Posted March 19, 2019 @winterknight Quote No, not exactly. By suggestibility I actually meant something more like hypnotic suggestibility. This is not anything like gullibility. It means the ability of some people to (unconsciously) deeply change the way their brain functions based on an idea (suggestion). For example, a highly hypnotically suggestible person could be told -- under hypnosis (though meditation may resemble hypnosis in some ways!) -- that a rose looked green, and the visual cortex of their brains would be seen literally reacting as if the flower placed in front of them was green. I see what you mean. Something like how a method actor operates. Well i dunno. I've never tried to actively do that so i'm clueless. Quote Well, who is judging the self of inquiry to be confusing and shapeless while the self of surrender is merging? These are mental judgments. Who is there to make them? Like i said, these judgments are being made after fact as someone who has purposefully decided to take a 4th-dimensional outlook and explain them after the fact. Somewhat like how you can say "I'm enlightened, ask me anything". It's playful at best. Just mean to say that as far as methods meant to clear away resistance for "enlightenment", one has subjectively been more effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Are you conscious that the Self is God and all there is? Edited March 19, 2019 by Highest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Quote Like i said, these judgments are being made after fact as someone who has purposefully decided to take a 4th-dimensional outlook and explain them after the fact. Somewhat like how you can say "I'm enlightened, ask me anything". It's playful at best. Just mean to say that as far as methods meant to clear away resistance for "enlightenment", one has subjectively been more effective. Got it. Well, I was mentioning it in the context of the fear thing you brought up. I said: inquire into who is worried about this fear thing, not in that moment necessarily, but now. And you said you would. But then you made this comment about self-inquiry leading to a shapeless void, which I thought might indicate a hesitation about such inquiry. Actually self-inquiry & surrender are two sides of a coin. Who is surrendering, after all? That's the question surrender necessarily leads to. Edited March 19, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Highest said: Are conscious that the Self is God and all there is? Am I conscious of that? The "I" is precisely what cannot be conscious of that. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 @winterknight Quote Actually self-inquiry & surrender are two sides of a coin. Who is surrendering, after all? That's the question surrender necessarily leads to. Ah i see. I understand why inquiry failed "me" and why surrender is... well surrender. Btw I want to mention that my issue is not fear or aversion of experiencing fear. It's how to allow fear to express itself at the moment of its manifestation without the body being overwhelmed by it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Ah i see. I understand why inquiry failed "me" and why surrender is... well surrender. Btw I want to mention that my issue is not fear or aversion of experiencing fear. It's how to allow fear to express itself at the moment of its manifestation without the body being overwhelmed by it. But my reply to that is: to whom is this how question occurring? All "how" questions are rooted in the idea that there is a doer & decider... someone who is dealing with this question, for example, of "how to allow fear to express itself..." That's why my reply to it is to look more deeply into the one who is concerned. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, winterknight said: True, the ''I'' cannot be conscious of It. What do you think about the ego? An illusion or the Self too, or? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 @winterknight Isn't the truth of enlightenment that "there has never been any ignorance in the first place"? Is God incapable of intention? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Highest said: True, the ''I'' cannot be conscious of It. What do you think about the ego? An illusion or the Self too, or? Really, it simply cannot be described in words. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, winterknight said: Really, it simply cannot be described in words. I see ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Isn't the truth of enlightenment that "there has never been any ignorance in the first place"? Is God incapable of intention? The very word "intention" is a concept; but reality is beyond concepts. God does not act via our mental ideas of intention; nor for that matter does God "act" using our human category of action. So how does God work? Well, the human mind can't figure it out, ever. And when the mind is turned firmly towards calmness, there is no one to ask the question. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 @winterknight Well. This issue won't come to a proper conclusion considering I'm trying to convey post-rational experiences in words. I'll share a few lines regardless just for the sake of it. All of this are broken representations of experiencing the Self, from the 4th dimensional perspective adopted for the reason. 1. There seems to be intention and purpose behind God's activities. 2. The mechanics of these activities are illogical. 3. There seems to be several different dimensions of existence overlapping on one another. One could choose to experience life at these levels which are drastically different (everything about them is different. Qualities of perception and their objects are different). 4. There seems to exist, and innate ability, to change the outcome of life in the 4th dimension through intention. By simply intending something to happen, the universe will bend to God's will. 5. The different dimensions of consciousness are apparently inhabited by "beings". These beings are all manifestations of God in the same sens that human beings are. But are drastically different in every other aspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 Usually i use your inquiry and lnow that there is in the end only pure awarness that is not personal or there is no "I" "me" "you" etc. it takes me a while to come to that place but it makes "me" peacefull.. But there is this simple surrender like approach Papaji recommends My question is how can i just stop thinking, throw out "I" on command any practical way to do that surrender or this video is Fake? Thank you for your time and help ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Well. This issue won't come to a proper conclusion considering I'm trying to convey post-rational experiences in words. I'll share a few lines regardless just for the sake of it. All of this are broken representations of experiencing the Self, from the 4th dimensional perspective adopted for the reason. 1. There seems to be intention and purpose behind God's activities. 2. The mechanics of these activities are illogical. 3. There seems to be several different dimensions of existence overlapping on one another. One could choose to experience life at these levels which are drastically different (everything about them is different. Qualities of perception and their objects are different). 4. There seems to exist, and innate ability, to change the outcome of life in the 4th dimension through intention. By simply intending something to happen, the universe will bend to God's will. 5. The different dimensions of consciousness are apparently inhabited by "beings". These beings are all manifestations of God in the same sens that human beings are. But are drastically different in every other aspect. Interesting. Well, these are cool ideas. I don't disagree with any of them per se, but they are all in the realm of relative rather than ultimate truth. 32 minutes ago, SriBhagwanYogi said: My question is how can i just stop thinking, throw out "I" on command any practical way to do that surrender or this video is Fake? Thank you for your time and help ??? I don't really comment on videos. The important question, though is: Who is it that wants to do this? Is it you? Until you look deeply yourself into this point, you won't get a resolution. Does the "pure awareness" want this? So the method is: inquire, inquire, inquire. For as long as it takes. Edited March 19, 2019 by winterknight Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 20, 2019 Do enlightened people have dreams while sleeping? If they do, are they different from regular layman dreams? Do you identify as the dreamer, as the dream itself, or something completely different? Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 20, 2019 @winterknight Quote But my reply to that is: to whom is this how question occurring? All "how" questions are rooted in the idea that there is a doer & decider... someone who is dealing with this question, for example, of "how to allow fear to express itself..." That's why my reply to it is to look more deeply into the one who is concerned. Well "I" (wink wink) went ahead and followed that advice and got over the fear. Thanks for the help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 20, 2019 10 hours ago, FredFred said: Do enlightened people have dreams while sleeping? If they do, are they different from regular layman dreams? Do you identify as the dreamer, as the dream itself, or something completely different? Thanks! I don't really much answer questions about the enlightened experience because the answers are always misleading... best to get there and find out yourself. Why do you ask? 7 hours ago, FoxFoxFox said: @winterknight Well "I" (wink wink) went ahead and followed that advice and got over the fear. Thanks for the help. Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 20, 2019 @winterknight I was simply curious, but I understand why you don't want to answer. I also think it's best to find the answer by myself. Have a nice day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 21, 2019 Is it true that monks fly slowly up in the air when they reach enlightenment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted March 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Andreas said: Is it true that monks fly slowly up in the air when they reach enlightenment? Not to my knowledge Website/book/one-on-one spiritual guidance: Sifting to the Truth: A New Map to the Self Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
