Jordan Peterson on Moral Law

[Outer]

7 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

As well, how might normalizing nonbinary pronouns help bring awareness to the irrationality of traditional gender roles and cis-genered l privilege?

What's a traditional gender role?

What is cis-genered l privilege?

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Outer said:

What's a traditional gender role?

What is cis-genered l privilege?

Great questions for you to contemplate! These are the types of contemplations that can help a Blue/Orange person expand their awareness into Green.

[Outer]

6 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Imagine being a nonbinary person. How might this person answer your question?

So a nonbinary person isn't trans female or male? I don't know.

2 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Great questions for you to contemplate! These are the type of contemplations that can help a person expand their awareness.

You said they are irrational, but I don't know what you fully mean.

Edited November 17, 2018 by Outer

[Forestluv]

24 minutes ago, Outer said:

So a nonbinary person isn't trans female or male? I don't know.

You said they are irrational, but I don't know what you fully mean.

A nonbinary person does not limit their identification to either male or female gender constructs. I find it fascinating to contemplate and I’m so curious how  novel nonbinary identities might emerge.

Part of the Orange to Green transition is to see how adherence to traditional male / female roles and bias toward a cis-gendered orientation is irrational. 

Green is centered more on relative experience and being. Orange is centered on rational thought, yet is unable to see how their own thoughts are irrational from a Green perspective. 

[Joel3102]

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jbporcleric?lang=en

The above Twitter page is so illustrative and hilarious. Quotes about gender by Islamic fundamentalist or JBP!?

[Outer]

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Part of the Orange to Green transition is to see how adherence to traditional male / female roles and bias toward a cis-gendered orientation is irrational. 

Yes, but it's one thing to say something is irrational it's another thing to explain why. So privilege is bias?

 

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Green is centered more on relative experience and being. Orange is centered on rational thought, yet is unable to see how their own thoughts are irrational from a Green perspective. 

What is relative experience?

[Forestluv]

37 minutes ago, Outer said:

Yes, but it's one thing to say something is irrational it's another thing to explain why. So privilege is bias?

I don’t get the sense your questions arise in a mind that is genuine, open and explorative. I sense a hidden ideological agenda.

The exploring mind has the responsibility to find truth via self inquiry, contemplation, research and observation. Be aware if your mind tries to shift that responsibility to others. For example, seeking to have someone else convince you or prove to you a point. Also, a desire to protect a belief and “win” a point. These are common ego traps that constrict a mind.

[Outer]

11 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I don’t get the sense your questions arise in a mind that is genuine, open and explorative. I sense a hidden ideological agenda.

The exploring mind has the responsibility to find truth via self inquiry, contemplation, research and observation. Be aware if your mind tries to shift that responsibility to others. It is a common ego trap.

I don't understand how self-inquiry is relevant to this.

I'm not awake.

[Jack River]

25 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I don’t get the sense your questions arise in a mind that is genuine, open and explorative. I sense a hidden ideological agenda.

The exploring mind has the responsibility to find truth via self inquiry, contemplation, research and observation. Be aware if your mind tries to shift that responsibility to others. For example, seeking to have someone else convince you or prove to you a point. Also, a desire to protect a belief and “win” a point. These are common ego traps that constrict a mind.

 

8 minutes ago, Outer said:

I don't understand how self-inquiry is relevant to this.

I'm not awake.

By puting awareness on thoughts inherent tendency to self persevere.

Thought will try and defend its perspective as though the self was being attacked directly. 

The self is it’s content(accumulated knowledge/experience). If the content is opposed as being false, incorrect, untrue, the self takes that as a direct threat as the self identifies directly with its own content. The self is it’s opinions/agenda. 

Awareness of that brings about a rational line of investigation. 

Edited November 18, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Outer said:

I don't understand how self-inquiry is relevant to this.

I'm not awake.

From my POV it is relative because you seem to have resistance toward what people in this thread are trying to reveal to you. To expand your mind, queston your own assumptions and beliefs. Question how your own relative experience has shaped and biased these beliefs. Question whether there is attachment and identification with these beliefs.

Leo covered much of this in his recent 65 principles for a good life video.

[Forestluv]

@Jack River Well said!

[kieranperez]

I’m in the Haight Ashbury right now and I can only imagine the amount of posturing and elitism JP would have here 

“All you hippies and your relativism!”

Edited November 18, 2018 by kieranperez

[Jack River]

@Serotoninluv you too! 

[Jack River]

17 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Question how your own relative experience has shaped and biased these beliefs. Question whether there is attachment and identification with these beliefs.

I have noticed this as well dude. 

If there is attachment/identification which is resistance, there will be a clinging and projecting of what we already know. We gain a sense of psychological security in our own bias(train of thought) like a belief/idea. 

Probably the biggest barrier to communication. 

Edited November 18, 2018 by Jack River

[Forestluv]

20 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

I’m in the Haight Ashbury right now and I can only imagine the amount of posturing and elitism JP would have here 

“All you hippies and your relativism!”

I’m imagining JP at the acid test parties in Haight Ashbury with the Grateful Dead, Timothy Leary and love-fest hippies. 

And imagine JP at Burning Man. . . 

[lmfao]

This women in the workplace thing is interesting to read what you people are saying. There are few topics more confusing than sexuality to navigate. The whole topic is surrounded by absurdly large amounts of shame and prejudice.

Most people in the world have been raised in stage blue households and in fundamentalist religion and it's no secret that sexuality is not learnt how to be healthily expressed from those environments. I come from a Muslim family, and 90% of Muslims in their upbringing have probably had the specific Quran verse asking men to "lower their gaze" (when seeing a woman they are not married to) quoted and drilled into them. I know I did and so did other Muslims I know. I was discouraged from even having female friends. You've been taught to objectify women and see them as sex objects. For most Christians this issue isn't as bad but it's still there. I never learnt to socialise with the opposite gender and so I'm fucked. I can socialise it's just that it feels even more unnatural and clunky than usual. The best tactic I have when talking to a girl is to just pretend that I'm talking to a guy and it works. 

Edited November 18, 2018 by lmfao

[Emerald]

6 hours ago, Outer said:

What?

You missed the part they cut out where he said "I'm not saying you shouldn't wear make-up". "I'm saying we don't know what the rules are.". Can people be manipulated? What's Vice's reasoning for cutting that out? Literally cut right before he says that.

7:43 and forward.

I mentioned this to you before about Jordan Peterson. He brings up a regressive point of view like he's simply musing about it, as an open-minded intellectual playing devil's advocate. But he's already knows how his audience will receive those "musings". He knows that his audience will make the connections he wants them to... which is that women are to blame for harassment in the workplace because they wear make-up and are asking for it. 

That's his whole game. He never commits to any of those viewpoints. But he turns his followers on to them, so they can do whatever they want to do with them... which JP knows exactly what that is. 

This is the lion's share of his manipulation game.

[Outer]

18 minutes ago, Emerald said:

He knows that his audience will make the connections he wants them to... which is that women are to blame for harassment in the workplace because they wear make-up and are asking for it. 

You actually believe this?

[Angelite]

@lmfao That's what happened when chivalry is no longer practiced~~

[Forestluv]

@Emerald I imagine all his notoriety, book sales, speaking gigs and adoration is reinforcing his ideology, which makes it harder to wake up.