all conceptualising, you'd be much more successful in reaching a direct understanding by leaving your expectations and beliefs at the doorstep then leaving out the backdoor. 

[Leo Gura]

On 4/3/2019 at 8:09 AM, Shaun said:

So, is everyone here god or is it just me that is god?

There is no difference between you and everyone else. That's the rub.

[now is forever]

if it requires pants then

nah!

[mandyjw]

@Leo Gura What to you do if are in submission of the highs? How do you go about practical life when you aren't choosing to have them? 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

@Leo Gura What to you do if are in submission of the highs? How do you go about practical life when you aren't choosing to have them? 

Submission of the highs? I don't know what that means.

[now is forever]

@mandyjw are you talking about creative highs? or emotional highs? or drug highs? or beautiful moments?

with submission, do you mean surrendering to whatever a high means?

so you see submission to it as some kind of compulsion?

are you asking how to handle practical life, when it’s boring/monotone?

Edited April 6, 2019 by now is forever

[mandyjw]

@Leo Gura @now is forever Lucid dreaming, I believe is the best description, maybe visions, waking up with intense energy and knowing things I didn't know. My sister said it may not continue every night. I think it may settle in. I'm doing better today, spent a lot of time in nature. My everyday life and self care is a mess.